From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/50739 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Haltiwanger Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:17:13 -0400 Message-ID: <4c1f1f860905241017s40033f7crde553d358a24b57f@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0564670089==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243185587 7284 80.91.229.12 (24 May 2009 17:19:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:19:47 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun May 24 19:19:40 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8HMI-0004zX-IU for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:19:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5FF1FDE8; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24344-01; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:18:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C66E1FDD8; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:18:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5E31FDD8 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20274-07 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (filter4-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.72]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC801FBCB for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f176.google.com (mail-fx0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n4OHGwAe006014 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:16:58 +0200 Original-Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so2848212fxm.2 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=n24SC2FXRV2F7ckmpXGUzo+x50gBJPvHtA2GyYM/hYQ=; b=t729DhViJpwbRIvOC/vNCyWzDutsHXFP5keRjQDTUymmZ+bjI1kR6YZCXvlE+DFHlV vD03V6e3FBHDu+9CgJFIaReF/COFsG41SroA+leKkGBoDnMrr3ZJEl2AZdt10kiZbQHe NOi1KWfIbuZCwIepDhD0Htj6LGLsLix5vcgcw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=W1FPs/vk6oaxRgf3FwUmme6twOuL7gGYU4aVaL02DOgZw9ORZtsDunssbOHJ1DQ+wK G/8/5BqtyxhhpK8TYNbgK3qA4OhVl6Zdo7jLrfZQq3MHnoUs+XIdQg1QLl+rtTv9sBz+ U1wqvr/PWWWF1iZOo9X8uyw48Me0ZW0ggTgYs= Original-Received: by 10.223.108.211 with SMTP id g19mr3060201fap.39.1243185433147; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.220.176; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 230713163 - fd7bd6a7636a - 20090524 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.72 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:50739 Archived-At: --===============0564670089== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a71721f807046aabaa69 --001636c5a71721f807046aabaa69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, My name is John and I'm a nearly brand new TeX convert. All it took was one letter I wanted to look nice and now I know I will never craft an important document in another format again. Now, an obvious entry point is LaTeX, and indeed my first TeX document used this macro package. However, I couldn't help but stumble across the ConTeXt project in my investigation of the TeX landscape. The seemingly distinct separation of style from content, evidenced by the print versus the screen versions of some of the manuals, instantly endeared me. Within the same week, I found the comp.text.tex newsgroup. Lo and behold there was a quite active thread on LuaTeX, which I had just finished reading a presentation and a couple papers on the night before. On of the issues being discussed was the lack of a LaTeX document class for "thesis". This also involved discussion of LaTeX's shortcomings. I wrote into the thread that based on my (albeit completely theoretical) understanding, ConTeXt would be a wiser choice as a macro for any new department to begin requiring TeX documents. This was based on my vague understanding of the separation of environment from the content, as it were, and also on the multiple outputs available for the manuals. Since I see screen formatting as equally important, if not more, than paper formatting, it only made sense to me that the equivalent of a unversity specific documentclass in LaTeX would be a simple environment file in ConTeXt. This leads me to some questions I have about how great a fit for me ConTeXt actually is. 1) Can environment files be used across documents, or is it generally understood that every ConTeXt document requires its own environment formatting? (The latter is the view of someone on c.t.t, who said his perception of ConTeXt was that it was for typesetting individual documents and had less application beyond that domain.) 2) What is the state of XML output for ConTeXt files? I have to say I will find it hard to justify using TeX for documents if it means they are not translatable to XML easily. I'm also interested in any RDF support ConTeXt might have. I am just beginning my journey into TeX, and wish to learn the best macro package available. To me it seems like this is ConTeXt hands down, however the two questions above will indeed determine ConTeXt's actual utility in my case. Regards, John C. Haltiwanger P.S. For my first question, it seems easy to assume that if you can process XML files into standardized ConTeXt documents, the same would go for processing ConTeXt into standardized ConTeXt documents. But the question is too large not to ask. --001636c5a71721f807046aabaa69 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,

My name is John and I'm a nearly brand new TeX convert. A= ll it took was one letter I wanted to look nice and now I know I will never= craft an important document in another format again.

Now, an obviou= s entry point is LaTeX, and indeed my first TeX document used this macro pa= ckage. However, I couldn't help but stumble across the ConTeXt project = in my investigation of the TeX landscape. The seemingly distinct separation= of style from content, evidenced by the print versus the screen versions o= f some of the manuals, instantly endeared me.

Within the same week, I found t= he comp.text.tex newsgroup. Lo and behold there was a quite active thread o= n LuaTeX, which I had just finished reading a presentation and a couple pap= ers on the night before. On of the issues being discussed was the lack of a= LaTeX document class for "thesis". This also involved discussion= of LaTeX's shortcomings.


I wrote into the thread that based on my (albeit compl= etely theoretical) understanding, ConTeXt would be a wiser choice as a macr= o for any new department to begin requiring TeX documents. This was based o= n my vague understanding of the separation of environment from the content,= as it were, and also on the multiple outputs available for the manuals. Si= nce I see screen formatting as equally important, if not more, than paper f= ormatting, it only made sense to me that the equivalent of a unversity spec= ific documentclass in LaTeX would be a simple environment file in ConTeXt.<= /p>


This leads me to some questions I have about how great= a fit for me ConTeXt actually is.


1) Can environment file= s be used across documents, or is it generally understood that every ConTeX= t document requires its own environment formatting? (The latter is the view= of someone on c.t.t, who said his perception of ConTeXt was that it was fo= r typesetting individual documents and had less application beyond that dom= ain.)


2) What is the state of XML output for ConTeXt files? = I have to say I will find it hard to justify using TeX for documents if it = means they are not translatable to XML easily. I'm also interested in a= ny RDF support ConTeXt might have.


I am just beginning my journey into TeX, and wish to l= earn the best macro package available. To me it seems like this is ConTeXt = hands down, however the two questions above will indeed determine ConTeXt&#= 39;s actual utility in my case.


Regards,


P.S. For my first question, it seems easy to assume that if you can process= XML files into standardized ConTeXt documents, the same would go for proce= ssing ConTeXt into standardized ConTeXt documents. But the question is too = large not to ask.

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