isn't it too slow?

isn't it too slow?

[Pablo Rodríguez]

Hi there,

compiling this minimal file:

   \definepapersize[aa][width=2cm,height=1cm]
   \setuppapersize[aa]
   \setuppagenumbering[location=]
   \usemodule[simplefonts][size=12pt]
   \definesimplefont[amsmile][TeX Gyre Pagella]
   \starttext
   \TeX\ \amsmile \TeX
   \stoptext

using

   This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.70.1-2011061416 (rev 4277)
   ConTeXt ver: 2011.05.18 18:04 MKIV fmt: 2011.8.1 int: english/english

took

   system          | total runtime: 144.057

Replacing the TeX Gyre Pagella font with small caps only takes

   system          | total runtime: 6.753

I guess something is wrong here, even if I'm doing something wrong.

Just in case it helps,


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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 06.12.2011 um 13:22 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:

> Hi there,
> 
> compiling this minimal file:
> 
>   \definepapersize[aa][width=2cm,height=1cm]
>   \setuppapersize[aa]
>   \setuppagenumbering[location=]
>   \usemodule[simplefonts][size=12pt]
>   \definesimplefont[amsmile][TeX Gyre Pagella]
>   \starttext
>   \TeX\ \amsmile \TeX
>   \stoptext
> 
> using
> 
>   This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.70.1-2011061416 (rev 4277)
>   ConTeXt ver: 2011.05.18 18:04 MKIV fmt: 2011.8.1 int: english/english
> 
> took
> 
>   system          | total runtime: 144.057
> 
> Replacing the TeX Gyre Pagella font with small caps only takes
> 
>   system          | total runtime: 6.753
> 
> I guess something is wrong here, even if I'm doing something wrong.

The example takes here less than a second.

Wolfgang
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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Pablo Rodríguez]

On 12/06/2011 02:30 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>
>> Replacing the TeX Gyre Pagella font with small caps only takes
>>
>>   system          | total runtime: 6.753
> 
> The example takes here less than a second.

My question would be then why in the normal case my system is ×7 slower?


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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Hans Hagen]

On 6-12-2011 15:55, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
> On 12/06/2011 02:30 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>>
>>> Replacing the TeX Gyre Pagella font with small caps only takes
>>>
>>>    system          | total runtime: 6.753
>>
>> The example takes here less than a second.
>
> My question would be then why in the normal case my system is ×7 slower?

you can see at the end of the log where the time is spent .. do you have 
a cache (for fonts and such)?

Hans


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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Hans Hagen]

On 6-12-2011 13:22, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> compiling this minimal file:
>
>     \definepapersize[aa][width=2cm,height=1cm]
>     \setuppapersize[aa]
>     \setuppagenumbering[location=]
>     \usemodule[simplefonts][size=12pt]
>     \definesimplefont[amsmile][TeX Gyre Pagella]
>     \starttext
>     \TeX\ \amsmile \TeX
>     \stoptext
>
> using
>
>     This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.70.1-2011061416 (rev 4277)
>     ConTeXt ver: 2011.05.18 18:04 MKIV fmt: 2011.8.1 int: english/english
>
> took
>
>     system          | total runtime: 144.057

that can be because you ask for a font by name in which case the font 
name cache is regenerated ... so that happen seldom

> Replacing the TeX Gyre Pagella font with small caps only takes
>
>     system          | total runtime: 6.753

probably a first time caching of the font

> I guess something is wrong here, even if I'm doing something wrong.

successive runs should be fast


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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Pablo Rodríguez]

On 12/06/2011 06:15 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 6-12-2011 13:22, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> compiling this minimal file:
>>
>>     \definepapersize[aa][width=2cm,height=1cm]
>>     \setuppapersize[aa]
>>     \setuppagenumbering[location=]
>>     \usemodule[simplefonts][size=12pt]
>>     \definesimplefont[amsmile][TeX Gyre Pagella]
>>     \starttext
>>     \TeX\ \amsmile \TeX
>>     \stoptext
>>
>> using
>>
>>     This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.70.1-2011061416 (rev 4277)
>>     ConTeXt ver: 2011.05.18 18:04 MKIV fmt: 2011.8.1 int: english/english
>>
>> took
>>
>>     system          | total runtime: 144.057
> 
> that can be because you ask for a font by name in which case the font 
> name cache is regenerated ... so that happen seldom
> 
>> Replacing the TeX Gyre Pagella font with small caps only takes
>>
>>     system          | total runtime: 6.753
> 
> probably a first time caching of the font


When I update TeXLive 2011 invoking:

	tlmgr update --self --all

after that I have to manually run:

	 mtxrun --script fonts --reload

if anything on the ConTeXt system has changed.

Otherwise, things like this happen every time I compile a ConTeXt document.

I guess there might be something wrong in tlmgr when updating ConTeXt,
but this is beyond my knowledge.

>> I guess something is wrong here, even if I'm doing something wrong.
> 
> successive runs should be fast

If I don't regenerate the font cache as above, I get this mess every
time I compile a ConTeXt document invoking a system font by name.

