* minimals
@ 2011-08-18 15:40 Hans Hagen
2011-08-18 15:58 ` standalone (was: minimals) Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-08-18 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
I uploaded a new beta but please don't update the minimals as it looks
like the texmf-context/tex tree gets lost on the server
Hans
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@ 2014-03-01 12:42 hwitloc
2014-03-02 0:06 ` Standalone Hans Hagen
2014-05-03 11:35 ` Standalone Mojca Miklavec
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From: hwitloc @ 2014-03-01 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On my system I already have Cygwin. I want to install the standalone Context.
Which involves basically:
mkdir -o /opt/context
cd /opt/context
wget "http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/first-setup.sh
chmod 744 first-setup.sh
./first-setup.sh
#this works up to this point only partially.
- /opt/context/tex is not installed. This is a bad error. It causes
- first-setup.sh to fail.
And what is loaded will cause conflicts with cygwin which already exists, I believe.
I can't see why rsync is use to load anothe versio of rsync in a diff location.
#1. Why does 1st setup duplicate Cygwin dlls? I've hurd that having multiple
cygwin*.dlls can cause problems. Besideds They already exist and so does
luatex.exe for that matter. 'first-setup.sh' should know that it does a test
for CYGWIN, but doesn't seem to do anything with it.
#2. Also redundant and confusing is first-setup.sh forces the fetching of rsync by
an already existing rsync. Is rsync already exists, why fetch another one and
put it in a different location.
I have texlive for unix on a cygwin platform, on top of an XP system.
I want to make installing the standalone easy for cyginw and linux.
#
# Firstly, exactly what packages are needed for context?
# I assume it's one or more of the mtx prefixed programs below. Please advise.
- mtx-update.lua
- mtxrun.exe
- mtxrun.dll
- mtxrun.lua
- lua52.dll
- luatex.dll Is this needed in addition to luatex.exe?
- luatex.exe <Note: cygwin has luatex.exe same functionality?>
- kpathsea620.dll <Note: TeXLive has kpath related code>
I understand that there are not a lot of people experimenting with the latest ConTeXt
and even less for the Cygin platform. But, I would like to make it easer and clearer for Cygwin users who do want to experiement with the latest versions.
I don't know if installing for a native linux version is easier or more straightforward or not.
Regards.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: Standalone
2014-03-01 12:42 Standalone hwitloc
@ 2014-03-02 0:06 ` Hans Hagen
2014-05-03 11:35 ` Standalone Mojca Miklavec
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2014-03-02 0:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 3/1/2014 1:42 PM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On my system I already have Cygwin. I want to install the standalone Context.
>
> Which involves basically:
>
> mkdir -o /opt/context
> cd /opt/context
> wget "http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/first-setup.sh
> chmod 744 first-setup.sh
> ./first-setup.sh
>
> #this works up to this point only partially.
>
> - /opt/context/tex is not installed. This is a bad error. It causes
> - first-setup.sh to fail.
>
> And what is loaded will cause conflicts with cygwin which already exists, I believe.
> I can't see why rsync is use to load anothe versio of rsync in a diff location.
>
> #1. Why does 1st setup duplicate Cygwin dlls? I've hurd that having multiple
> cygwin*.dlls can cause problems. Besideds They already exist and so does
> luatex.exe for that matter. 'first-setup.sh' should know that it does a test
> for CYGWIN, but doesn't seem to do anything with it.
at some point we will switch to mingw rsync (has been tested a while
ago) so then the dll's will go
> #2. Also redundant and confusing is first-setup.sh forces the fetching of rsync by
> an already existing rsync. Is rsync already exists, why fetch another one and
> put it in a different location.
because figuring out what is available is more work (and we want the
rsync to match the one at the server)
> I have texlive for unix on a cygwin platform, on top of an XP system.
>
> I want to make installing the standalone easy for cyginw and linux.
afaik it's easy alreasdu on linux
> #
> # Firstly, exactly what packages are needed for context?
> # I assume it's one or more of the mtx prefixed programs below. Please advise.
>
> - mtx-update.lua
>
> - mtxrun.exe
> - mtxrun.dll
> - mtxrun.lua
>
> - lua52.dll
> - luatex.dll Is this needed in addition to luatex.exe?
