For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Mari Voipio]

Hello!

At the recent ConTeXt meeting Hans helped me update my ConTeXt
installation and explained about a new way of getting ConTeXt to work
with SciTe, it now uses external lexers and even spell-checking is now
possible for some languages.


The SciTe tips and tricks page will have to wait, but I made a new
wiki page for the installation instructions. This one isn't linked
anywhere yet and the page title should probably be changed before
that, but I leave that to wiki admins. My old "Simple Windows
installation page" should probably be unlinked or even deleted after
this new and better one has found its proper spot.

For now, the new Windows+SciTe page is at
<http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Windows:_ConTeXt_Suite_with_editor_%28SciTe%29>

I checked the instructions by installing the combo on a "blank" new
Win64-laptop (of the cheap and sleazy type, this keyboard drives me
nuts!) and it works. It is not exactly "out-of-the-box", but nothing a
seasoned Windows user or a half-good admin couldn't manage. I assume
small .bat scripts could be written to automatize it even further, but
I'm no programmer, it is faster for me to do a bit of manual work
instead.


Hope this helps,

Mari
(who'll now proceed onwards to write a ConTeXt 101 suite for
Windows/Word dummies)
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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Hans Hagen]

On 19-10-2011 09:04, Mari Voipio wrote:
> Hello!
>
> At the recent ConTeXt meeting Hans helped me update my ConTeXt
> installation and explained about a new way of getting ConTeXt to work
> with SciTe, it now uses external lexers and even spell-checking is now
> possible for some languages.
>
>
> The SciTe tips and tricks page will have to wait, but I made a new
> wiki page for the installation instructions. This one isn't linked
> anywhere yet and the page title should probably be changed before
> that, but I leave that to wiki admins. My old "Simple Windows
> installation page" should probably be unlinked or even deleted after
> this new and better one has found its proper spot.
>
> For now, the new Windows+SciTe page is at
> <http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Windows:_ConTeXt_Suite_with_editor_%28SciTe%29>
>
> I checked the instructions by installing the combo on a "blank" new
> Win64-laptop (of the cheap and sleazy type, this keyboard drives me
> nuts!) and it works. It is not exactly "out-of-the-box", but nothing a
> seasoned Windows user or a half-good admin couldn't manage. I assume
> small .bat scripts could be written to automatize it even further, but
> I'm no programmer, it is faster for me to do a bit of manual work
> instead.

there is now also a scite-for-osx but someone needs to compile the 
external lexer lua library as it's only available for windows and linux

Hans


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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On 10/19/11 11:49 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> there is now also a scite-for-osx but someone needs to compile the
> external lexer lua library as it's only available for windows and linux
>
> Hans

hey, that sounds good - but where can I find it? There's nothing about 
it on the scintilla page. Or do you mean running scite in X11 on OS X?

Thomas
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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Patrick Gundlach]

Am 19.10.2011 um 11:52 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz:

> On 10/19/11 11:49 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> there is now also a scite-for-osx but someone needs to compile the
>> external lexer lua library as it's only available for windows and linux
>> 
>> Hans
> 
> hey, that sounds good - but where can I find it? There's nothing about it on the scintilla page. Or do you mean running scite in X11 on OS X?

I've seen it in the app store a few days ago. Haven't tried it, though.

Patrick

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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On 10/19/11 11:55 AM, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> I've seen it in the app store a few days ago. Haven't tried it, though.
>
> Patrick

Ah thanks - and right you are! Comes with a price tag of 33.49 € though; 
not sure if it's worth that...

