Small integral signes with Palatino

Small integral signes with Palatino

[Tim Steenvoorden]

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Dear list,

Have some problems with the latest beta. I get small integral signs
when using Palatino math (see minimal example in attachment). Any
clou?

ConTeXt version: 2012.05.18 23:50, Mac OS X 10.6.8

Regards,
Tim

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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Tim Steenvoorden]

Hi all,

I'm still struggling with the same issue in 2012.05.24. Anyone?

Cheers,
Tim


2012/5/20 Tim Steenvoorden <tim.steenvoorden@gmail.com>:
> Dear list,
>
> Have some problems with the latest beta. I get small integral signs
> when using Palatino math (see minimal example in attachment). Any
> clou?
>
> ConTeXt version: 2012.05.18 23:50, Mac OS X 10.6.8
>
> Regards,
> Tim
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[luigi scarso]

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Tim Steenvoorden
<tim.steenvoorden@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm still struggling with the same issue in 2012.05.24. Anyone?
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
Yes ---  sorry, I can only confirm your issue.
-- 
luigi
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Thu, 24 May 2012, luigi scarso wrote:

> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Tim Steenvoorden
> <tim.steenvoorden@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm still struggling with the same issue in 2012.05.24. Anyone?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
> Yes ---  sorry, I can only confirm your issue.

Any idea when this was introduced (or if this bug was always present)? I 
think that adding a patch to px-math.cfg to scale DisplayOperatorMinHeight 
should fix it; but I don't have the time to look into this right now.

Aditya
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Tim Steenvoorden]

Sorry, can't help with that. The first ConTeXt beta I tested for
TeXLive 2012 is 2012.05.14. Before that I used 2011.05.18 from TeXLive
2011.

Tim


2012/5/24 Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>:
> On Thu, 24 May 2012, luigi scarso wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Tim Steenvoorden
>> <tim.steenvoorden@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm still struggling with the same issue in 2012.05.24. Anyone?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tim
>>
>> Yes ---  sorry, I can only confirm your issue.
>
>
> Any idea when this was introduced (or if this bug was always present)? I
> think that adding a patch to px-math.cfg to scale DisplayOperatorMinHeight
> should fix it; but I don't have the time to look into this right now.
>
> Aditya
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
> Any idea when this was introduced (or if this bug was always present)?

beta 2011.07.14 16:09

(https://github.com/mojca/context/commit/58e91401c966ea58ff13645addf05f8f1c506c0e
or
http://gitorious.org/context/context/commit/06c7a7fdaac34512cdc3ff250dec5b1a7ab3052a/diffs/a8d0a863d99794b231e58c0e8945448c19bd6215
that's not able to display any given diff of ConTeXt releases)

Go figure. There's nothing obviously math-related in there at all.

Mojca
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>
>> Any idea when this was introduced (or if this bug was always present)?
>
> beta 2011.07.14 16:09

Oh, I'm sorry, nonsense. That was the last working one. The one
introducing the bug was
    2011.07.19 10:35

https://github.com/mojca/context/commit/a3f9fa299ecc3c9d8c3989c6e219dd9a1bcefaa1

In that version the functionality was completely broken (overlapping
limits), then it improved with time a bit, but never recovered
properly back.

Mojca
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Hans Hagen]

On 25-5-2012 00:13, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>>
>>> Any idea when this was introduced (or if this bug was always present)?
>>
>> beta 2011.07.14 16:09
>
> Oh, I'm sorry, nonsense. That was the last working one. The one
> introducing the bug was
>      2011.07.19 10:35
>
> https://github.com/mojca/context/commit/a3f9fa299ecc3c9d8c3989c6e219dd9a1bcefaa1
>
> In that version the functionality was completely broken (overlapping
> limits), then it improved with time a bit, but never recovered
> properly back.

something math_operator_size and/or DisplayOPeratorMinHEight

(btw, did you stop pushing betas in that hub?)