Thanks for your help,


Pablo
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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Pablo Rodríguez]

On 12/06/2011 06:14 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 6-12-2011 15:55, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
>> On 12/06/2011 02:30 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Replacing the TeX Gyre Pagella font with small caps only takes
>>>>
>>>>    system          | total runtime: 6.753
>>>
>>> The example takes here less than a second.
>>
>> My question would be then why in the normal case my system is ×7 slower?
> 
> you can see at the end of the log where the time is spent .. do you have 
> a cache (for fonts and such)?

I guess I have a font cache. I didn't configure anything, I use it as it
comes with TeXLive 2011.

I guess I have a font cache, because I use OS fonts with simplefonts.

But the same should happen to Wolfgang (and I don't think that his
computer is ×7 faster than my laptop).

But the example doesn't load system fonts, only Latin Modern.

Just in case you want to test my minimal sample:

\definepapersize[aa][width=2cm,height=1cm]
\setuppapersize[aa]
\setuppagenumbering[location=]
\starttext
\TeX\ \sc\word\ \TeX
\stoptext

But I think that less than a second total compiling time is too fast
only to load the ConTeXt macros.

Thanks for your help,


Pablo
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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 06.12.2011 um 22:16 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:

> Just in case you want to test my minimal sample:
> 
> \definepapersize[aa][width=2cm,height=1cm]
> \setuppapersize[aa]
> \setuppagenumbering[location=]
> \starttext
> \TeX\ \sc\word\ \TeX
> \stoptext
> 
> But I think that less than a second total compiling time is too fast
> only to load the ConTeXt macros.

Why not, this is what I get from your example (time context test.tex):

real	0m0.922s
user	0m0.853s
sys	0m0.061s

Wolfgang
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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Hans Hagen]

On 6-12-2011 22:29, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 06.12.2011 um 22:16 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:
>
>> Just in case you want to test my minimal sample:
>>
>> \definepapersize[aa][width=2cm,height=1cm]
>> \setuppapersize[aa]
>> \setuppagenumbering[location=]
>> \starttext
>> \TeX\ \sc\word\ \TeX
>> \stoptext
>>
>> But I think that less than a second total compiling time is too fast
>> only to load the ConTeXt macros.
>
> Why not, this is what I get from your example (time context test.tex):
>
> real	0m0.922s
> user	0m0.853s
> sys	0m0.061s

and when loading another font (before \starttext) than latin roman it's 
even less

Hans



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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Hi pablo,

On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:07:25 -0700, Pablo Rodríguez <oinos@web.de> wrote:

> Otherwise, things like this happen every time I compile a ConTeXt  
> document.

Once I had a luatex.dll file out of sync with the latest version of luatex  
-- don't ask me how it happened -- and it caused loading context macros to  
take much longer, to reload the cache every run, and to run more times  
than needed. Looking closely at the log I noticed an "engine mismatch".  
Deleting that file fixed everything. This may have nothing to do with your  
case in particular, but just to say say that sometimes strange things like  
this do happen. See also

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20101118.171849.a179501b.en.html

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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Hans Hagen]

On 6-12-2011 22:58, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد wrote:
> Hi pablo,
>
> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:07:25 -0700, Pablo Rodríguez <oinos@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Otherwise, things like this happen every time I compile a ConTeXt
>> document.
>
> Once I had a luatex.dll file out of sync with the latest version of
> luatex -- don't ask me how it happened -- and it caused loading context
> macros to take much longer, to reload the cache every run, and to run
> more times than needed. Looking closely at the log I noticed an "engine
> mismatch". Deleting that file fixed everything. This may have nothing to
> do with your case in particular, but just to say say that sometimes
> strange things like this do happen. See also

indeed, this happens because the mtxrun binary prefers the dll even if 
the exe is newer .. removing the dll is the solution then

Hans


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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Pablo Rodríguez]

On 12/06/2011 10:29 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> [...]
> Why not, this is what I get from your example (time context test.tex):
> 
> real	0m0.922s
> user	0m0.853s
> sys	0m0.061s

This is what I got:

real	0m8.744s
user	0m6.449s
sys	0m0.549s

Almost ×10 slower :-(.

I have realized that I always use the --purgeall option (to keep my
system clean), without it I get:

real	0m2.466s
user	0m2.273s
sys	0m0.182s

But still about ×2.5 slower.

Thanks for your help,


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Re: isn't it too slow?

[Pablo Rodríguez]

On 12/06/2011 10:58 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد wrote:
> Hi pablo,
> 
> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:07:25 -0700, Pablo Rodríguez <oinos@web.de> wrote:
> 
>> Otherwise, things like this happen every time I compile a ConTeXt  
>> document.
> 
> Once I had a luatex.dll file out of sync with the latest version of luatex  
> -- don't ask me how it happened -- and it caused loading context macros to  
> take much longer, to reload the cache every run, and to run more times  
> than needed. Looking closely at the log I noticed an "engine mismatch".  
> Deleting that file fixed everything. This may have nothing to do with your  
> case in particular, but just to say say that sometimes strange things like  
> this do happen. See also
> 
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20101118.171849.a179501b.en.html

Many thanks, Idris, for your help.

No mismatch found in my log file.


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