Thomas
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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Hans Hagen]

On 19-10-2011 11:57, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On 10/19/11 11:55 AM, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
>> I've seen it in the app store a few days ago. Haven't tried it, though.
>>
>> Patrick
>
> Ah thanks - and right you are! Comes with a price tag of 33.49 € though;
> not sure if it's worth that...

well, that's how things move forward on apples ... soon all has to go 
through the app store I guess ... yet another way to keep track of what 
you use and install ... more problematic is the fact that some day soon 
apps operate in their private space (there comes a warning with scite 
that at some point there can be problems/more hassle  with opening files 
due to this requirement)

Hans

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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Lutz Haseloff]

Hi Mari,

if i install SciTe and the the ConTeXt files for SciTe on my Win 7 64 bit,
i can no longer scroll the text in the editor. Windows quits SciTe
because of an unknown
error :-(

Has someone else the same error?

Greetings Lutz

2011/10/19 Mari Voipio <mari.voipio@iki.fi>:
> Hello!
>
> At the recent ConTeXt meeting Hans helped me update my ConTeXt
> installation and explained about a new way of getting ConTeXt to work
> with SciTe, it now uses external lexers and even spell-checking is now
> possible for some languages.
>
>
> The SciTe tips and tricks page will have to wait, but I made a new
> wiki page for the installation instructions. This one isn't linked
> anywhere yet and the page title should probably be changed before
> that, but I leave that to wiki admins. My old "Simple Windows
> installation page" should probably be unlinked or even deleted after
> this new and better one has found its proper spot.
>
> For now, the new Windows+SciTe page is at
> <http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Windows:_ConTeXt_Suite_with_editor_%28SciTe%29>
>
> I checked the instructions by installing the combo on a "blank" new
> Win64-laptop (of the cheap and sleazy type, this keyboard drives me
> nuts!) and it works. It is not exactly "out-of-the-box", but nothing a
> seasoned Windows user or a half-good admin couldn't manage. I assume
> small .bat scripts could be written to automatize it even further, but
> I'm no programmer, it is faster for me to do a bit of manual work
> instead.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Mari
> (who'll now proceed onwards to write a ConTeXt 101 suite for
> Windows/Word dummies)
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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Mari Voipio]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:50, Lutz Haseloff
<lutz.haseloff@googlemail.com> wrote:
> if i install SciTe and the the ConTeXt files for SciTe on my Win 7 64 bit,
> i can no longer scroll the text in the editor. Windows quits SciTe
> because of an unknown
> error :-(
>
> Has someone else the same error?

Do you have special mouse/scroll software installed? If, which one and
whose? Did you try reinstalling it after you installed SciTe?

I did notice a scrolling problem, but it is not that bad: I'm using a
marble mouse that doesn't have a scroll wheel at all, so I had to
install Logitech's software to turn a scroller on and of with the
fourth mouse button. That works everywhere else, but not in SciTe -
the scroll bar moves, but nothing happens...
[Not having scroll wheel drives me nuts, but that was the only
pointing device we had of this type that fitted for left hand; a new
'marble' of different brand, with a scroll wheel, has been ordered!]


When I first installed the documented combo at ConTeXt User Meeting, I
was successfully using a Logitech Bluetooth Travel mouse, but I did
*not* have the Logitech software in the laptop.
I cannot recall having problems with the right-handed cordless marble
mouse, either, not even after installing Logitech Setpoint, it
scrolled fine with the scroll wheel - I was quite happy with
everything until my elbow forced me to switch to left-handed mousing
for now.
NB. These experiences were like two beta versions ago, don't know if
that makes any difference... I didn't put any external mouse on my
test bench computer I used to check the wiki instructions, so I can't
say anything about it. If the computer is still on my desk when I'm
back at the office on Monday, I can test it a bit, we've got plenty of
'normal' mice floating around.


Hans also uses a scroll mouse with his Windows+SciTe combo, so usually
these work. My first guess would be some kind of conflict between
mouse software and SciTe, but I might be wrong.


BTW, if you remove SciTe with the lexers and stuf and reinstall it,
but don't put lexers and ConTeXt modifications in the SciTe directory,
what happens then?