Hans



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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 25 May 2012, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>>
>>> Any idea when this was introduced (or if this bug was always present)?
>>
>> beta 2011.07.14 16:09
>
> Oh, I'm sorry, nonsense. That was the last working one. The one
> introducing the bug was
>    2011.07.19 10:35
>
> https://github.com/mojca/context/commit/a3f9fa299ecc3c9d8c3989c6e219dd9a1bcefaa1
>
> In that version the functionality was completely broken (overlapping
> limits), then it improved with time a bit, but never recovered
> properly back.

I tested with asana, hoping that opentype fonts will behave better, but 
asana is hopelessly broken in the other direction: too big integrals and 
sums. To fix asana, change

             DisplayOperatorMinHeight         = more,

to

             DisplayOperatorMinHeight         = 0,

(or just comment it) in asana-math.lfg. After that, you can at least use 
asana math as a work around.

Euler and Stix fonts work OK, and surprisingly so is txfonts! I thought 
that px- and tx-fonts were handled identically. Why does the bug only 
appear with px-fonts?

Comparing the two files, I noticed that skewchar is not set in px fonts.
Line 22 of px-math.lfg should be:

                 { name = "texgyrepagella-bold.otf", vector = "tex-bf", skewchar=0x7F } ,

(but even after that change $\hat {\bi A}$ is set incorrectly).

Aditya
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 25 May 2012, Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 25-5-2012 00:13, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Any idea when this was introduced (or if this bug was always present)?
>>> 
>>> beta 2011.07.14 16:09
>> 
>> Oh, I'm sorry, nonsense. That was the last working one. The one
>> introducing the bug was
>>      2011.07.19 10:35
>> 
>> https://github.com/mojca/context/commit/a3f9fa299ecc3c9d8c3989c6e219dd9a1bcefaa1
>> 
>> In that version the functionality was completely broken (overlapping
>> limits), then it improved with time a bit, but never recovered
>> properly back.
>
> something math_operator_size and/or DisplayOPeratorMinHEight

It's more complicated because tx-fonts behaves correctly.

Aditya
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Hans Hagen]

Hi Khaled,

just checking ... did the code related to display operator heights 
change as part of the math cleanup?

Hans




On 25-5-2012 00:40, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2012, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Any idea when this was introduced (or if this bug was always present)?
>>>
>>> beta 2011.07.14 16:09
>>
>> Oh, I'm sorry, nonsense. That was the last working one. The one
>> introducing the bug was
>> 2011.07.19 10:35
>>
>> https://github.com/mojca/context/commit/a3f9fa299ecc3c9d8c3989c6e219dd9a1bcefaa1
>>
>>
>> In that version the functionality was completely broken (overlapping
>> limits), then it improved with time a bit, but never recovered
>> properly back.
>
> I tested with asana, hoping that opentype fonts will behave better, but
> asana is hopelessly broken in the other direction: too big integrals and
> sums. To fix asana, change
>
> DisplayOperatorMinHeight = more,
>
> to
>
> DisplayOperatorMinHeight = 0,
>
> (or just comment it) in asana-math.lfg. After that, you can at least use
> asana math as a work around.
>
> Euler and Stix fonts work OK, and surprisingly so is txfonts! I thought
> that px- and tx-fonts were handled identically. Why does the bug only
> appear with px-fonts?
>
> Comparing the two files, I noticed that skewchar is not set in px fonts.
> Line 22 of px-math.lfg should be:
>
> { name = "texgyrepagella-bold.otf", vector = "tex-bf", skewchar=0x7F } ,
>
> (but even after that change $\hat {\bi A}$ is set incorrectly).
>
> Aditya
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Khaled Hosny]

AFAIK, no.

The code that handles extensible delimiters changed, but IIUC
we are not talking about extensible symbol here.

