* setupbars
@ 2012-07-08 20:24 Meer, H. van der
2012-07-08 20:44 ` setupbars Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Meer, H. van der @ 2012-07-08 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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This gives an error:
\starttext
\setupbars[rulethickness=4pt]
\stoptext
! LuaTeX error <main ctx instance>:1: malformed number near '4pt'.
ConTeXt ver: 2012.07.04 23:48 MKIV fmt: 2012.7.6 int: english/english
Elsewhere this is ok, as for example in: \framed[rulethickness=4pt]{}
Strangely in node-rul.mkiv I see: \c!rulethickness=2.5
whereas in pack-rul.mkiv: \c!rulethickness=\linewidth
I am inclined to spot an error here, or at least an inconsistency in the API.
Hans van der Meer
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* Re: setupbars
2012-07-08 20:24 setupbars Meer, H. van der
@ 2012-07-08 20:44 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2012-07-08 21:40 ` setupbars Meer, H. van der
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2012-07-08 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 08.07.2012 um 22:24 schrieb Meer, H. van der:
> This gives an error:
>
> \starttext
> \setupbars[rulethickness=4pt]
> \stoptext
>
> ! LuaTeX error <main ctx instance>:1: malformed number near '4pt'.
> ConTeXt ver: 2012.07.04 23:48 MKIV fmt: 2012.7.6 int: english/english
>
> Elsewhere this is ok, as for example in: \framed[rulethickness=4pt]{}
> Strangely in node-rul.mkiv I see: \c!rulethickness=2.5
> whereas in pack-rul.mkiv: \c!rulethickness=\linewidth
>
> I am inclined to spot an error here, or at least an inconsistency in the API.
\setupbars[rulethickness=0.5]
\starttext
\setupbars[unit=ex]\underbar{ex}
\setupbars[unit=em]\underbar{em}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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* Re: setupbars
2012-07-08 20:44 ` setupbars Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2012-07-08 21:40 ` Meer, H. van der
2012-07-09 7:09 ` setupbars Meer, H. van der
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From: Meer, H. van der @ 2012-07-08 21:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thansk,
I see. \setupbars doesn't give a hit on ConTeXt-wiki, so I couldn't find this.
Still I dare say, it is a pity that [rulethickness=] gets a different meaning here than elsewhere. I would like to ask to reconsider, because I strongly believe in consistency in the API (though I am ready to admit that it is not easy to maintain and confess guilty myself at more than one occasion). That is either change all rulethickness's everywhere to this scheme or otherwise. Or did this already happened and did I miss that? And of course, the easiest solution would be if the code itself could sort out the difference between having been given a fraction or a length.
Hans van der Meer
On 8 jul. 2012, at 22:44, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 08.07.2012 um 22:24 schrieb Meer, H. van der:
This gives an error:
\starttext
\setupbars[rulethickness=4pt]
\stoptext
! LuaTeX error <main ctx instance>:1: malformed number near '4pt'.
ConTeXt ver: 2012.07.04 23:48 MKIV fmt: 2012.7.6 int: english/english
Elsewhere this is ok, as for example in: \framed[rulethickness=4pt]{}
Strangely in node-rul.mkiv I see: \c!rulethickness=2.5
whereas in pack-rul.mkiv: \c!rulethickness=\linewidth
I am inclined to spot an error here, or at least an inconsistency in the API.
\setupbars[rulethickness=0.5]
\starttext
\setupbars[unit=ex]\underbar{ex}
\setupbars[unit=em]\underbar{em}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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* Re: setupbars
2012-07-08 21:40 ` setupbars Meer, H. van der
@ 2012-07-09 7:09 ` Meer, H. van der
2012-07-09 7:26 ` setupbars Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Meer, H. van der @ 2012-07-09 7:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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There is still an issue here.
\setupbars[unit=mm,rulethickness=1]
AB\startbar[underbar]CD\stopbar EF\crlf
\setupbars[unit=ex,rulethickness=1]
AB\startbar[underbar]CD\stopbar EF\crlf
\setupbars[unit=pt,rulethickness=1]
AB\startbar[underbar]CD\stopbar EF\crlf
The first and third setup do not give an underbar, the second does.
