From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/70693 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Tracking in MKII and MKIV Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4E4A28F1.9010006@wxs.nl> References: <6E564668-96CA-4116-8B8C-394E3EE7E1BA@synterein.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1313483038 14364 80.91.229.12 (16 Aug 2011 08:23:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 08:23:58 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Aug 16 10:23:53 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtEwA-0007LZ-Hd for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931A9CAEEF; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xmsVryN9YUen; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D692CAEEC; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07242CAEEC for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id l5JDRsRb-2xq for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter5-til.mf.surf.net (filter5-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.221]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF1CCAEE4 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter5-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p7G8NS3w017097 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:28 +0200 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.100; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 5.2a) with ESMTP id 779-1713362 for multiple; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 In-Reply-To: <6E564668-96CA-4116-8B8C-394E3EE7E1BA@synterein.com> X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=11; city=Den Haag; latitude=52.0833; longitude=4.3000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.0833,4.3000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0xFkUnsiz - 7575d0c8b32b - 20110816 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.221 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:70693 Archived-At: On 16-8-2011 2:22, Raymond LeClair wrote: > The graphic designer tells me it is very common to specify the interletter spacing, or tracking, and in fact, he considers this capability to be essential. intercharacter spacing is ok for titling but for running text ... maybe common but not that good (after all it spoils the font design) > I understand that these, so called, microtypography capabilities are present in pdfTeX fully, but only partially present in LuaTeX (protrusion and expansion), although tracking can be set in a way using \kerncharacters[0.5] in LuaTeX. pdftex has some inter character kerning features but they are considered to be experimental and in context they are supported (see hand-ini.mkii) but I must admit that I never used it and have forgotten how to enable it > However, the quality of the typesetting produced by LuaTeX is completely inadequate, while the quality of the typesetting produced by pdfTeX is very good. nu clue (yet) but i might as well remove the old mechanism from mkiv as we have better ways > Am I miss-understanding the differences in capability between pdfTeX and LuaTeX in this regard? yes, see example below (somewhat changed so you might want to wikify it as example (it will confuse mojca's number of hits filters as 'twitter' and 'ladygaga' might lead to false google lookups). \definepapersize[LG1][width=9.24in,height=6.87in] \definepapersize[LP1][width=9.49in,height=7.12in] \setuppapersize[LG1][LP1] \setuplayout[location=middle,marking=off] \definefont[LabelFont][Serif sa 0.583] \definecharacterkerning [mykerning] [factor=.5] \startbuffer THIS BOOK CONTAINS 988 TWEETS POSTED TO TWITTER BY LADYGAGA FROM MARCH 27, 2008 TO AUGUST 5, 2011. IT WAS PUBLISHED ON DEMAND ON AUGUST 14, 2011 \stopbuffer \startsetups covertext \framed [ width=2.38888888889in, align=normal, frame=off, offset=0pt, foregroundstyle=\LabelFont ] { \baselineskip10.5pt \setcharacterkerning[mykerning] \getbuffer \par } \stopsetups \startuniqueMPgraphic{cover} StartPage ; left_margin := 0.347222222222in ; top_margin := 0.347222222222in ; draw textext.lrt("\setups[covertext]") shifted ulcorner Page shifted (left_margin,-top_margin) ; StopPage ; \stopuniqueMPgraphic \defineoverlay[cover][\uniqueMPgraphic{cover}] \definelayer [page] [width=\paperwidth, height=\paperheight] \showframe \starttext % variant one: \setupbackgrounds [paper] [background={cover}] \startstandardmakeup\stopstandardmakeup \page \setupbackgrounds [paper] [background=] % variant two: \setlayer [page] [preset=lefttop, offset=0.347222222222in] {\setups[covertext]} \setuplayout [page] \tightlayer[page] \page \setuplayout \stoptext Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________