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* footnotes: is this a bug?
@ 2011-07-22  6:03 Thomas A. Schmitz
  2011-07-22 10:53 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2011-07-22  6:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi all,

this is something that has made me wonder: am I doing something wrong 
here, or is this a bug with footnote placement? Run the attached 
example, look at the last 2 pages, 5 and 6. On p. 5, the footnotes run 
off the page area. On p. 6, why is there so much space between text area 
and footnote area. The reason for this somewhat exotic set-up: our 
publisher wanted the footnotes of the last page of every chapter to 
start right after the text, not at the bottom of the page. In the end, I 
told them I couldn't do it, and they were fine with it. But I still 
think it should be possible; I've looked into a number of books, and it 
seems a common layout in the humanities. Maybe someone has a bright 
idea? (Wolfgang, you answered to this problem 2 weeks ago and suggested 
having "aftersection={\setupnote[footnote][location=high]}" in 
\setuphead, but this triggers the same problems). So maybe a bug?

All best

Thomas

\showframe

\starttext

\dorecurse{21}{Imagine trying to live in a world dominated by dihydrogen 
oxide, a compound that has no taste or smell and is so viable in its 
properties that it is generally benign but at other times swiftly 
lethal.  Depending on its state, it can scald you or freeze you. In the 
presence of certain organic molecules it can form carbonic acids so 
nasty that they can strip the leaves from trees and eat the faces off 
statuary.  In bulk, when agitated, it can strike with a fury that no 
human edifice could withstand. Even for those who have learned to live 
with it, it is often murderous substance.\footnote{In bulk, when 
agitated, it can strike with a fury that no human edifice could 
withstand. Even for those who have learned to live with it, it is often 
murderous substance. We call it water. We call it water.  We call it 
water.}}

\setupnote[footnote][location=high]Imagine trying to live in a world 
dominated by dihydrogen oxide, a compound that has no taste or smell and 
is so viable in its properties that it is generally benign but at other 
times swiftly lethal.  Depending on its state, it can scald you or 
freeze you. In the presence of certain organic molecules it can form 
carbonic acids so nasty that they can strip the leaves from trees and 
eat the faces off statuary.  In bulk, when agitated, it can strike with 
a fury that no human edifice could withstand. Even for those who have 
learned to live with it, it is often murderous substance.\footnote{In 
bulk, when agitated, it can strike with a fury that no human edifice 
could withstand. Even for those who have learned to live with it, it is 
often murderous substance. We call it water. We call it water.  We call 
it water.}

\stoptext
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* Re: footnotes: is this a bug?
  2011-07-22  6:03 footnotes: is this a bug? Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2011-07-22 10:53 ` Hans Hagen
  2011-07-22 12:54   ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-07-22 10:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 22-7-2011 8:03, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

> \setuphead, but this triggers the same problems). So maybe a bug?

yes, a side effect of having multiple note instances and not having 
adapted the pagebuilder yet

Hans

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* Re: footnotes: is this a bug?
  2011-07-22 10:53 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-07-22 12:54   ` Thomas A. Schmitz
  2011-07-22 14:45     ` Hans Hagen
  2011-07-22 15:33     ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2011-07-22 12:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On 07/22/2011 12:53 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 22-7-2011 8:03, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
>> \setuphead, but this triggers the same problems). So maybe a bug?
>
> yes, a side effect of having multiple note instances and not having
> adapted the pagebuilder yet

So, any ETA for a fix yet :-)

Thomas
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* Re: footnotes: is this a bug?
  2011-07-22 12:54   ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2011-07-22 14:45     ` Hans Hagen
  2011-07-22 15:33     ` Hans Hagen
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-07-22 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Thomas A. Schmitz

On 22-7-2011 2:54, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On 07/22/2011 12:53 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 22-7-2011 8:03, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>>
>>> \setuphead, but this triggers the same problems). So maybe a bug?
>>
>> yes, a side effect of having multiple note instances and not having
>> adapted the pagebuilder yet
>
> So, any ETA for a fix yet :-)

soon,

Hans


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* Re: footnotes: is this a bug?
  2011-07-22 12:54   ` Thomas A. Schmitz
  2011-07-22 14:45     ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-07-22 15:33     ` Hans Hagen
  2011-07-22 16:45       ` Thomas A. Schmitz
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-07-22 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Thomas A. Schmitz

On 22-7-2011 2:54, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On 07/22/2011 12:53 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 22-7-2011 8:03, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>>
>>> \setuphead, but this triggers the same problems). So maybe a bug?
>>
>> yes, a side effect of having multiple note instances and not having
>> adapted the pagebuilder yet
>
> So, any ETA for a fix yet :-)

beta uploaded

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* Re: footnotes: is this a bug?
  2011-07-22 15:33     ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-07-22 16:45       ` Thomas A. Schmitz
  2011-07-22 17:05         ` Wolfgang Schuster
  2011-07-22 17:21         ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2011-07-22 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 07/22/2011 05:33 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>> So maybe a bug?
>>>
>>> yes, a side effect of having multiple note instances and not having
>>> adapted the pagebuilder yet
>>
>> So, any ETA for a fix yet :-)
>
> beta uploaded

Hans,

thanks, this looks a lot better! Nevertheless, one more question: with 
the example I sent, the "high" setting for footnotes always begins on 
the page preceding the paragraph where the 
\setupnote[footnote][location=high] is put into the text. Is there a 
rule which governs this behavior? Or: haw can I make sure it is indeed 
applied to one page only?

Thanks, and best wishes

Thomas
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* Re: footnotes: is this a bug?
  2011-07-22 16:45       ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2011-07-22 17:05         ` Wolfgang Schuster
  2011-07-22 17:21         ` Hans Hagen
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Am 22.07.2011 um 18:45 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz:

> thanks, this looks a lot better! Nevertheless, one more question: with the example I sent, the "high" setting for footnotes always begins on the page preceding the paragraph where the \setupnote[footnote][location=high] is put into the text. Is there a rule which governs this behavior? 

TeX was still collecting material for page 5 when you set “high” for your footnotes.

Wolfgang

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* Re: footnotes: is this a bug?
  2011-07-22 16:45       ` Thomas A. Schmitz
  2011-07-22 17:05         ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2011-07-22 17:21         ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-07-22 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Thomas A. Schmitz

On 22-7-2011 6:45, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On 07/22/2011 05:33 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>>> So maybe a bug?
>>>>
>>>> yes, a side effect of having multiple note instances and not having
>>>> adapted the pagebuilder yet
>>>
>>> So, any ETA for a fix yet :-)
>>
>> beta uploaded
>
> Hans,
>
> thanks, this looks a lot better! Nevertheless, one more question: with
> the example I sent, the "high" setting for footnotes always begins on
> the page preceding the paragraph where the
> \setupnote[footnote][location=high] is put into the text. Is there a
> rule which governs this behavior? Or: haw can I make sure it is indeed
> applied to one page only?

currently not, so best put it at the end of the chapter and then do a \page



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