* Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes?
@ 2011-11-30 1:19 Pavneet Arora
2011-11-30 6:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 1:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I enclose a minimal example as well as the output. It would seem that the \os
causes the m-dash to come out as three hyphens. Is this the expected behaviour?
advTHANKSance.
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1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no.
\os
1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no.
\stoptext
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* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes?
2011-11-30 1:19 Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? Pavneet Arora
@ 2011-11-30 6:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-11-30 12:28 ` Pavneet Arora
2011-11-30 19:19 ` Pavneet Arora
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-11-30 6:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 30.11.2011 um 02:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora:
> I enclose a minimal example as well as the output. It would seem that the \os causes the m-dash to come out as three hyphens. Is this the expected behavior?
Write {\os 123…}, context use a special fontfeature set (with the name “just-os”) for old style figure where where kerning, text ligatures etc. are disabled.
Wolfgang
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* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes?
2011-11-30 6:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2011-11-30 12:28 ` Pavneet Arora
2011-11-30 19:19 ` Pavneet Arora
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From: Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wolfgang Schuster; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Many thanks Wolfgang!
On 11-11-30 01:30 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 30.11.2011 um 02:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora:
>
>> I enclose a minimal example as well as the output. It would seem that the \os causes the m-dash to come out as three hyphens. Is this the expected behavior?
>
> Write {\os 123…}, context use a special fontfeature set (with the name “just-os”) for old style figure where where kerning, text ligatures etc. are disabled.
>
> Wolfgang
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* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes?
2011-11-30 6:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-11-30 12:28 ` Pavneet Arora
@ 2011-11-30 19:19 ` Pavneet Arora
2011-11-30 19:45 ` Willi Egger
2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wolfgang Schuster; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
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Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature
across the entire document, which is really what I want.
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F
In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local
instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems
to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i.e., that in
a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way
of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in
small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that
case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used.
I again enclose a small example with output.
advTHANKSance.
On 11-11-30 01:30 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 30.11.2011 um 02:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora:
>
>> I enclose a minimal example as well as the output. It would seem that the \os causes the m-dash to come out as three hyphens. Is this the expected behavior?
>
> Write {\os 123…}, context use a special fontfeature set (with the name “just-os”) for old style figure where where kerning, text ligatures etc. are disabled.
>
> Wolfgang
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\definefontfeature[default][default][onum=yes]
\setupbodyfont[schola]
\starttext
1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no.
{\sc 1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no.} 0987654321
\stoptext
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* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes?
2011-11-30 19:19 ` Pavneet Arora
@ 2011-11-30 19:45 ` Willi Egger
2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Willi Egger @ 2011-11-30 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Pavneet,
I do not know which font/kind of font you intend to use. So provided the font is a otf-type the following works:
\setupbodyfont[times,rm,12pt]
\definefontfeature[oldstyle][sript=latin,onum=yes]
\starttext
\addff{oldstyle}
1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no.
1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no.
\stoptext
Willi
On 30 Nov 2011, at 20:19, Pavneet Arora wrote:
> Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want.
>
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F
>
> In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i.e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used.
>
> I again enclose a small example with output.
>
> advTHANKSance.
>
> On 11-11-30 01:30 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>
>> Am 30.11.2011 um 02:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora:
>>
>>> I enclose a minimal example as well as the output. It would seem that the \os causes the m-dash to come out as three hyphens. Is this the expected behavior?
>>
>> Write {\os 123…}, context use a special fontfeature set (with the name “just-os”) for old style figure where where kerning, text ligatures etc. are disabled.
>>
>> Wolfgang
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* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes?
2011-11-30 19:19 ` Pavneet Arora
2011-11-30 19:45 ` Willi Egger
@ 2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-11-30 22:01 ` Pavneet Arora
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-11-30 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pavneet_arora; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Am 30.11.2011 um 20:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora:
> Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want.
>
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F
>
> In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i.e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used.
No, the answer is that smallcaps are activated with the “smcp” feature and this is applied to the regular style with the “smallcaps” set. To get now old style figures when you use smallcaps letters you need also this setup:
\definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes]
Wolfgang
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* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes?
2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2011-11-30 22:01 ` Pavneet Arora
2011-11-30 22:02 ` Hans Hagen
2011-12-02 0:26 ` Pavneet Arora
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From: Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wolfgang Schuster; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Works a charm, Wolfgang. Thanks again.
On 11-11-30 04:19 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 30.11.2011 um 20:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora:
>
>> Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want.
>>
>> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F
>>
>> In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i.e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used.
>
> No, the answer is that smallcaps are activated with the “smcp” feature and this is applied to the regular style with the “smallcaps” set. To get now old style figures when you use smallcaps letters you need also this setup:
>
> \definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes]
>
> Wolfgang
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* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes?
2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-11-30 22:01 ` Pavneet Arora
@ 2011-11-30 22:02 ` Hans Hagen
2011-12-02 0:26 ` Pavneet Arora
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-11-30 22:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 30-11-2011 22:19, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 30.11.2011 um 20:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora:
>
>> Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want.
>>
>> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F
>>
>> In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i..e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used.
>
> No, the answer is that smallcaps are activated with the “smcp” feature and this is applied to the regular style with the “smallcaps” set. To get now old style figures when you use smallcaps letters you need also this setup:
>
> \definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes]
given that the smallcaps feature does not nil oldstyle (happens in some
fonts)
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* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes?
2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-11-30 22:01 ` Pavneet Arora
2011-11-30 22:02 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-12-02 0:26 ` Pavneet Arora
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From: Pavneet Arora @ 2011-12-02 0:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Just for the sake of completeness, in case someone else stumbles upon this
thread, it should be noted that \definefontfeature needs to be set before
\setupbodyfont, i.e.,
\definefontfeature[default][default][onum=yes]
\definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes]
\setupbodyfont[schola,11pt]
rather than:
\setupbodyfont[schola,11pt]
\definefontfeature[default][default][onum=yes]
\definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes]
I made the mistake of using the latter form in one of my tests and was
left wondering why things weren't working.
Regards.
On 11-11-30 04:19 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 30.11.2011 um 20:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora:
>
>> Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want.
>>
>> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F
>>
>> In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i.e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used.
>
> No, the answer is that smallcaps are activated with the “smcp” feature and this is applied to the regular style with the “smallcaps” set. To get now old style figures when you use smallcaps letters you need also this setup:
>
> \definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes]
>
> Wolfgang
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