Question: why does "ex" qualify as a dimension unit but "pt" and "mm" do not? Sounds strange.
If I want an underbar exactly 1mm or 3pt's thick, why isn't that made possible? Doing the math myself is no option, becaus ex will not be known beforehand.
Hans van der Meer
On 8 jul. 2012, at 23:40, Meer, H. van der wrote:
Thansk,
I see. \setupbars doesn't give a hit on ConTeXt-wiki, so I couldn't find this.
Still I dare say, it is a pity that [rulethickness=] gets a different meaning here than elsewhere. I would like to ask to reconsider, because I strongly believe in consistency in the API (though I am ready to admit that it is not easy to maintain and confess guilty myself at more than one occasion). That is either change all rulethickness's everywhere to this scheme or otherwise. Or did this already happened and did I miss that? And of course, the easiest solution would be if the code itself could sort out the difference between having been given a fraction or a length.
Hans van der Meer
On 8 jul. 2012, at 22:44, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 08.07.2012 um 22:24 schrieb Meer, H. van der:
This gives an error:
\starttext
\setupbars[rulethickness=4pt]
\stoptext
! LuaTeX error <main ctx instance>:1: malformed number near '4pt'.
ConTeXt ver: 2012.07.04 23:48 MKIV fmt: 2012.7.6 int: english/english
Elsewhere this is ok, as for example in: \framed[rulethickness=4pt]{}
Strangely in node-rul.mkiv I see: \c!rulethickness=2.5
whereas in pack-rul.mkiv: \c!rulethickness=\linewidth
I am inclined to spot an error here, or at least an inconsistency in the API.
\setupbars[rulethickness=0.5]
\starttext
\setupbars[unit=ex]\underbar{ex}
\setupbars[unit=em]\underbar{em}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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* Re: setupbars
2012-07-09 7:09 ` setupbars Meer, H. van der
@ 2012-07-09 7:26 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2012-07-09 7:38 ` setupbars Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2012-07-09 7:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 09.07.2012 um 09:09 schrieb Meer, H. van der:
> There is still an issue here.
>
> \setupbars[unit=mm,rulethickness=1]
> AB\startbar[underbar]CD\stopbar EF\crlf
> \setupbars[unit=ex,rulethickness=1]
> AB\startbar[underbar]CD\stopbar EF\crlf
> \setupbars[unit=pt,rulethickness=1]
> AB\startbar[underbar]CD\stopbar EF\crlf
>
> The first and third setup do not give an underbar, the second does.
> Question: why does "ex" qualify as a dimension unit but "pt" and "mm" do not? Sounds strange.
>
> If I want an underbar exactly 1mm or 3pt's thick, why isn't that made possible? Doing the math myself is no option, becaus ex will not be known beforehand.
The underlying Lua code accepts only “ex” and “em” as valid options for the “unit” key but I would also vote to accept either “pt”, “mm” etc. as unit value or to allow “rulethickness=…pt”.
Wolfgang
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* Re: setupbars
2012-07-09 7:26 ` setupbars Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2012-07-09 7:38 ` Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
2012-07-09 15:35 ` setupbars Bill Meahan
2012-07-09 22:16 ` setupbars Hans Hagen
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From: Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. @ 2012-07-09 7:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:26:51 +0200, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
> to allow “rulethickness=…pt”.
+1
Lukas
>
> Wolfgang
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* Re: setupbars
2012-07-09 7:26 ` setupbars Wolfgang Schuster
2012-07-09 7:38 ` setupbars Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
@ 2012-07-09 15:35 ` Bill Meahan
2012-07-09 22:16 ` setupbars Hans Hagen
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From: Bill Meahan @ 2012-07-09 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:26:51 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The underlying Lua code accepts only “ex” and “em” as valid options
> for the “unit” key but I would also vote to accept either “pt”, “mm”
> etc. as unit value or to allow “rulethickness=…pt”.
>
> Wolfgang
It proposal has my vote!
