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* extra offsets
@ 2009-03-03 21:30 Hans Hagen
  2009-03-03 22:53 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2009-03-03 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,

concerning the offsets in framed ..

- we cannot use leftoffset etc as name because these are already used in 
  mechanisms that build on top of framed and it would add quite some 
extra code (and probably bugs) to those mechanisms

- adding additional rulethickness variants is non trivial since the 
rulethickness is also used elsewhere (rounded corners etc) and the code 
would become rather messy; also, we can use mp for special frames (after 
all, extra thickness makes no sense without extra colors)

so, as an experiment i added support for extra offsets but these work 
*on top* of the existing offset; they have names like loffset, roffset, 
toffset and boffset; the speed penalty is neglectable

(only mkiv because it has a more clever inheritance model for derived 
framed mechanisms)

Hans

ps. for quite a long time there is a command \offset which takes 
leftoffset cum suis plus some more


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* Re: extra offsets
  2009-03-03 21:30 extra offsets Hans Hagen
@ 2009-03-03 22:53 ` Wolfgang Schuster
  2009-03-04  8:06   ` Hans Hagen
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-03-03 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 03.03.2009 um 22:30 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> Hi,
>
> concerning the offsets in framed ..
>
> - we cannot use leftoffset etc as name because these are already  
> used in  mechanisms that build on top of framed and it would add  
> quite some extra code (and probably bugs) to those mechanisms
>
> - adding additional rulethickness variants is non trivial since the  
> rulethickness is also used elsewhere (rounded corners etc) and the  
> code would become rather messy; also, we can use mp for special  
> frames (after all, extra thickness makes no sense without extra  
> colors)
>
> so, as an experiment i added support for extra offsets but these  
> work *on top* of the existing offset; they have names like loffset,  
> roffset, toffset and boffset; the speed penalty is neglectable
>
> (only mkiv because it has a more clever inheritance model for  
> derived framed mechanisms)
>
> Hans

Thank you very much for now finally adding this, it's a big improvement
for natural tables and allows us to do some fancy things.

Wolfgang

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* Re: extra offsets
  2009-03-03 22:53 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2009-03-04  8:06   ` Hans Hagen
  2009-03-04  8:55     ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2009-03-04  8:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> 
> Am 03.03.2009 um 22:30 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> concerning the offsets in framed ..
>>
>> - we cannot use leftoffset etc as name because these are already used 
>> in  mechanisms that build on top of framed and it would add quite some 
>> extra code (and probably bugs) to those mechanisms
>>
>> - adding additional rulethickness variants is non trivial since the 
>> rulethickness is also used elsewhere (rounded corners etc) and the 
>> code would become rather messy; also, we can use mp for special frames 
>> (after all, extra thickness makes no sense without extra colors)
>>
>> so, as an experiment i added support for extra offsets but these work 
>> *on top* of the existing offset; they have names like loffset, 
>> roffset, toffset and boffset; the speed penalty is neglectable
>>
>> (only mkiv because it has a more clever inheritance model for derived 
>> framed mechanisms)
>>
>> Hans
> 
> Thank you very much for now finally adding this, it's a big improvement
> for natural tables and allows us to do some fancy things.

keep in mind that you can use the offsets combined, so

toffset=2cm,loffset=1cm,offset=1cm

Hans


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* Re: extra offsets
  2009-03-04  8:06   ` Hans Hagen
@ 2009-03-04  8:55     ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-03-04  8:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 04.03.2009 um 09:06 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> keep in mind that you can use the offsets combined, so
>
> toffset=2cm,loffset=1cm,offset=1cm

I noticed this, it requires a few more settings than my code  
(offset=0pt,...)
but it gives us more possibilities and prevents a few problems.

\setupTABLE                
[frame 
= 
off,topframe=on,bottomframe=on,offset=0pt,toffset=0.25ex,boffset=0.25ex]
\setupTABLE[column]       [loffset=1em,roffset=1em]
\setupTABLE[column][first][loffset=0em,roffset=1em]
\setupTABLE[column][last] [loffset=1em,roffset=0em]

\starttext

\bTABLE
   \bTR
     \bTH Knuth \eTH
     \bTH Zapf  \eTH
     \bTH Tufte \eTH
   \eTR
   \bTR
     \bTD \input knuth \eTD
     \bTD \input zapf  \eTD
     \bTD \input tufte \eTD
   \eTR
\eTABLE

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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