From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/74803 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jaroslav Hajtmar Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:43:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4F4E8DFF.2090303@gyza.cz> References: <4F4D1920.4070203@gyza.cz> <4F4D28AF.6070100@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: hajtmar@gyza.cz, mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1330548277 29326 80.91.229.3 (29 Feb 2012 20:44:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users To: "Thomas A. 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(hajtmar@88.103.230.14) by psi04 with ESMTPA; 29 Feb 2012 20:44:26 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; cs; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100216 Thunderbird/3.0.2 In-Reply-To: <4F4D28AF.6070100@uni-bonn.de> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=81.2.195.204; country=CZ; latitude=49.7500; longitude=15.5000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=49.7500,15.5000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0QGDUIsKE - d84041b6aca8 - 20120229 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.70 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:74803 Archived-At: Hello Thomas. Thanks for your interest in my problem. My problem is that while simple basic aplication works fine, in complex applications (including components, images, tables etc) is not bibliography in the correct order, or there are errors in the references to literature. During looking for the bugs spent much time, but to no avail. It seems that somewhere there is a collision, which affects at first glance unrelated things. When I bring a functional solution of a simple example to complex applications, then it stops working. One of the examples of strange collision I sent recently to the conference (I send you it again). Captions of figures come in a special way to the list of bibliography (as you see in the examples). I'm trying to gradually phase out the activities section of code to find out what causes problems. So far to no avail! Find a minimal example of when it stops working is not so simple. In the meantime, perhaps enough to figure out why there is a mixing of captions of figures with a list of literature. The original project was done in MKII, where it worked somehow fine. In the MKIV I am not able to win over that bibliography. When bibliography is working then at the expense of something else. I send a few of simple minimal examples (including the resulting PDF files.) in http://public.hajtmar.com/files/tex/context/ntg-context/files-21-02-2012.zip Can be some things (components, titles, sectioning, buffering) that could affect the list of bibliography? Many thanx Jaroslav Dne 28.2.2012 20:19, Thomas A. Schmitz napsal(a): > On 2/28/12 7:12 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: >> Hello ConTeXist.. >> >> I have an unusual question: Is it bibliography really such a big problem >> for MKIV or I am unable to do? >> Do you have some experience in the bibliography at MKIV? Can you refer >> me to a source of information about this? Submitter thesis has a very >> strict requirement to the list of bibliography. The numbering of >> bibliographic items must be in the same order in which items are used in >> the text. Moreover, in the form of AMS is, [1], [2], etc. I've tried >> many hours, but I am absolutely not able to achieve the required form. I >> do not believe that I will eventually have to write a thesis in LaTeX >> because of the stupid request. >> May possibly be some way around? It occurred to me to do an emergency >> way. I want redefine of the \cite macro to macro \CITE. The \CITE macro >> put me list the order bibliographic items and then I arrange manually a >> list of bibliographic entries. Or exist any external tools for that do it? >> >> Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar > > Your question is kind of vague, so it's difficult to give a meaningful answer. Bibliographies in mkiv work; a few months ago, I finished a scholarly volume with a bibliography of 600 entries. If you have a precise question, you better provide a minimal example and show us what doesn't work (or what you couldn't achieve). If you have worked many hours, you must have something to show. > > Best > > Thomas > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________