Regards,
 Khaled

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 01:13:10AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Hi Khaled,
> 
> just checking ... did the code related to display operator heights
> change as part of the math cleanup?
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 25-5-2012 00:40, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> >On Fri, 25 May 2012, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> >>>On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Any idea when this was introduced (or if this bug was always present)?
> >>>
> >>>beta 2011.07.14 16:09
> >>
> >>Oh, I'm sorry, nonsense. That was the last working one. The one
> >>introducing the bug was
> >>2011.07.19 10:35
> >>
> >>https://github.com/mojca/context/commit/a3f9fa299ecc3c9d8c3989c6e219dd9a1bcefaa1
> >>
> >>
> >>In that version the functionality was completely broken (overlapping
> >>limits), then it improved with time a bit, but never recovered
> >>properly back.
> >
> >I tested with asana, hoping that opentype fonts will behave better, but
> >asana is hopelessly broken in the other direction: too big integrals and
> >sums. To fix asana, change
> >
> >DisplayOperatorMinHeight = more,
> >
> >to
> >
> >DisplayOperatorMinHeight = 0,
> >
> >(or just comment it) in asana-math.lfg. After that, you can at least use
> >asana math as a work around.
> >
> >Euler and Stix fonts work OK, and surprisingly so is txfonts! I thought
> >that px- and tx-fonts were handled identically. Why does the bug only
> >appear with px-fonts?
> >
> >Comparing the two files, I noticed that skewchar is not set in px fonts.
> >Line 22 of px-math.lfg should be:
> >
> >{ name = "texgyrepagella-bold.otf", vector = "tex-bf", skewchar=0x7F } ,
> >
> >(but even after that change $\hat {\bi A}$ is set incorrectly).
> >
> >Aditya
> >___________________________________________________________________________________
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> >
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Hans Hagen]

On 25-5-2012 00:40, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> I tested with asana, hoping that opentype fonts will behave better, but
> asana is hopelessly broken in the other direction: too big integrals and
> sums. To fix asana, change
>
> DisplayOperatorMinHeight = more,
>
> to
>
> DisplayOperatorMinHeight = 0,

fixed

> { name = "texgyrepagella-bold.otf", vector = "tex-bf", skewchar=0x7F } ,
>
> (but even after that change $\hat {\bi A}$ is set incorrectly).

fixed

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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Hans Hagen]

On 25-5-2012 00:43, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> It's more complicated because tx-fonts behaves correctly.

indeed, and I always thought that these fonts were similar in setup

Hans

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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Tim Steenvoorden]

Still get a small integral sign in the latest beta (2012.05.26 16:40).
Times works perfectly. Am I doing something wrong here?

\definetypeface[palatino][rm][serif][palatino]
\definetypeface[palatino][mm][math][palatino]

\setupbodyfont[palatino]

\starttext

\startformula
\int_0^\infty \frac{1}{x} {\rm d} x
\stopformula

\stoptext

Cheers,
Tim


2012/5/25 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> On 25-5-2012 00:43, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
>> It's more complicated because tx-fonts behaves correctly.
>
>
> indeed, and I always thought that these fonts were similar in setup
>
>
> Hans
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[luigi scarso]

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Tim Steenvoorden
<tim.steenvoorden@gmail.com> wrote:
> Still get a small integral sign in the latest beta (2012.05.26 16:40).
> Times works perfectly. Am I doing something wrong here?
>
> \definetypeface[palatino][rm][serif][palatino]
> \definetypeface[palatino][mm][math][palatino]
>
> \setupbodyfont[palatino]
>
> \starttext
>
> \startformula
> \int_0^\infty \frac{1}{x} {\rm d} x
> \stopformula
>
> \stoptext
confirmed (again)
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[luigi scarso]

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:31 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Tim Steenvoorden
> <tim.steenvoorden@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Still get a small integral sign in the latest beta (2012.05.26 16:40).
>> Times works perfectly. Am I doing something wrong here?
>>
>> \definetypeface[palatino][rm][serif][palatino]
>> \definetypeface[palatino][mm][math][palatino]
>>
>> \setupbodyfont[palatino]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \startformula
>> \int_0^\infty \frac{1}{x} {\rm d} x
>> \stopformula
>>
>> \stoptext
> confirmed (again)
Stupid question: why we are not using
texgyrepagella-math-regular.otf
?


