From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/50776 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Haltiwanger Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:35:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4c1f1f860905251135p278920bfw3bc3a6c23cc317fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c1f1f860905241017s40033f7crde553d358a24b57f@mail.gmail.com> <4c1f1f860905250930g2e44f973y335be816c2883981@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1066542557==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243276584 8027 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 18:36:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:36:24 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon May 25 20:36:17 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8f1z-0004eW-Np for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:36:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCD31FE01; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:36:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15413-02; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:35:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95071FC11; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:35:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D00B1FC11 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:35:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14852-03 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:35:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-til.mf.surf.net (filter1-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.217]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFA51FA41 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:35:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f178.google.com (mail-bw0-f178.google.com [209.85.218.178]) by filter1-til.mf.surf.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4PIZaMs021170 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:35:36 +0200 Original-Received: by bwz26 with SMTP id 26so3495537bwz.2 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:35:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Gy1fJ9pAXlxquL9o8+o9JYcwL3K4qQr2tL1noacEJDo=; b=UbGVxxjmoU1pPxQp94pzVV9LSX0v42qnb7bexyYC8bvlolXnSo7SKEz34mXo273dLT /EA+/obkBM1+QOl2WfPr163qJdX2ClA87IX/Cyg6/L5ILiz/YnNPWkGBCC5D89dPgLMk B6CtecCZOOIUq8oJqT/BvmDMDDuDFkzwYyuq4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=cz43ZpsekaElino24/fT7i9oOzExF0r7HBqvqooudF1Kt5gvhsmKg021zqyWpz2bZI OK/jb8d6x8Njbylz/I2MFb+dGgvRPVn7862EgjGqLgioOh9uo4LcHHL/AT/Edxkj2lQK tZ9kueXnl95q99GZwTu3oa4GQuE/KPl6PahlI= Original-Received: by 10.223.126.145 with SMTP id c17mr3821714fas.102.1243276535012; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:35:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.218.178; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 231458431 - d579f0bd340f - 20090525 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.217 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:50776 Archived-At: --===============1066542557== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a7363a1f79046ac0e0fe --001636c5a7363a1f79046ac0e0fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Aditya. All that makes sense to me. It is quite clear from everyone's responses that the person on c.t.t who claimed ConTeXt is "only" for one-offs was not correct. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Mon, 25 May 2009, John Haltiwanger wrote: > > unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. >> I >> am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or >> a >> > > There are no standardized thesis styles for universities mainly because > there are no consistent specs. Most univs want you to use times, double > spaced lines, wide margins, and some formatting guidelines regarding the > chapter headings, table of content, page headers and footers. Setting these > are easy in ConTeXt (and also LaTeX if you know the relevant packages). > Universities do not provide an official thesis style (either in LaTeX or > ConTeXt) because in most cases they do not have the resources to maintain > them. Students figure something out, and then pass along their styles to the > next generation. If the formatting guidelines change, the burden is on the > students to correct the style, rather than on the university. > > When I was writing my thesis, it took me about a few hours to understand > the formatting guidelines, which were a jigjaw puzzle. Statements like: > Always use Times New Roman at 12pt as the main font. ... two pages down ... > The abstract can be in 10pt or 12pt ... a few pages later, use any of the > standard fonts. It also used vague terminology. Statements like leave two > blank lines after the title (blank lines, er... for what fontsize, the > bodyfont or the title font?). > > ConTeXt makes it really easy to make the formatting changes. Once I > understood the formatting guidelines, writing the main style was very easy > (with a few trips to the manual, and a few questions here on the mailing > list). Making sure that the resultant style looked visually appealing while > not violating the formatting guidelines too a lot of experimentation. > > As Hans said, you can think of ConTeXt as the "standard" thesis style. > Setup a few commands, and you meet your formatting requirements. Write it in > an environment or a module, and you can reuse it. > > Aditya > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > --001636c5a7363a1f79046ac0e0fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Aditya. All that makes sense to me. It is quite clear from everyo= ne's responses that the person on c.t.t who claimed ConTeXt is "on= ly" for one-offs was not correct.

On= Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2009, John Haltiwanger wrote:

unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I=
am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a=

There are no standardized thesis styles for universities mainly because the= re are no consistent specs. Most univs want you to use times, double spaced= lines, wide margins, and some formatting guidelines regarding the chapter = headings, table of content, page headers and footers. Setting these are eas= y in ConTeXt (and also LaTeX if you know the relevant packages). Universiti= es do not provide an official thesis style (either in LaTeX or ConTeXt) bec= ause in most cases they do not have the resources to maintain them. Student= s figure something out, and then pass along their styles to the next genera= tion. If the formatting guidelines change, the burden is on the students to= correct the style, rather than on the university.

When I was writing my thesis, it took me about a few hours to understand th= e formatting guidelines, which were a jigjaw puzzle. Statements like: Alway= s use Times New Roman at 12pt as the main font. ... two pages down ... The = abstract can be in 10pt or 12pt ... a few pages later, use any of the stand= ard fonts. It also used vague terminology. Statements like leave two blank = lines after the title (blank lines, er... for what fontsize, the bodyfont o= r the title font?).

ConTeXt makes it really easy to make the formatting changes. Once I underst= ood the formatting guidelines, writing the main style was very easy (with a= few trips to the manual, and a few questions here on the mailing list). Ma= king sure that the resultant style looked visually appealing while not viol= ating the formatting guidelines too a lot of experimentation.

As Hans said, you can think of ConTeXt as the "standard" thesis s= tyle. Setup a few commands, and you meet your formatting requirements. Writ= e it in an environment or a module, and you can reuse it.

Aditya

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maillist : ntg-cont= ext@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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