Super- and sub-script in text mode, or, fonts in math mode

Super- and sub-script in text mode, or, fonts in math mode

[James Fisher]

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Hi,


A minor problem: I'm trying to place superscripted text in the text body --
things like '2^nd March'.  I can't see anything like 2{\sup nd}, so my only
known solution at the moment is math mode: $2^{nd}$.  Despite this not being
'math', I don't really have an aversion to it.  However, there's a problem
with it: the superscripted text appears in italic Computer Modern.  I'm
using Gentium Book Basic as my body font, using XeTeX.  The Gentium typeface
is used perfectly everywhere, including the '2' in '2^nd', with the
exception of the superscripted text.

So what solutions are to hand?  Is there either (1) super/sub commands in
text mode, or (2) a way of fixing this in math mode?

(Also, would this be a problem with ConTeXt or with XeTeX?)


James Fisher

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Re: Super- and sub-script in text mode, or, fonts in math mode

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 02.03.10 22:58, schrieb James Fisher:
> Hi,
>
>
> A minor problem: I'm trying to place superscripted text in the text 
> body -- things like '2^nd March'.  I can't see anything like 2{\sup 
> nd}, so my only known solution at the moment is math mode: $2^{nd}$.  
> Despite this not being 'math', I don't really have an aversion to it.  
> However, there's a problem with it: the superscripted text appears in 
> italic Computer Modern.  I'm using Gentium Book Basic as my body font, 
> using XeTeX.  The Gentium typeface is used perfectly everywhere, 
> including the '2' in '2^nd', with the exception of the superscripted text.
>
> So what solutions are to hand?  Is there either (1) super/sub commands 
> in text mode, or (2) a way of fixing this in math mode?
>
> (Also, would this be a problem with ConTeXt or with XeTeX?)
a\high{x}b\low{x}c\highlow{x}{y}d\lowhigh{x}{y}

Wolfgang

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Re: Super- and sub-script in text mode, or, fonts in math mode

[James Fisher]

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Hi Wolfgang,



Thanks, that gets me closer (though \highlow and \lowhigh result in
"undefined control sequence" here).

However, the superscripted text is not reduced in size at all.  This seems
to be XeTeX-specific, as using PDFTeX works fine.  The same issue arises
using \small{} in XeTeX, whether standing alone or in combination with
\high{}.

Some light could be shed on this by observing that *all* text produced by
XeTeX, when in comparison with PDFTeX, looks like has gone through \small.
I suppose this is possible as I note that \small can't be applied
recursively (i.e. \small{\small{x}} == \small{x} ).

Thoughts?



James


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Wolfgang Schuster <
schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Am 02.03.10 22:58, schrieb James Fisher:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>>
>> A minor problem: I'm trying to place superscripted text in the text body
>> -- things like '2^nd March'.  I can't see anything like 2{\sup nd}, so my
>> only known solution at the moment is math mode: $2^{nd}$.  Despite this not
>> being 'math', I don't really have an aversion to it.  However, there's a
>> problem with it: the superscripted text appears in italic Computer Modern.
>>  I'm using Gentium Book Basic as my body font, using XeTeX.  The Gentium
>> typeface is used perfectly everywhere, including the '2' in '2^nd', with the
>> exception of the superscripted text.
>>
>> So what solutions are to hand?  Is there either (1) super/sub commands in
>> text mode, or (2) a way of fixing this in math mode?
>>
>> (Also, would this be a problem with ConTeXt or with XeTeX?)
>>
> a\high{x}b\low{x}c\highlow{x}{y}d\lowhigh{x}{y}
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: Super- and sub-script in text mode, or, fonts in math mode

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 03.03.10 13:04, schrieb James Fisher:
> Hi Wolfgang,
>
> Thanks, that gets me closer (though \highlow and \lowhigh result in 
> "undefined control sequence" here).
\hilo and \lohi

Wolfgang

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Re: Super- and sub-script in text mode, or, fonts in math mode

[James Fisher]

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That's better.  Also, for the record, I've been working with Mark IV today,
and LuaTeX doesn't seem to have XeTeX's problem with \small.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Wolfgang Schuster <
schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Am 03.03.10 13:04, schrieb James Fisher:
>
>  Hi Wolfgang,
>>
>> Thanks, that gets me closer (though \highlow and \lowhigh result in
>> "undefined control sequence" here).
>>
> \hilo and \lohi
>
>
> Wolfgang
>
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rsfs font problem with MKIV

[Mehdi Omidali]

Hi,
I followed http://wiki.contextgarden.net/rsfs and compile the sample 
file in this page with MKIV and got the following error:

! Undefined control sequence.

\scr ->\fam \purefamily

{scriptfamily}

l.18 ${\scr

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}$

?


