Re: context instal

Re: context instal

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Marek,

> Hi Mr. Gundlach
> .Just want to say Im very dissapointed that no installing package of ConText exist. I mean like you install things in Win – two cliks and Done!
> I was studying ConText whole afternoon and i liked it – But – im very very sick of this kind of installing. It just makes people like me to hate the whole thing about trying something else then MS Word. I was eager to learn this  ConText ant than BIIIIIIG! Frustration cause i could not run it. All those versions of packages - i wanted to shoot myself.
> 
> Yea, i know you dont get paid for this,  BUT -  come on Mr. Gundla. Is it that hard to make one ABSOLUTE DUMMY PACKAGE (you geeks can call it how you want i know you like to use word dummies for people who are lesser geeks than you :) )  two cliks and lalala! Hello Word! You save afternoon to many other people :D Just think about it, ok?

Well, ConTeXt _is_ hard to install. First you have to sacrifice one of your family members. Afterwards, you need to hum the magic chant in order to open your spirit. After you have done that, please draw a circle around your computer and put candles on it, making the shape of a pentagram. Now, and this is important, go six times clockwise around that circle, six times counter clockwise and then six times clockwise again. After that, turn on your computer and start your webbrowser and go to

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Simple_Windows_Installation

and downlaod the installer.

Sincerely your Mr. Gundla

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Re: context instal

[Mojca Miklavec]

2011/12/20 Patrick Gundlach wrote:
>>
>> .Just want to say Im very dissapointed that no installing package of ConText exist.
>> I mean like you install things in Win – two cliks and Done!

Sorry, but we don't install things in Windows. We use better operating systems.

> After that, turn on your computer and start your web browser and go to
>
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Simple_Windows_Installation
>
> and downlaod the installer.

That Windows installer has been known to be somewhat broken, so I
wouldn't suggest that at the moment.

(I got another offer for an installer during the conference, but my
procrastination on rewriting distribution scripts keeps him happily
waiting.)

But dear Mr. Jirkov - ConTeXt is NOT FOR ABSOLUTE DUMMIES. If you
create a stupid typo, you need to know how to proceed based on some
cryptic error message. And dummies often don't.

M.
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Re: context instal

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2011-12-20 um 22:46 schrieb Patrick Gundlach:

> Well, ConTeXt _is_ hard to install. First you have to sacrifice one  
> of your family members. Afterwards, you need to hum the magic chant  
> in order to open your spirit. After you have done that, please draw  
> a circle around your computer and put candles on it, making the  
> shape of a pentagram. Now, and this is important, go six times  
> clockwise around that circle, six times counter clockwise and then  
> six times clockwise again. After that, turn on your computer and  
> start your webbrowser and go to


Wikified: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Humour#Installation_chant

Unfortunately you forgot the instructions on proper dressing (prefer  
fabric in Dutch weave, avoid latex) and details on the sacrifice.

For reference see also http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml


Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: context instal

[Alan Braslau]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50:18AM +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> 
> For reference see also http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
> 

Mojca,

Due to some particularities, I am having some problems running ConTeXt mkiv
on my machine (VüDü Linux). The standard linux binaries dump core. Furthermore,
my system is not recognized by the Standalone installation script. Would it be possible
for Taco to add this architecture to luatex development - quickly - that is before Christmas,
as I have a major, life-depending project that has to be finished before next week?
Currently, I am stuck.

Luigi has volunteered to maintain the binaries (he has already developed
a general emacs script)

Alan

Minimal example:

./first-setup.sh
Error: your system "VüDü Linux - dead_badger" is not supported yet.
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Re: context instal

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2011-12-21 um 14:36 schrieb Alan Braslau:

> Due to some particularities, I am having some problems running  
> ConTeXt mkiv
> on my machine (VüDü Linux). The standard linux binaries dump core.  
> Furthermore,
> my system is not recognized by the Standalone installation script.  
> Would it be possible
> for Taco to add this architecture to luatex development - quickly -  
> that is before Christmas,
> as I have a major, life-depending project that has to be finished  
> before next week?
> Currently, I am stuck.
>
> Luigi has volunteered to maintain the binaries (he has already  
> developed
> a general emacs script)
>
> Alan
>
> Minimal example:
>
> ./first-setup.sh
> Error: your system "VüDü Linux - dead_badger" is not supported yet.

Sorry, I should have told you... That article is rather outdated.
The developers of Vüdü Linux dropped support for badgers.
To get TeX running on Vüdü, it would be best to use a dead lion, but  
those are hard to get by and tend to go feral on you.
Try a domestic cat.
The only variant of TeX that runs on Vüdü nowadays is LunaticTeX; its  
native output format is DeVIl, but it also supports LightScribe via  
SilverLight. To get PDF output, you need to form a golem from adobe  
and plug it via a fresh umbilical cord (stem cell quality).
Maybe also Knuth’s iTeX will run, if you can afford a transdimensional  
license.