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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[luigi scarso]

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 7:50 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:31 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Tim Steenvoorden
>> <tim.steenvoorden@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Still get a small integral sign in the latest beta (2012.05.26 16:40).
>>> Times works perfectly. Am I doing something wrong here?
>>>
>>> \definetypeface[palatino][rm][serif][palatino]
>>> \definetypeface[palatino][mm][math][palatino]
>>>
>>> \setupbodyfont[palatino]
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>>
>>> \startformula
>>> \int_0^\infty \frac{1}{x} {\rm d} x
>>> \stopformula
>>>
>>> \stoptext
>> confirmed (again)
> Stupid question: why we are not using
> texgyrepagella-math-regular.otf
> ?
>
>
> --
> luigi

Different, but still wrong

\unprotect
\starttypescript [\s!math] [palatinomath]
 \definefontsynonym [PalatinoMath] [\s!file:texgyrepagella-math-regular.otf]
\stoptypescript
 \starttypescript [\s!math] [palatinomath] [\s!name]
 \definefontsynonym [MathRoman] [PalatinoMath]
[\s!features=\s!math\mathsizesuffix]
 \stoptypescript
 \starttypescript [PalatinoTest]
 \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [\s!rm] [\s!serif] [palatino] [\s!default]
 \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [\s!mm] [\s!math]  [palatinomath]
[\s!default]
 \quittypescriptscanning
 \stoptypescript
\protect

\usetypescript[PalatinoTest]
\setupbodyfont[PalatinoTest,12pt]
\starttext
\input knuth \par
\startformula
\int_0^\infty \frac{1}{x} {\rm d} x
\stopformula
\stoptext


-- 
luigi
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 28 May 2012, luigi scarso wrote:

> Different, but still wrong
>
> \unprotect
> \starttypescript [\s!math] [palatinomath]
> \definefontsynonym [PalatinoMath] [\s!file:texgyrepagella-math-regular.otf]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [\s!math] [palatinomath] [\s!name]
> \definefontsynonym [MathRoman] [PalatinoMath]
> [\s!features=\s!math\mathsizesuffix]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [PalatinoTest]
> \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [\s!rm] [\s!serif] [palatino] [\s!default]
> \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [\s!mm] [\s!math]  [palatinomath]
> [\s!default]
> \quittypescriptscanning
> \stoptypescript
> \protect
>
> \usetypescript[PalatinoTest]
> \setupbodyfont[PalatinoTest,12pt]
> \starttext
> \input knuth \par
> \startformula
> \int_0^\infty \frac{1}{x} {\rm d} x
> \stopformula
> \stoptext

In this case \int and \sum are of the same size, so it appears as a design 
choice, and more importantly, we can patch the font to change 
DisplayOperatorMinHeight.

BTW, what is the status of Pagella Math? Should we default to that instead 
of px-fonts?

Aditya
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Steve Peter]

On May 27, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> BTW, what is the status of Pagella Math?

 Nearly complete from what I hear.

Steve
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
> BTW, what is the status of Pagella Math? Should we default to that instead
> of px-fonts?

Pagella didn't get much testing so far, it has not even been imported
into TeX Live yet and it didn't get on CTAN yet. There are some known
issues (Hans wrote some workarounds, but from what Khaled wrote
LuaLaTeX still bails out.)

I would prefer to have support for px fixed (which probably has to be
done anyway) and switch to pagella soon after TL freeze, rather then
get completely unexpected surprizes.

Mojca
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Hans Hagen]

On 28-5-2012 01:27, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2012, luigi scarso wrote:
>
>> Different, but still wrong
>>
>> \unprotect
>> \starttypescript [\s!math] [palatinomath]
>> \definefontsynonym [PalatinoMath]
>> [\s!file:texgyrepagella-math-regular.otf]
>> \stoptypescript
>> \starttypescript [\s!math] [palatinomath] [\s!name]
>> \definefontsynonym [MathRoman] [PalatinoMath]
>> [\s!features=\s!math\mathsizesuffix]
>> \stoptypescript
>> \starttypescript [PalatinoTest]
>> \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [\s!rm] [\s!serif] [palatino]
>> [\s!default]
>> \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [\s!mm] [\s!math] [palatinomath]
>> [\s!default]
>> \quittypescriptscanning
>> \stoptypescript
>> \protect
>>
>> \usetypescript[PalatinoTest]
>> \setupbodyfont[PalatinoTest,12pt]
>> \starttext
>> \input knuth \par
>> \startformula
>> \int_0^\infty \frac{1}{x} {\rm d} x
>> \stopformula
>> \stoptext
>
> In this case \int and \sum are of the same size, so it appears as a
> design choice, and more importantly, we can patch the font to change
> DisplayOperatorMinHeight.

