From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/76137 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: "standard" for bibliographies Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FAC20B3.8050205@wxs.nl> References: <4FABA803.1070509@uni-bonn.de> <4FABAAF8.3050005@uni-bonn.de> <20120510172511.GL31075@rae.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336680650 27427 80.91.229.3 (10 May 2012 20:10:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Pontus Lurcock To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu May 10 22:10:49 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SSZhJ-0002IV-5z for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DF2101CF; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3eyGhpiUI9Oz; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB81101E2; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC68D101E2 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 5ZPnLccLMlWl for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (filter2-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.70]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E581101CF for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q4AKAh5O028387 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:43 +0200 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.101; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.101] (unverified [10.100.1.101]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 5.3h2) with ESMTP (TLS) id 708-1713362 for multiple; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:39 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20120510172511.GL31075@rae.vm.bytemark.co.uk> X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=03; city=Hattem; latitude=52.4724; longitude=6.0696; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.4724,6.0696&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0QH8kaHJN - 866f93407256 - 20120510 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.70 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:76137 Archived-At: On 10-5-2012 19:25, Pontus Lurcock wrote: > On Thu 10 May 2012, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > >> one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for >> cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a >> chapter in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list). >> This has been asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer >> 2007: yes, this is coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs >> support from CSL, and may be a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests, >> no reply. 2012, one of the developers: not any time soon... This >> makes CSL worthless to me, I'm afraid. > > This is certainly a limitation for Zotero (I noticed it as well when I > tried it out a little while ago) but I'm not sure that it's a problem > for CSL. As I understand it, CSL defines formatting for typeset > citations and bibliography entries. It's not meant to handle tasks > such as cross-referencing chapter entries to their book entries -- > that should be the job of the software (Zotero, Mendeley, etc.) which > is using CSL for its formatting. My experience with CSL is limited, > though, so I could be wrong about this. > > At any rate, CSL seems to be achieving a critical mass of usage and > support, and there's a huge number of predefined, publicly available > styles ( https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki ). It should not be that hard to support it if only I had a reason to spend time on it (as I never need to use citations etc). 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