Seasoned greetlings,
Hraban
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Re: context instal

[Hans Hagen]

On 21-12-2011 14:36, Alan Braslau wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50:18AM +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>>
>> For reference see also http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
>>
>
> Mojca,
>
> Due to some particularities, I am having some problems running ConTeXt mkiv
> on my machine (VüDü Linux). The standard linux binaries dump core. Furthermore,
> my system is not recognized by the Standalone installation script. Would it be possible
> for Taco to add this architecture to luatex development - quickly - that is before Christmas,
> as I have a major, life-depending project that has to be finished before next week?
> Currently, I am stuck.
>
> Luigi has volunteered to maintain the binaries (he has already developed
> a general emacs script)
>
> Alan
>
> Minimal example:
>
> ../first-setup.sh
> Error: your system "VüDü Linux - dead_badger" is not supported yet.

the webpage tells you to wear "one (1) pair latex gloves" so that must 
be the problem

Hans


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Re: context instal

[luigi scarso]

2011/12/20 Patrick Gundlach <patrick@gundla.ch>:
> Hello Marek,
>
>> Hi Mr. Gundlach
>> .Just want to say Im very dissapointed that no installing package of ConText exist. I mean like you install things in Win – two cliks and Done!
>> I was studying ConText whole afternoon and i liked it – But – im very very sick of this kind of installing. It just makes people like me to hate the whole thing about trying something else then MS Word. I was eager to learn this  ConText ant than BIIIIIIG! Frustration cause i could not run it. All those versions of packages - i wanted to shoot myself.
>>
>> Yea, i know you dont get paid for this,  BUT -  come on Mr. Gundla. Is it that hard to make one ABSOLUTE DUMMY PACKAGE (you geeks can call it how you want i know you like to use word dummies for people who are lesser geeks than you :) )  two cliks and lalala! Hello Word! You save afternoon to many other people :D Just think about it, ok?

I don't know if it's a private exchange of messages, but anyway...

1) ConTeXt comes in two flavour: mkii and mkiv. mkii uses pdftex, and
it's frozen, mkiv uses luatex and it's under active development

2) If you plan to use mkii, the simplest way is download and install
the latest texlive; it has an installer,  it's
full of fonts --- and it's big.

3) if you want to use mkiv, keep in mind that it's under active
development: things can change from a "release" (aka "beta") to
another and
a certain level of skill in system management  and programming is required
to manage the changes

4) the main developer uses Windows, and at least other two use Linux and Mac
because, following the TeX tradition, we try to be OS/distro-aware (at
least for the more
common OS)

5) ConTeXt (and TeX) is not like MS Word, even if there are some
programs that have a visual approach (TeXmacs, Texworks, for example,
but most of them use Latex)
For a properly configured system, an editor is almost all is needed.
Under Windows there is a very good support for Scite, but I use emacs
(so that I don't change anything when I switch to Linux )
and I don't have any kind of problem.


Given that, installing more than a mkiv-beta and/or install mkiv
frequently it's quite common, and for this task
the command line approach is better than other.
The instructions  for windows are
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Standalone#Installation_and_use_on_Windows
and are not particularly complicated
-- 
luigi
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Re: context instal

[Marek Jirkovský]

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Cool,
Very much thanks to luigi scarso - this is the way to help. I didt know
that goes to mailing list. It was maybe a bit insulting for Mr. Gundlach
and i am sorry for that. By the way your manual is very geeky too. :] i
guess yout geekness is very high. Respect for that.
I meant it generally - this ist just tool for something. Why lose time
/generrally with just configuring and installing. Thats what i mean. Why do
you think i've tried this. I did`t look for word replacement. Word is not
enough to do something bigger and to have it good looking. ConTeXt loks
very good for this purposes, easier then LaTex or some other Tex stuff. I
just wonder to have some easy installing package, cause these things - i
never liked them. it's evil.

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Re: context instal

[Mari Voipio]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 21:36, Marek Jirkovský <mara.jirkovsky@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just
> wonder to have some easy installing package, cause these things - i never
> liked them. it's evil.

There was, but unfortunately it has been broken for a while, it just
couldn't keep up with the software.

It is both an advantage and a disadvantage to ConTeXt that it is a
rapidly developing system. That gives it a lot of flexibility and we
users can have close contact with the developers, so if you wish for
something, you may actually get it, too. On the other hand this means
that things are continuously on the move and sometimes you have to
readjust your coding or your installation to fit the bill.

It also seems that somewhere there's still a link to that old wiki
page on Windows installation, I thought I'd killed them all... Here
are the instructions that worked in September-October 2011, when I
installed a few Windows 7 machines. Unfortunately it still involves
fiddling a bit with file paths, but you only need to do this once;
after that updating is pretty smooth (if the beta isn't broken in some
other way...).

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Windows_Installation:_ConTeXt_Suite_with_SciTe


As the only TeX system I use is ConTeXt, I've been running ConTeXt +
SciTe combo almost from the moment it became available, and I've been
reasonably happy with it most of the time. I admit that when I
migrated my work stuff from Word to ConTeXt, the learning curve was
very steep - and again this week I've spent several hours cursing
non-existent documentation and trying to figure out in what order to
do things. BUT once I get things to work in the way they should,
upkeep is usually easy and I don't risk getting my graphics heavy
files broken like what used to happen with Word. [Just had to go
through another round of fighting over my right to use ConTeXt for
what I do, but it seems that I won this round. Money talks, too,
installing ConTeXt + SciTe on five computers is a lot cheaper than
doing the same with InDesign...]


Hope this helps,

Mari Voipio
ConTeXting in Windows since around 2003
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Re: context instal

[Khaled Hosny]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 08:36:20PM +0100, Marek Jirkovský wrote:
> Cool, 
> Very much thanks to luigi scarso - this is the way to help. I didt know that
> goes to mailing list. It was maybe a bit insulting for Mr. Gundlach and i am
> sorry for that. By the way your manual is very geeky too. :] i guess yout
> geekness is very high. Respect for that. 
> I meant it generally - this ist just tool for something. Why lose time /
> generrally with just configuring and installing. Thats what i mean. Why do you
> think i've tried this. I did`t look for word replacement. Word is not enough to
> do something bigger and to have it good looking. ConTeXt loks very good for
> this purposes, easier then LaTex or some other Tex stuff. I just wonder to have
> some easy installing package, cause these things - i never liked them. it's
> evil. 

I'm sorry to say that, but if you find installing ConTeXt hard, I
suggest you look for something else because installing it is no way near
the complexity of actually using it, you are just wasting your, and many
other people's, time.

Regards,
 Khaled
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