From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/70754 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_M=FCller?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Some APA- and language related bibliography problems Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:24:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4E4D0497.2030302@gmx.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040608090508010306020103" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1313670381 8224 80.91.229.12 (18 Aug 2011 12:26:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:26:21 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Aug 18 14:26:15 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qu1fp-000868-3D for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:26:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F7CCAEFA; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:26:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id frqClsfBS6GI; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:26:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15ADACAEFF; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:26:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBD7CAEFF for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:26:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3bZio10rlQ6j for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:25:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter2-til.mf.surf.net (filter2-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.218]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225A5CAEFA for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:25:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by filter2-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with SMTP id p7ICPtXm025058 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:25:55 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Aug 2011 12:25:54 -0000 Original-Received: from 77-64-130-166.dynamic.primacom.net (EHLO [192.168.100.108]) [77.64.130.166] by mail.gmx.net (mp060) with SMTP; 18 Aug 2011 14:25:54 +0200 X-Authenticated: #11064435 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+M9fwqWciM7f8rHmt2J0syPAjkpD+/7FLzsbYaA4 ScsNB+aXaCbMYM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.165.64.22; country=DE; latitude=51.0000; longitude=9.0000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=51.0000,9.0000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0bFlMpTUu - 9827a520a279 - 20110818 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.218 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:70754 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040608090508010306020103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi list, I have some problems with a bibliography. Please consider the following=20 example \mainlanguage[de] \setupbibtex[database=3D{mysample}] \setuppublications[alternative=3Dapa] \starttext Ein Zitat \cite[HagenHoekwater2011]. Noch ein Zitat \cite[SchrammKopiez2009]. \placepublications[criterium=3Dtext] \stoptext which results in "Ein Zitat (Hagen and Hoekwater, 2011). Noch ein Zitat (Schramm and=20 Kopiez, 2009). Hagen, H. and Hoekwater, T. (2011). Fonts in ConTEXt. Boekplan, NL. Schramm, H. and Kopiez, R. (2009). Die allt=E4gliche nutzung von musik. I= n=20 Bruhn, H., Kopiez, R. and Lehmann, A. C., editors, Musikpsychologie. Das=20 neue Handbuch, pages 253-265. Reinbek bei Hamburg: Rowohlt Taschenbuch=20 Verlag." There are some language specific issues here. (1) There is written "and" in the two references between the author's=20 and between the editor's names, despite the fact that I changed the=20 mainlanguage to German. I learned that I can change this to e.g. "und" w= ith \setuppublicationlist[lastnamesep=3D{\ und \ }, firstnamesep=3D{\ und = \ }] but is the current mechanism for translation able to automate the=20 translation here too? Please note that I'm fine with the above=20 solution, I'm just curious. [Similar issue with "andtext" in \setupcite] (2) Similar to the above: How can I change the other inserted=20 words/text, the APA manual [a] requires something different here: "(Eds.)" or "(Hrsg.)" (without the comma, latter German) instead of=20 ", editors" "pp." or "S." (German) instead of "pages" Do I have to modify ConTeXt bib style files here? I would very much=20 refrain from that... Those inserted words/texts are in general not used=20 in German. IIRC these were hardcoded in English inside the style files,=20 is this still the case? (3) There was already a thread about this [b]. The current mechanism=20 messes with the capitalization of the titles "Die allt=E4gliche Nutzung=20 von Musik". In English, this is mostly an aesthetic concern, in German=20 and other languages this is definitely a bug and makes the reference=20 list unusable. Maybe I missed something here: Is it possible to change this without=20 modifying the ConTeXt core files? If not I request that the function=20 Thomas pointed out in [b] is removed. If I want uncapitalized titles I=20 can just use them uncapitalized in th bib or bbl file. IIRC putting the complete title in extra {}'s in the bib would solve=20 this but is considered very very bad. (4) In the APA-style, the entries in the reference list are supposed to=20 be double-spaced [c]. How can I achieve this? The command=20 \setupinterlinespace[big] inside \start...\stoptext does the job for the=20 normal text, but not for the referencelist. [a] APA Publication manual, 6th edition, 2010. Page 202, section 7.02=20 "Books, Reference Books, and Book Chapters". [b] http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2011/059359.html [c] APA Publication manual, 6th edition, 2010. Page 37, section 2.11=20 "References". I strongly hope that I can get answers to all of my points above, and=20 any hints and suggestions are appreciated. Unfortunately I'm very unfamiliar with ConTeXt's mechanisms concerning=20 the reference list and I don't know where and how to fix these issues,=20 otherwise I would try to post patches instead... 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