Just my 5 cents,

Mari
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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Lutz Haseloff]

2011/10/20 Mari Voipio <mari.voipio@iki.fi>:
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:50, Lutz Haseloff
> <lutz.haseloff@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> if i install SciTe and the the ConTeXt files for SciTe on my Win 7 64 bit,
>> i can no longer scroll the text in the editor. Windows quits SciTe
>> because of an unknown
>> error :-(
>>
>> Has someone else the same error?
>
> Do you have special mouse/scroll software installed? If, which one and
> whose? Did you try reinstalling it after you installed SciTe?

I use SetPoint by LogiTech.
No.

It is not only a mouse Problem, dragging the slider down and
holding down the PageDown key has the same effect.

>
> I did notice a scrolling problem, but it is not that bad: I'm using a
> marble mouse that doesn't have a scroll wheel at all, so I had to
> install Logitech's software to turn a scroller on and of with the
> fourth mouse button. That works everywhere else, but not in SciTe -
> the scroll bar moves, but nothing happens...
> [Not having scroll wheel drives me nuts, but that was the only
> pointing device we had of this type that fitted for left hand; a new
> 'marble' of different brand, with a scroll wheel, has been ordered!]
>
>
> When I first installed the documented combo at ConTeXt User Meeting, I
> was successfully using a Logitech Bluetooth Travel mouse, but I did
> *not* have the Logitech software in the laptop.
> I cannot recall having problems with the right-handed cordless marble
> mouse, either, not even after installing Logitech Setpoint, it
> scrolled fine with the scroll wheel - I was quite happy with
> everything until my elbow forced me to switch to left-handed mousing
> for now.
> NB. These experiences were like two beta versions ago, don't know if
> that makes any difference... I didn't put any external mouse on my
> test bench computer I used to check the wiki instructions, so I can't
> say anything about it. If the computer is still on my desk when I'm
> back at the office on Monday, I can test it a bit, we've got plenty of
> 'normal' mice floating around.
>

I will try it without SetPoint.

>
> Hans also uses a scroll mouse with his Windows+SciTe combo, so usually
> these work. My first guess would be some kind of conflict between
> mouse software and SciTe, but I might be wrong.
>
>
> BTW, if you remove SciTe with the lexers and stuf and reinstall it,
> but don't put lexers and ConTeXt modifications in the SciTe directory,
> what happens then?
>

Then it works as expected but without the excellent new syntax highlighting.

>
> Just my 5 cents,
>
> Mari
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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Hans Hagen]

On 20-10-2011 10:50, Lutz Haseloff wrote:

> if i install SciTe and the the ConTeXt files for SciTe on my Win 7 64 bit,
> i can no longer scroll the text in the editor. Windows quits SciTe
> because of an unknown
> error :-(
>
> Has someone else the same error?

I assume that you installed the lexer lua libs too. I don't know if that 
one is 64 bit (I'm on a by now pretty old 32 bit machine).

Hans

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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Mari Voipio]

Lähetetty kännystäni / Sent from my iPhone

On 20.10.2011, at 13.06, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> On 20-10-2011 10:50, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
> 
>> if i install SciTe and the the ConTeXt files for SciTe on my Win 7 64 bit,
>> i can no longer scroll the text in the editor. Windows quits SciTe
>> because of an unknown
>> error :-(
>> 
>> Has someone else the same error?
> 
> I assume that you installed the lexer lua libs too. I don't know if that one is 64 bit (I'm on a by now pretty old 32 bit machine).
> 
> Hans
> 
I'm running 32-bit SciTe, because that's what I got by using Troy Simpson's Windows installer for SciTe; both my work laptop and the Win 7 Home I used to test my wiki text are 64-bit computers. The stuff on the wiki worked on those two computers, can't vouch for anything else...

Or, rather: SciTe got installed into the (x86) directory, so I just *assumed* that it is a 32-bit version.