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Re: rsfs font problem with MKIV

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Mehdi Omidali wrote:

> Hi,
> I followed http://wiki.contextgarden.net/rsfs and compile the sample file in 
> this page with MKIV and got the following error:

Those instructions only work for MKII. I am not sure how to incorporate 
RSFS with MKIV. Unicode only has type of math script letters.

Aditya
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Math font sizes

[Mehdi Omidali]

Hi,
I use tikz with MKIV and need to switch to \scriptsize in math font. 
\scriptsize doesn't work. What is its equivalent in MKIV?
Thanks
MO
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Re: Math font sizes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 05.03.10 19:40, schrieb Mehdi Omidali:
> Hi,
> I use tikz with MKIV and need to switch to \scriptsize in math font. 
> \scriptsize doesn't work. What is its equivalent in MKIV?
\starttext

$a$ $\tx a$ $\txx a$

$a$ $\scriptstyle a$ $\scriptscriptstyle a$

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: Math font sizes

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> Am 05.03.10 19:40, schrieb Mehdi Omidali:
>> Hi,
>> I use tikz with MKIV and need to switch to \scriptsize in math font. 
>> \scriptsize doesn't work. What is its equivalent in MKIV?
> \starttext
>
> $a$ $\tx a$ $\txx a$
>
> $a$ $\scriptstyle a$ $\scriptscriptstyle a$
>
> \stoptext

Also see the "documentation" in font-ini

%D This leaves us two more commands: \type{\tx} and
%D \type{\txx}. These activate a smaller and even more smaller
%D font than the current one and adapt themselves to the
%D current alternative, so when \type{\bf} is active,
%D \type{\tx} gives a smaller boldface, which in turn can be
%D called directly by \type{\bfx}.
%D
%D These two smaller alternatives are specified by the bodyfont
%D environment and therefore not necessarily have similar sizes
%D as \type{\scriptsize} and \type{\scriptscriptsize}. The main
%D reason for this incompatibility (which can easily be undone)
%D lays in the fact that we often want a bit bigger characters
%D than in math mode. In \CONTEXT\ for instance the \type{\tx}
%D and \type{\txx} commands are used for surrogate
%D \cap{smallcaps} which support both nesting and alternatives,
%D like in {\bf\cap{a \cap{small} world}}, which was typeset by
%D
%D \starttyping
%D \bf\cap{a \cap{small} world}
%D \stoptyping
%D
%D And compare $\rm \scriptstyle THIS$ with the slightly larger
%D \cap{THIS}: \ruledhbox{$\rm \scriptstyle scriptstyle: THIS$}
%D or \ruledhbox{\cap{x style: THIS}} makes a big difference.

Aditya
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Re: Math font sizes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 05.03.10 20:05, schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
> Also see the "documentation" in font-ini
>
> %D These two smaller alternatives are specified by the bodyfont
> %D environment and therefore not necessarily have similar sizes
> %D as \type{\scriptsize} and \type{\scriptscriptsize}.
But ConTeXt has no \scriptsize and \scriptscriptsize commands as
you can think from the sentence above.

Wolfgang

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Re: Math font sizes

[Mehdi Omidali]

Thanks,
Apparently tikz is not able to handle these font styles as you can see 
in the following file. But it is not a big problem as one can use \tx 
for example whenever I need it.
MO

\usemodule[tikz]

\usetikzlibrary{arrows,matrix}

\starttext

\starttikzpicture[description/.style={fill=white,inner sep=2pt}]

\matrix (m) [matrix of math nodes, row sep=3em,

column sep=2.5em, text height=1.5ex, text depth=0.25ex]

{

A&A\\

A&A\\

};

\path[->,font=\txx]

(m-1-1) edge node[auto] {$A$} (m-1-2);

\path[->]

(m-2-1) edge node[auto] {$\tx A$} (m-2-2);

\stoptikzpicture

\stoptext


On 3/5/2010 10:30 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 05.03.10 19:40, schrieb Mehdi Omidali:
>> Hi,
>> I use tikz with MKIV and need to switch to \scriptsize in math font. 
>> \scriptsize doesn't work. What is its equivalent in MKIV?
> \starttext
>
> $a$ $\tx a$ $\txx a$
>
> $a$ $\scriptstyle a$ $\scriptscriptstyle a$
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang

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Re: rsfs font problem with MKIV

[Mehdi Omidali]

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Thank you very much. Just a comment: it is better to define
\def\scr #1{\text{\ralfsmithfs #1}}
In this way, font sizes (superscript and subscript) are also available.
MO

