From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/72719 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: \unit and Hertz, lux, and degrees/minutes/seconds Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:00:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4ECF6721.9060408@wxs.nl> References: , <4ECA1F49.6020309@wxs.nl> <746538930812A54DA07A768D52329470020C7D521E@exvic-mbx01.nexus.csiro.au> <4B99ACE8-7C48-4554-9655-89FD0C71F1CB@googlemail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1322215231 2867 80.91.229.12 (25 Nov 2011 10:00:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 10:00:31 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Nov 25 11:00:26 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTsZy-0006Sb-T6 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:00:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2693ACB1B9; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:00:22 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id z5LpxtCLmUdM; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:00:18 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DE8CB198; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:00:18 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B1BCB198 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:00:16 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id yo9xtNK+KvKM for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:00:14 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (filter2-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.70]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2BDCB193 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:00:14 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id pAPA059G017966 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:00:12 +0100 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.100; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 5.3h2) with ESMTP (TLS) id 849-1713362 for multiple; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:00:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=11; city=Den Haag; latitude=52.0833; longitude=4.3000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.0833,4.3000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0rG1m05qo - dbea9da7075f - 20111125 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.70 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:72719 Archived-At: On 25-11-2011 10:29, Ian Lawrence wrote: > >> >> Maybe it=92s possible with MkIV to check if the text before the \unit co= mmand was >> a number but of the number is part of the unit them put in the command, = such >> things are always tricky with TeX and it=92s better to force users to us= e proper input. >> >> Within \type{phys-dim.lua} all the units and all the prefixes seem t= o have >> capitalised names; in fact, they should be all lowercase (even when = they >> are named after some person). The exception is Celsius. > > I suggested a list to Hans some time ago, so more than one person has thi= s opinion... The list is just an internal one. The reason for capatilzation is that = in the old module we had \Bla \Foo etc an dI want to keep that property = and it's easier to lowercase a string than to selectively uppercase it. Also, for some cases Capitalization gives more robust parsing as we can = have collapsed units. Anyway, users can use lowercase so they can avoid it. >> I think this is a feature because Hans saves also a lowercase version of= all >> keywords and you can use both as input. > >> >> I wonder whether \tex{unit} should only parse and format units, and = have >> another macro \tex{quan} or \tex{quantity} to handle number+unit com= binations >> (obviously using \tex{digit} and \tex{unit}). >> > > I put my solution to this (expressing physical quantities) on the wiki a = while ago=85. First we need to get the parsing right, then we can look into other = features and cultural issues. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________