* "standard" for bibliographies
@ 2012-05-10 11:29 Mojca Miklavec
2012-05-10 11:35 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-05-10 11:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
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There used to be discussions about some "common standard" for storing
bibliographies.
I'm testing
http://www.mendeley.com/
and would like to export to ConTeXt-friendly database (bibtex export
is supported). It seems that for that one would have to use
http://citationstyles.org/
so I will try to figure out if "The Citation Style Language" can be
used to export data to what is currently required by ConTeXt. But if
you are thinking about xml-based format for the future, it might be
worth taking a look at the second website.
Mojca
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* Re: "standard" for bibliographies
2012-05-10 11:29 "standard" for bibliographies Mojca Miklavec
@ 2012-05-10 11:35 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2012-05-10 11:48 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-05-10 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 05/10/2012 01:29 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> There used to be discussions about some "common standard" for storing
> bibliographies.
>
> I'm testing
> http://www.mendeley.com/
> and would like to export to ConTeXt-friendly database (bibtex export
> is supported). It seems that for that one would have to use
> http://citationstyles.org/
> so I will try to figure out if "The Citation Style Language" can be
> used to export data to what is currently required by ConTeXt. But if
> you are thinking about xml-based format for the future, it might be
> worth taking a look at the second website.
Just a very quick note: CSL has been developed by Bruce D'Arcus, who
used to be pretty active on the context list a couple of years ago, so
you might be able to get some help there. I tried using zotero for a
while and also looked at CSL, but in the end, I gave up. It is based on
xml, but I couldn't get my head around it and was just hitting too many
limitations. But that may have been me, maybe you have more success!
All best
Thomas
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* Re: "standard" for bibliographies
2012-05-10 11:35 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2012-05-10 11:48 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2012-05-10 17:25 ` Pontus Lurcock
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-05-10 11:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 05/10/2012 01:35 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> but I couldn't get my head around it and was just hitting too many
> limitations
And a short follow-up (because Mojca's question made me google this
again): one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for
cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a chapter
in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list). This has been
asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer 2007: yes, this is
coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs support from CSL, and may be
a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests, no reply. 2012, one of the
developers: not any time soon... This makes CSL worthless to me, I'm
afraid. Reference (there are more threads):
http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/3031/book-section-link-to-book-entered-once/
Thomas
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* Re: "standard" for bibliographies
2012-05-10 11:48 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2012-05-10 17:25 ` Pontus Lurcock
2012-05-10 20:10 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Pontus Lurcock @ 2012-05-10 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On Thu 10 May 2012, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for
> cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a
> chapter in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list).
> This has been asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer
> 2007: yes, this is coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs
> support from CSL, and may be a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests,
> no reply. 2012, one of the developers: not any time soon... This
> makes CSL worthless to me, I'm afraid.
This is certainly a limitation for Zotero (I noticed it as well when I
tried it out a little while ago) but I'm not sure that it's a problem
for CSL. As I understand it, CSL defines formatting for typeset
citations and bibliography entries. It's not meant to handle tasks
such as cross-referencing chapter entries to their book entries --
that should be the job of the software (Zotero, Mendeley, etc.) which
is using CSL for its formatting. My experience with CSL is limited,
though, so I could be wrong about this.
At any rate, CSL seems to be achieving a critical mass of usage and
support, and there's a huge number of predefined, publicly available
styles ( https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki ).
Pont
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* Re: "standard" for bibliographies
2012-05-10 17:25 ` Pontus Lurcock
@ 2012-05-10 20:10 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-05-10 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 10-5-2012 19:25, Pontus Lurcock wrote:
> On Thu 10 May 2012, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
>> one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for
>> cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a
>> chapter in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list).
>> This has been asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer
>> 2007: yes, this is coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs
>> support from CSL, and may be a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests,
>> no reply. 2012, one of the developers: not any time soon... This
>> makes CSL worthless to me, I'm afraid.
>
> This is certainly a limitation for Zotero (I noticed it as well when I
> tried it out a little while ago) but I'm not sure that it's a problem
> for CSL. As I understand it, CSL defines formatting for typeset
> citations and bibliography entries. It's not meant to handle tasks
> such as cross-referencing chapter entries to their book entries --
> that should be the job of the software (Zotero, Mendeley, etc.) which
> is using CSL for its formatting. My experience with CSL is limited,
> though, so I could be wrong about this.
>
> At any rate, CSL seems to be achieving a critical mass of usage and
> support, and there's a huge number of predefined, publicly available
> styles ( https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki ).
It should not be that hard to support it if only I had a reason to spend
time on it (as I never need to use citations etc).
Hans
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