> - luatex.exe <Note: cygwin has luatex.exe same functionality?>
>
> - kpathsea620.dll <Note: TeXLive has kpath related code>
>
>
> I understand that there are not a lot of people experimenting with the latest ConTeXt
> and even less for the Cygin platform. But, I would like to make it easer and clearer for Cygwin users who do want to experiement with the latest versions.
eh .. i bet tat most users use the latest context but you're probably
right that not that many users are on cygwin (if u need unix alongside
windows i use a vm) as there are native windows binaries (makes me
wonder if these can be run inside cygwin)
> I don't know if installing for a native linux version is easier or more straightforward or not
installing on linux or osx or windows is equally straightforward (same
process once you donloaded the installation files); updating is even
less work
Hans
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: Standalone
2014-03-01 12:42 Standalone hwitloc
2014-03-02 0:06 ` Standalone Hans Hagen
@ 2014-05-03 11:35 ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2014-05-03 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
I'm sending the reply with a tiny bit of delay ... but I would be
grateful for some testing of modifications I have done.
---------------------
It took me a while to actually understand the problem.
cygwin support has an interesting history:
- at first, no support
- then tried to setup the support by native cygwin binaries
- the original
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 1:42 PM, wrote:
> On my system I already have Cygwin. I want to install the standalone Context.
>
> Which involves basically:
>
> mkdir -o /opt/context
> cd /opt/context
> wget "http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/first-setup.sh
> chmod 744 first-setup.sh
> ./first-setup.sh
>
> #this works up to this point only partially.
>
> - /opt/context/tex is not installed. This is a bad error. It causes
> - first-setup.sh to fail.
>
> And what is loaded will cause conflicts with cygwin which already exists, I believe.
> I can't see why rsync is use to load anothe versio of rsync in a diff location.
>
> #1. Why does 1st setup duplicate Cygwin dlls?
Because 99% of Windows users don't have rsync installed. And because
the version of rsync we are using links against cygwin's dlls.
But if you ask why it fetched that under cygwin, the answer is most
probably "because everyone attempting to install minimals under cygwin
gave up or vanished before we were able to fix the issues".
> I've hurd that having multiple
> cygwin*.dlls can cause problems. Besideds They already exist and so does
> luatex.exe for that matter. 'first-setup.sh' should know that it does a test
> for CYGWIN, but doesn't seem to do anything with it.
>
> #2. Also redundant and confusing is first-setup.sh forces the fetching of rsync by
> an already existing rsync. Is rsync already exists, why fetch another one and
> put it in a different location.
In past we had special cygwin-specific binaries, but those building
them gave up. So we switched to fetching the "regular" windows
binaries and forgot about the fact that cygwin users wouldn't want to
install rsync & cygwin's dlls.
> I have texlive for unix on a cygwin platform, on top of an XP system.
>
> I want to make installing the standalone easy for cyginw and linux.
On linux it should be easy already, but if you have some specific
suggestion(s), let me know.
> #
> # Firstly, exactly what packages are needed for context?
> # I assume it's one or more of the mtx prefixed programs below. Please advise.
>
> - mtx-update.lua
>
> - mtxrun.exe
> - mtxrun.dll
> - mtxrun.lua
>
> - lua52.dll
> - luatex.dll Is this needed in addition to luatex.exe?
Yes, luatex.exe is only 1.5K and depends on it.
> - luatex.exe <Note: cygwin has luatex.exe same functionality?>
Probably yes (unless you have a different version of luatex yourself).
> - kpathsea620.dll <Note: TeXLive has kpath related code>
I didn't understand.
> I understand that there are not a lot of people experimenting with the latest ConTeXt
> and even less for the Cygin platform.
There are a lot of people using the latest ConTeXt (for a certain
meaning of "a lot": it's definitely less than the number of latex or
MS Word users, but still a reasonable number). But the cross section
of those and cygwin users might well be asymptotically approaching
zero (or one, now that you are attempting it).
> But, I would like to make it easier and clearer for Cygwin users who do want to experiement with the latest versions.
I tried to fix a few problems. Can you please try again.
> I don't know if installing for a native linux version is easier or more straightforward or not.
At least there should not be any problems with fetching rsync and
shared libraries on Linux. Feel free to try.
Mojca
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