It's really weird ... in the virtual font builder we have

DisplayOperatorMinHeight  = t . math_operator_size    . text_style

and there has been a good reason for this otherwise it would not be 
there. For the normal (12pt) size this becomes 1040448 for px as well as 
tx. Both fonts (when looking at them with \showfont[pxex.tfm] etc have 
the same shapes.

Concerning the rest of the parameters, only for this case irrelevant 
differ a bit.

% name px tx

% RadicalRuleThickness	46399	44040	2359
% FractionDenominatorDisplayStyleGapMin	139197	132120	7077
% OverbarVerticalGap	139197	132120	7077
% RadicalDisplayStyleVerticalGap	133103	130744	2359
% UnderbarVerticalGap	139197	132120	7077
% FractionNumeratorGapMin	46399	44040	2359
% OverbarRuleThickness	46399	44040	2359
% StackGapMin	139197	132120	7077
% RadicalVerticalGap	57998.75	55050	2948.75
% StackDisplayStyleGapMin	324793	308280	16513
% AccentBaseHeight	353107.968	353894.4	-786.43200000003
% FractionRuleThickness	46399	44040	2359
% FractionDenominatorGapMin	46399	44040	2359
% OverbarExtraAscender	46399	44040	2359
% SubSuperscriptGapMin	185596	176160	9436
% MinConnectorOverlap	11599.75	11010	589.75
% FractionNumeratorDisplayStyleGapMin	139197	132120	7077
% UnderbarRuleThickness	46399	44040	2359
% RadicalExtraAscender	46399	44040	2359

So, there is no real reason for px to behave different than tx. However, 
when we nil DisplayOperatorMinHeight we get the scaled glyph. Okay, we 
could have threshold issue but even putting some real large math mess 
after itm it will not bump to the next size shape (there is only one 
larger size btw) .. puzzling

> BTW, what is the status of Pagella Math? Should we default to that
> instead of px-fonts?

not yet

Hans

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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Herbert Voss]

Steve Peter schrieb:
>
> On May 27, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
>> BTW, what is the status of Pagella Math?
>
>  Nearly complete from what I hear.

it is available from CTAN:
http://CTAN.ORG/tex-archive/fonts/tex-gyre-math

Herbert


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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Tim Steenvoorden]

The integral sign is now big enough, but spacing between the sign and
its bounds is too large... (In the px-font.)

Cheers,
Tim


2012/5/29 Herbert Voss <Herbert.Voss@fu-berlin.de>:
>
> Steve Peter schrieb:
>>
>> On May 27, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, what is the status of Pagella Math?
>>
>>  Nearly complete from what I hear.
>
> it is available from CTAN:
> http://CTAN.ORG/tex-archive/fonts/tex-gyre-math
>
> Herbert
>
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Re: Small integral signes with Palatino

[Tim Steenvoorden]

The same is true for other mathfonts discussed in the thread "Math
fonts in TeXLive 2012".

Cheers,
Tim


2012/5/29 Tim Steenvoorden <tim.steenvoorden@gmail.com>:
> The integral sign is now big enough, but spacing between the sign and
> its bounds is too large... (In the px-font.)
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
>
> 2012/5/29 Herbert Voss <Herbert.Voss@fu-berlin.de>:
>>
>> Steve Peter schrieb:
>>>
>>> On May 27, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW, what is the status of Pagella Math?
>>>
>>>  Nearly complete from what I hear.
>>
>> it is available from CTAN:
>> http://CTAN.ORG/tex-archive/fonts/tex-gyre-math
>>
>> Herbert
>>
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