Mari
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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Lutz Haseloff]

2011/10/20 Mari Voipio <mvoipio@gmail.com>:
>
>
> Lähetetty kännystäni / Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 20.10.2011, at 13.06, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>> On 20-10-2011 10:50, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>>
>>> if i install SciTe and the the ConTeXt files for SciTe on my Win 7 64 bit,
>>> i can no longer scroll the text in the editor. Windows quits SciTe
>>> because of an unknown
>>> error :-(
>>>
>>> Has someone else the same error?
>>
>> I assume that you installed the lexer lua libs too. I don't know if that one is 64 bit (I'm on a by now pretty old 32 bit machine).
>>
>> Hans
>>
> I'm running 32-bit SciTe, because that's what I got by using Troy Simpson's Windows installer for SciTe; both my work laptop and the Win 7 Home I used to test my wiki text are 64-bit computers. The stuff on the wiki worked on those two computers, can't vouch for anything else...
>
> Or, rather: SciTe got installed into the (x86) directory, so I just *assumed* that it is a 32-bit version.
>

I tried to install SciTe/ConTeXt on a WinXP 32 bit machine.
I installed Troy Simpson's Windows installer for SciTe, deleted all
filles except SciTe.exe, SciTEGlobal.properties and SciLexer.dll.
Then I copied the files from scintillua229-1.zip and from
/context/data/scite to the progran directory.

The problem remains. Scrolling in my 4000+ lines file crashes SciTe.
Without the line "import scite-context-user" in SciTEGlobal.properties
scrolling works without problems.


Lutz
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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Hans Hagen]

On 21-10-2011 08:42, Lutz Haseloff wrote:

> The problem remains. Scrolling in my 4000+ lines file crashes SciTe.

Any file or just that one? If only that one, can you send it?

(the problem is that there are no error messages in the windows version 
- that is, i have no clue how to intercept the gui's output)

Hans



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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Lutz Haseloff]

2011/10/21 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> On 21-10-2011 08:42, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>
>> The problem remains. Scrolling in my 4000+ lines file crashes SciTe.
>
> Any file or just that one? If only that one, can you send it?
>

Any fairly large tex file (about 3000 lines).
If I rename the files to *.text, scrolling works.

The same effect I get if I select a large chunk of the text and do
Shift-F11 wrap.

> (the problem is that there are no error messages in the windows version -
> that is, i have no clue how to intercept the gui's output)
>
> Hans
>
>
>
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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Hans Hagen]

On 21-10-2011 11:35, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
> 2011/10/21 Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl>:
>> On 21-10-2011 08:42, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>>
>>> The problem remains. Scrolling in my 4000+ lines file crashes SciTe.
>>
>> Any file or just that one? If only that one, can you send it?
>>
>
> Any fairly large tex file (about 3000 lines).
> If I rename the files to *.text, scrolling works.
>
> The same effect I get if I select a large chunk of the text and do
> Shift-F11 wrap.

The lexer gets pretty large chunks (basically from start to current) .. 
a good test is to go to the end of the document which lexes the whole; 
after that some sort of whitespace analysis determines what local 
(nested) lexer to use .. at least that's what the basic lexing framework 
does ... I'm still wondering if I should redo that part (I already 
rewrote some of the lua code to be more efficient).

Hans


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Re: For Windows users: ConTeXt + SciTe installation instructions updated

[Mari Voipio]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:06, Mari Voipio <mari.voipio@iki.fi> wrote:
> I did notice a scrolling problem, but it is not that bad: I'm using a
> marble mouse that doesn't have a scroll wheel at all, so I had to
> install Logitech's software to turn a scroller on and of with the
> fourth mouse button. That works everywhere else, but not in SciTe -
> the scroll bar moves, but nothing happens...

So, the Kensington Trackball with Scroll Ring turned up. I just
plugged out the Logitech scroll-less marble and plugged in the new
Kensington trackboll - and everything works like a charm, including
scrolling in SciTe (and the marble moves a lot better, too, I
definitely prefer this one).

However, most of my files are small as the books I work on are split
into chapters. The real test won't come until I tackle the 150-page
manual later this week... But so far so good!


Mari
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