On 3/5/2010 2:15 PM, views63 wrote:
> 2010/3/4 Mehdi Omidali<mehdioa@gmail.com>:
>    
>> Hi,
>> I followed http://wiki.contextgarden.net/rsfs and compile the sample file in
>> this page with MKIV and got the following error:
>>
>> ! Undefined control sequence.
>>
>> \scr ->\fam \purefamily
>>
>> {scriptfamily}
>>
>> l.18 ${\scr
>>
>> ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}$
>>
>> ?
>>
>>      
> 1. put the archive keep file structure to "\context\tex\texmf\fonts "
>
> 2. luatools --generate
>
> 3. context --make
>
> test
>
> \starttypescript [math] [modern,computer-modern,latin-modern,ams] [size]
>       \definebodyfont [17.3pt,14.4pt,12pt,11pt,10pt,9pt][mm][mc=rsfs10 sa 1]
>       \definebodyfont [8pt,7pt] [mm] [mc=rsfs7 sa 1]
>       \definebodyfont [6pt,5pt,4pt] [mm] [mc=rsfs5 sa 1]
> \stoptypescript
>
> \definefamilysynonym [default] [scriptfamily] [mc]
>
> \definefont [ralfsmithfs] [RalfSmithFormalScript sa \currentfontscale]
> \def\scr #1{\ifmmode\hbox{\ralfsmithfs #1}\else\ralfsmithfs #1\fi}
>
> \definetypeface [modern] [mm] [math] [modern] [ams] [encoding=texnansi]
>
> \setupbodyfont[reset,modern,11pt]
>
> \starttext
>
> $\scr {ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}$
>
> \stoptext
>    
>
>
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Re: rsfs font problem with MKIV

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:45, views63 wrote:
>
> 1. put the archive keep file structure to "\context\tex\texmf\fonts "

No, better put them to texmf-local or texmf-fonts, not to texmf, else
they will be deleted when you synchronize the archive next time.

Mojca
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Re: rsfs font problem with MKIV

[views63]

2010/3/7 Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:45, views63 wrote:
> No, better put them to texmf-local or texmf-fonts, not to texmf, else
> they will be deleted when you synchronize the archive next time.

Thank you very much. now I can use first-setup without "--keep"
synchronize the archive
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simplefont and arbic script

[Mehdi Omidali]

Hi,
I want to use simplefont to define an arabic script font. I couldn't 
find any thing in the manual and on the web. (Thanks Wolfgang for the 
great module).
Mehdi Omidali
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Re: simplefont and arbic script

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 08.03.10 07:41, schrieb Mehdi Omidali:
> I want to use simplefont to define an arabic script font. I couldn't 
> find any thing in the manual and on the web.
\usemodule[simplefonts]

\setmainfont[<name of your font>][features=arabic]

\starttext

...

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: simplefont and arbic script

[Hans Hagen]

On 8-3-2010 8:26, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 08.03.10 07:41, schrieb Mehdi Omidali:
>> I want to use simplefont to define an arabic script font. I couldn't
>> find any thing in the manual and on the web.
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
>
> \setmainfont[<name of your font>][features=arabic]
>
> \starttext
>
> ....
>
> \stoptext

keep in mind that what features are applied also depends on the font

Hans


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Math manuals

[Mehdi Omidali]

Hi,
I want to write a multi-line formula of the form
             first-part=second-part        (some comments instead of a 
formula number)
                          =third-part            (some cooments)
                          =forth-part            (some comments)

I have read "Display Math in Context" (by Aditya) but I couldn't find 
the answer to my question.
Mehdi Omidali
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Re: Math manuals

[Mehdi Omidali]

Please ignore my previous email. I found the way.
On 3/9/2010 11:47 AM, Mehdi Omidali wrote:
> Hi,
> I want to write a multi-line formula of the form
>             first-part=second-part        (some comments instead of a 
> formula number)
>                          =third-part            (some cooments)
>                          =forth-part            (some comments)
>
> I have read "Display Math in Context" (by Aditya) but I couldn't find 
> the answer to my question.
> Mehdi Omidali

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Re: Math manuals

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Mehdi Omidali <mehdioa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please ignore my previous email. I found the way.
And which  is your way ?


-- 
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Re: Math manuals

[Mehdi Omidali]

This code for example
\startformula

\startmathalignment[m=2,distance=4em]

\NC x^2+y^2\NC = z^2\NC\NC\text{(By Theorem Bla)}\NR

\NC\NC=w^2\NC\NC\text{(By Theorem BlaBla)}\NR

\stopmathalignment

\stopformula
Is this the best way?


On 3/9/2010 12:10 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Mehdi Omidali<mehdioa@gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Please ignore my previous email. I found the way.
>>      
> And which  is your way ?
>
>
>    

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Re: Math manuals

[Mehdi Omidali]

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I have to say that my way is not perfect enough. In fact, I want to have 
aligned formulas like what you see in the attached file. The attached 
file is the output of amsmath. Any comment is wellcome.
Mehdi
On 3/9/2010 12:10 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Mehdi Omidali<mehdioa@gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Please ignore my previous email. I found the way.
>>      
> And which  is your way ?
>
>
>    


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Re: Math manuals

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Mehdi Omidali wrote:

> Hi,
> I want to write a multi-line formula of the form
>            first-part=second-part        (some comments instead of a formula 
> number)
>                         =third-part            (some cooments)
>                         =forth-part            (some comments)
>
> I have read "Display Math in Context" (by Aditya) but I couldn't find the 
> answer to my question.

