* Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? @ 2012-02-28 18:12 Jaroslav Hajtmar 2012-02-28 19:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2012-02-28 19:25 ` Stefan Müller 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Jaroslav Hajtmar @ 2012-02-28 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hello ConTeXist.. I have an unusual question: Is it bibliography really such a big problem for MKIV or I am unable to do? Do you have some experience in the bibliography at MKIV? Can you refer me to a source of information about this? Submitter thesis has a very strict requirement to the list of bibliography. The numbering of bibliographic items must be in the same order in which items are used in the text. Moreover, in the form of AMS is, [1], [2], etc. I've tried many hours, but I am absolutely not able to achieve the required form. I do not believe that I will eventually have to write a thesis in LaTeX because of the stupid request. May possibly be some way around? It occurred to me to do an emergency way. I want redefine of the \cite macro to macro \CITE. The \CITE macro put me list the order bibliographic items and then I arrange manually a list of bibliographic entries. Or exist any external tools for that do it? Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? 2012-02-28 18:12 Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? Jaroslav Hajtmar @ 2012-02-28 19:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2012-02-29 20:43 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar [not found] ` <4F4E8B81.6080804@gyza.cz> 2012-02-28 19:25 ` Stefan Müller 1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-02-28 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: hajtmar, mailing list for ConTeXt users On 2/28/12 7:12 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: > Hello ConTeXist.. > > I have an unusual question: Is it bibliography really such a big problem > for MKIV or I am unable to do? > Do you have some experience in the bibliography at MKIV? Can you refer > me to a source of information about this? Submitter thesis has a very > strict requirement to the list of bibliography. The numbering of > bibliographic items must be in the same order in which items are used in > the text. Moreover, in the form of AMS is, [1], [2], etc. I've tried > many hours, but I am absolutely not able to achieve the required form. I > do not believe that I will eventually have to write a thesis in LaTeX > because of the stupid request. > May possibly be some way around? It occurred to me to do an emergency > way. I want redefine of the \cite macro to macro \CITE. The \CITE macro > put me list the order bibliographic items and then I arrange manually a > list of bibliographic entries. Or exist any external tools for that do it? > > Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar Your question is kind of vague, so it's difficult to give a meaningful answer. Bibliographies in mkiv work; a few months ago, I finished a scholarly volume with a bibliography of 600 entries. If you have a precise question, you better provide a minimal example and show us what doesn't work (or what you couldn't achieve). If you have worked many hours, you must have something to show. Best Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? 2012-02-28 19:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-02-29 20:43 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar [not found] ` <4F4E8B81.6080804@gyza.cz> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Jaroslav Hajtmar @ 2012-02-29 20:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas A. Schmitz; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hello Thomas. Thanks for your interest in my problem. My problem is that while simple basic aplication works fine, in complex applications (including components, images, tables etc) is not bibliography in the correct order, or there are errors in the references to literature. During looking for the bugs spent much time, but to no avail. It seems that somewhere there is a collision, which affects at first glance unrelated things. When I bring a functional solution of a simple example to complex applications, then it stops working. One of the examples of strange collision I sent recently to the conference (I send you it again). Captions of figures come in a special way to the list of bibliography (as you see in the examples). I'm trying to gradually phase out the activities section of code to find out what causes problems. So far to no avail! Find a minimal example of when it stops working is not so simple. In the meantime, perhaps enough to figure out why there is a mixing of captions of figures with a list of literature. The original project was done in MKII, where it worked somehow fine. In the MKIV I am not able to win over that bibliography. When bibliography is working then at the expense of something else. I send a few of simple minimal examples (including the resulting PDF files.) in http://public.hajtmar.com/files/tex/context/ntg-context/files-21-02-2012.zip Can be some things (components, titles, sectioning, buffering) that could affect the list of bibliography? Many thanx Jaroslav Dne 28.2.2012 20:19, Thomas A. Schmitz napsal(a): > On 2/28/12 7:12 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: >> Hello ConTeXist.. >> >> I have an unusual question: Is it bibliography really such a big problem >> for MKIV or I am unable to do? >> Do you have some experience in the bibliography at MKIV? Can you refer >> me to a source of information about this? Submitter thesis has a very >> strict requirement to the list of bibliography. The numbering of >> bibliographic items must be in the same order in which items are used in >> the text. Moreover, in the form of AMS is, [1], [2], etc. I've tried >> many hours, but I am absolutely not able to achieve the required form. I >> do not believe that I will eventually have to write a thesis in LaTeX >> because of the stupid request. >> May possibly be some way around? It occurred to me to do an emergency >> way. I want redefine of the \cite macro to macro \CITE. The \CITE macro >> put me list the order bibliographic items and then I arrange manually a >> list of bibliographic entries. Or exist any external tools for that do it? >> >> Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar > > Your question is kind of vague, so it's difficult to give a meaningful answer. Bibliographies in mkiv work; a few months ago, I finished a scholarly volume with a bibliography of 600 entries. If you have a precise question, you better provide a minimal example and show us what doesn't work (or what you couldn't achieve). If you have worked many hours, you must have something to show. > > Best > > Thomas > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* Re: Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? [not found] ` <4F4E8B81.6080804@gyza.cz> @ 2012-03-01 9:08 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2012-03-01 9:49 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-03-01 9:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: hajtmar; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 02/29/2012 09:33 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: > Hello Thomas. > Thanks for your interest in my problem. > > My problem is that while simple basic aplication works fine, in complex > applications (including components, images, tables etc) is not > bibliography in the correct order, or there are errors in the references > to literature. I had a look at your examples. First, if the sequence of cited items is important for you (and it is because you want sorttype=cite), I wouldn't put citations and figures into a buffer, that's asking for trouble. That leaves the problem with a \cite command within a caption. This looks like a real bug to me; I hope Hans has the time to look into it. The minimal example is: \setupbibtex[database=sample] \setuppublications[alternative=ams, sorttype=cite] \starttext citations are \cite[hh2010b] and \cite[hh2010a]. \placefigure[force][fig1]{Caption of figure \cite[Eijkhout1991]} {\externalfigure[fig1]} \placepublications[criterium=cite] \stoptext All best Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? 2012-03-01 9:08 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-03-01 9:49 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar 2012-03-01 10:09 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Jaroslav Hajtmar @ 2012-03-01 9:49 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Thanx Thomas Thank you dealt with my problem. Maybe I'm the first to met this bug (if a mistake is it). Regarding the use of buffers: I'll have to remake it, because everything I have in principle based just on buffers. If I could not give a citation link to figure caption then would be a huge problem. I'd probably have to deal manually finding bibliography items and direct write its numbers into captions to square brackets (ie without cite referencing). Although I do not think, it could cause this problem. He is occurs even if the citation not appears in caption of figure. For me it is now very unfortunate that the thesis supervisor requires strict order of bibliography as I wrote. I'll try to wait for a possible correction, or try about hundred bibliographic items rearrange "manually" so that it will by his requirement. Once again, many thanks. With greetings Jaroslav Dne 1.3.2012 10:08, Thomas A. Schmitz napsal(a): > On 02/29/2012 09:33 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: >> Hello Thomas. >> Thanks for your interest in my problem. >> >> My problem is that while simple basic aplication works fine, in complex >> applications (including components, images, tables etc) is not >> bibliography in the correct order, or there are errors in the references >> to literature. > > I had a look at your examples. First, if the sequence of cited items > is important for you (and it is because you want sorttype=cite), I > wouldn't put citations and figures into a buffer, that's asking for > trouble. That leaves the problem with a \cite command within a > caption. This looks like a real bug to me; I hope Hans has the time to > look into it. The minimal example is: > > \setupbibtex[database=sample] > \setuppublications[alternative=ams, sorttype=cite] > > \starttext > citations are \cite[hh2010b] and \cite[hh2010a]. > > \placefigure[force][fig1]{Caption of figure \cite[Eijkhout1991]} > {\externalfigure[fig1]} > > \placepublications[criterium=cite] > > \stoptext > > All best > > Thomas > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? 