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* Re: setupbars
2012-07-09 7:26 ` setupbars Wolfgang Schuster
2012-07-09 7:38 ` setupbars Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
2012-07-09 15:35 ` setupbars Bill Meahan
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-07-09 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 9-7-2012 09:26, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 09.07.2012 um 09:09 schrieb Meer, H. van der:
>
>> There is still an issue here.
>>
>> \setupbars[unit=mm,rulethickness=1]
>> AB\startbar[underbar]CD\stopbar EF\crlf
>> \setupbars[unit=ex,rulethickness=1]
>> AB\startbar[underbar]CD\stopbar EF\crlf
>> \setupbars[unit=pt,rulethickness=1]
>> AB\startbar[underbar]CD\stopbar EF\crlf
>>
>> The first and third setup do not give an underbar, the second does.
>> Question: why does "ex" qualify as a dimension unit but "pt" and "mm" do not? Sounds strange.
>>
>> If I want an underbar exactly 1mm or 3pt's thick, why isn't that made possible? Doing the math myself is no option, becaus ex will not be known beforehand.
>
> The underlying Lua code accepts only “ex” and “em” as valid options for the “unit” key but I would also vote to accept either “pt”, “mm” etc. as unit value or to allow “rulethickness=…pt”.
actually it does accept more units but they were pretty small (needed an
1/u)
anyhow, in the next beta we can do
\starttext
\setupbars[unit=mm,rulethickness=1]
bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
\setupbars[unit=ex,rulethickness=1]
bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
\setupbars[unit=pt,rulethickness=1]
bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
\setupbars[unit=pt,rulethickness=10pt]
bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
\stoptext
but someone has do document it
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* Re: setupbars
2012-07-09 22:16 ` setupbars Hans Hagen
@ 2012-07-10 13:25 ` Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
2012-07-10 14:31 ` setupbars Hans Hagen
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From: Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. @ 2012-07-10 13:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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... OK -
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:16:08 +0200, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> actually it does accept more units but they were pretty small (needed an
> 1/u)
>
> anyhow, in the next beta we can do
>
> \starttext
>
> \setupbars[unit=mm,rulethickness=1] bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
> \setupbars[unit=ex,rulethickness=1] bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
> \setupbars[unit=pt,rulethickness=1] bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
> \setupbars[unit=pt,rulethickness=10pt] bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
>
> \stoptext
Although it's meaningless, what would
\setupbars[unit=mm,rulethickness=10pt] bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
^^ ^^
produce?
Will the following setups be valid in the next beta?
\setupbars[rulethickness=1mm]
\setupbars[rulethickness=1cm]
\setupbars[rulethickness=1in]
\setupbars[rulethickness=1ex]
\setupbars[rulethickness=1pt]
\setupbars[rulethickness=1bp]
Best regards,
Lukas
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* Re: setupbars
2012-07-10 13:25 ` setupbars Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-07-10 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 10-7-2012 15:25, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:
> ... OK -
>
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:16:08 +0200, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>> actually it does accept more units but they were pretty small (needed an
>> 1/u)
>>
>> anyhow, in the next beta we can do
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \setupbars[unit=mm,rulethickness=1]
>> bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
>> \setupbars[unit=ex,rulethickness=1]
>> bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
>> \setupbars[unit=pt,rulethickness=1]
>> bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
>> \setupbars[unit=pt,rulethickness=10pt]
>> bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar bar\blank
>>
>> \stoptext
>
> Although it's meaningless, what would
>
> \setupbars[unit=mm,rulethickness=10pt] bar\startbar[underbar]foo\stopbar
> bar\blank
> ^^ ^^
>
> produce?
>
> Will the following setups be valid in the next beta?
>
> \setupbars[rulethickness=1mm]
> \setupbars[rulethickness=1cm]
> \setupbars[rulethickness=1in]
> \setupbars[rulethickness=1ex]
> \setupbars[rulethickness=1pt]
> \setupbars[rulethickness=1bp]
the unit is uses for consistent stacking of nested bars; in the case of
a unit with rulethickness that one is used for the rules, otherwise the
general unit is applied to the rulethickness
Hans
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