See Sec 9.2 of using \startalign and friends 
http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf

Aditya
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Re: Math manuals

[Mehdi Omidali]

Thanks.
On 3/9/2010 1:56 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Mehdi Omidali wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I want to write a multi-line formula of the form
>>            first-part=second-part        (some comments instead of a 
>> formula number)
>>                         =third-part            (some cooments)
>>                         =forth-part            (some comments)
>>
>> I have read "Display Math in Context" (by Aditya) but I couldn't find 
>> the answer to my question.
>
> See Sec 9.2 of using \startalign and friends 
> http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf
>
> Aditya
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context minimal problem on windows

[Mehdi Omidali]

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Hi,
I have faced a problem during upgrade to the latest minimal. I have 
attached a picture that explain the problem.
MO

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Re: context minimal problem on windows

[Helmut Schwertner]

Am 13.03.2010 11:10, schrieb Mehdi Omidali:
> Hi,
> I have faced a problem during upgrade to the latest minimal. I have
> attached a picture that explain the problem.
> MO
>

Hello,

it seems to be the same problem how on my windows (win7 64 bit and winxp 
32 bit).

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 17:00, Helmut Schwertner wrote:
 > > Hello,
 > > I'm using contextminimals with win7 64bit. Since a few days i get the
 > > following two messages when I try to update or to do a new install of
 > > contextminimals.
 > > The message (error report) for two times is:
 > >
 > > pdftex.exe – Einsprungpunkt nicht gefunden
 > >
 > > Der Prozedureinsprungpunkt „sfseek64“ wurde in der DLL 
„kpathsearch510.dll“
 > > nicht gefunden.
 > >
 > > Context (mkiv) is working ; texexec (mkii) is broken.
 > >
 > > What can I do?
 > >I need to ask Akira - I suspect that there are two incompatible
 > >versions of the library with the same name.
 > > Mojca

Thanks,

Helmut

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Re: context minimal problem on windows

[Mehdi Omidali]

Yes they are the same problem. I replaced luatex.dll with of the latest 
version (.51) with the previous one (.50) and the problem disappeared, 
though the problem still exists for pdftex.dll. It seems that something 
is wrong with compilation of luatex and pdftex on windows.
MO
On 3/13/2010 4:06 PM, Helmut Schwertner wrote:
> Am 13.03.2010 11:10, schrieb Mehdi Omidali:
>> Hi,
>> I have faced a problem during upgrade to the latest minimal. I have
>> attached a picture that explain the problem.
>> MO
>>
>
> Hello,
>
> it seems to be the same problem how on my windows (win7 64 bit and 
> winxp 32 bit).
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 17:00, Helmut Schwertner wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > I'm using contextminimals with win7 64bit. Since a few days i get the
> > > following two messages when I try to update or to do a new install of
> > > contextminimals.
> > > The message (error report) for two times is:
> > >
> > > pdftex.exe – Einsprungpunkt nicht gefunden
> > >
> > > Der Prozedureinsprungpunkt „sfseek64“ wurde in der DLL 
> „kpathsearch510.dll“
> > > nicht gefunden.
> > >
> > > Context (mkiv) is working ; texexec (mkii) is broken.
> > >
> > > What can I do?
> > >I need to ask Akira - I suspect that there are two incompatible
> > >versions of the library with the same name.
> > > Mojca
>
> Thanks,
>
> Helmut
>
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Re: context minimal problem on windows

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:10, Mehdi Omidali wrote:
> Hi,
> I have faced a problem during upgrade to the latest minimal. I have attached
> a picture that explain the problem.

Is it better now? (I need to fix some hardcoded commands, but I keep
postponing that for way too long.)

The problem is not with binaries, but with wrong libraries that we
recombine on the garden (my fault).

Mojca
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Re: context minimal problem on windows

[Mehdi Omidali]

Yes it is OK now. Both MKII and MKIV works fine. Thanks.
On 3/13/2010 11:42 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:10, Mehdi Omidali wrote:
>    
>> Hi,
>> I have faced a problem during upgrade to the latest minimal. I have attached
>> a picture that explain the problem.
>>      
> Is it better now? (I need to fix some hardcoded commands, but I keep
> postponing that for way too long.)
>
> The problem is not with binaries, but with wrong libraries that we
> recombine on the garden (my fault).
>
> Mojca
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