2012-03-01 9:49 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar @ 2012-03-01 10:09 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2012-03-01 11:09 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-03-01 10:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: hajtmar, mailing list for ConTeXt users On 03/01/2012 10:49 AM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: > Thanx Thomas > Thank you dealt with my problem. Maybe I'm the first to met this bug (if > a mistake is it). > Regarding the use of buffers: I'll have to remake it, because everything > I have in principle based just on buffers. > If I could not give a citation link to figure caption then would be a > huge problem. I'd probably have to deal manually finding bibliography > items and direct write its numbers into captions to square brackets (ie > without cite referencing). Although I do not think, it could cause this > problem. He is occurs even if the citation not appears in caption of > figure. > > For me it is now very unfortunate that the thesis supervisor requires > strict order of bibliography as I wrote. I'll try to wait for a possible > correction, or try about hundred bibliographic items rearrange > "manually" so that it will by his requirement. > Once again, many thanks. > With greetings Jaroslav Yes, it looks like nobody put \cite into captions before you, but I can imagine that this is a fairly normal requirement in the sciences. So this should in fact work, and you shouldn't have to do this manually, this is a bug and should be fixed. The question is a bit how urgently you need it. The bibliography mkiv code is something that only Hans can touch, so the fix will come, but it will probably take him some time. Best wishes Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? 2012-03-01 10:09 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-03-01 11:09 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Jaroslav Hajtmar @ 2012-03-01 11:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas A. Schmitz; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hello Thomas, I have experimented a bit and found that the problem is not in the presence of citation in the caption of figure. It seems that the problem does not occur only when you insert a figure without caption. See the following example: Jaroslav \setupbibtex[database=sample] \setuppublications[alternative=ams, sorttype=cite] \starttext citations are \cite[hh2010b] and \cite[hh2010a]. % \placefigure[force][fig1]{Caption of figure \cite[Eijkhout1991] with citation} % with problem % {\externalfigure[fig1]} % \placefigure[force, none][fig1]{} %Figure without caption - no problem with bibliography % {\externalfigure[fig1]} \placefigure[force][fig1]{Caption of figure without citation} % with problem too {\externalfigure[fig1]} \placepublications[criterium=cite] \stoptext Dne 1.3.2012 11:09, Thomas A. Schmitz napsal(a): > On 03/01/2012 10:49 AM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: >> Thanx Thomas >> Thank you dealt with my problem. Maybe I'm the first to met this bug (if >> a mistake is it). >> Regarding the use of buffers: I'll have to remake it, because everything >> I have in principle based just on buffers. >> If I could not give a citation link to figure caption then would be a >> huge problem. I'd probably have to deal manually finding bibliography >> items and direct write its numbers into captions to square brackets (ie >> without cite referencing). Although I do not think, it could cause this >> problem. He is occurs even if the citation not appears in caption of >> figure. >> >> For me it is now very unfortunate that the thesis supervisor requires >> strict order of bibliography as I wrote. I'll try to wait for a possible >> correction, or try about hundred bibliographic items rearrange >> "manually" so that it will by his requirement. >> Once again, many thanks. >> With greetings Jaroslav > > Yes, it looks like nobody put \cite into captions before you, but I > can imagine that this is a fairly normal requirement in the sciences. > So this should in fact work, and you shouldn't have to do this > manually, this is a bug and should be fixed. The question is a bit how > urgently you need it. The bibliography mkiv code is something that > only Hans can touch, so the fix will come, but it will probably take > him some time. > > Best wishes > > Thomas > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? 2012-02-28 18:12 Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV? Jaroslav Hajtmar 2012-02-28 19:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-02-28 19:25 ` Stefan Müller 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Stefan Müller @ 2012-02-28 19:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi, have you tried the following? \setuppublications[alternative=ams, refcommand=num] This sets the default cite style to [1], [2], ... You can also see http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography and the bib module manual which is linked from there. Sorting the citations by the order in the text are the default behavior, it could be set (in \setuppublications) with sorttype=cite. Hope that helps, Stefan. On 28.02.2012 19:12, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: > Hello ConTeXist.. > > I have an unusual question: Is it bibliography really such a big problem > for MKIV or I am unable to do? > Do you have some experience in the bibliography at MKIV? Can you refer > me to a source of information about this? Submitter thesis has a very > strict requirement to the list of bibliography. The numbering of > bibliographic items must be in the same order in which items are used in > the text. Moreover, in the form of AMS is, [1], [2], etc. I've tried > many hours, but I am absolutely not able to achieve the required form. I > do not believe that I will eventually have to write a thesis in LaTeX > because of the stupid request. > May possibly be some way around? It occurred to me to do an emergency > way. I want redefine of the \cite macro to macro \CITE. The \CITE macro > put me list the order bibliographic items and then I arrange manually a > list of bibliographic entries. Or exist any external tools for that do it? > > Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry > to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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