[NTG-context] upload

[NTG-context] upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

Hi,

end of the month update:

- we are still working on the math manual so updates there (we want the 
manual to stable for the upcoming meeting)

- we also work on the export (some changes and additions there but we 
will conver that plus some new tools later when we're done, read: are 
satisfied with what browsers can handle sort of well)

- wolfgang updated the setups (command definitions) so plenty of 
improvements and completion in there (he also did some quality assurance)

- all kind of small thingies (some to be introduced at the upcoming 
meeting were as usual we also discuss development and priorities)

- there are some new \setupalign options, like 'notwins', 'notoddlers' 
and 'noorphans' in case someone wants to be surprised

as usual when we run into unforseen issues we'll fix it,

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Sound great, thanks!

I just don’t dare to update with printing deadlines approaching…

Hraban

Am 31.07.24 um 19:55 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> Hi,
> 
> end of the month update:
> 
> - we are still working on the math manual so updates there (we want the 
> manual to stable for the upcoming meeting)
> 
> - we also work on the export (some changes and additions there but we 
> will conver that plus some new tools later when we're done, read: are 
> satisfied with what browsers can handle sort of well)
> 
> - wolfgang updated the setups (command definitions) so plenty of 
> improvements and completion in there (he also did some quality assurance)
> 
> - all kind of small thingies (some to be introduced at the upcoming 
> meeting were as usual we also discuss development and priorities)
> 
> - there are some new \setupalign options, like 'notwins', 'notoddlers' 
> and 'noorphans' in case someone wants to be surprised
> 
> as usual when we run into unforseen issues we'll fix it,
> 
> Hans
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 31.07.24 um 19:55 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> Hi,
> 
> end of the month update:
> 
> - we are still working on the math manual so updates there (we want the 
> manual to stable for the upcoming meeting)
> 
> - we also work on the export (some changes and additions there but we 
> will conver that plus some new tools later when we're done, read: are 
> satisfied with what browsers can handle sort of well)
> 
> - wolfgang updated the setups (command definitions) so plenty of 
> improvements and completion in there (he also did some quality assurance)
> 
> - all kind of small thingies (some to be introduced at the upcoming 
> meeting were as usual we also discuss development and priorities)
> 
> - there are some new \setupalign options, like 'notwins', 'notoddlers' 
> and 'noorphans' in case someone wants to be surprised
> 
> as usual when we run into unforseen issues we'll fix it,

I dared to update, since Hans’ & Mikael’s article for the journal 
required the latest version. (I wonder what \startimage is about…)

Being careful, I did a parallel install, but all looks good so far.

My book went from 490 to 484 pages, must investigate, might just be 
better paragraph/page/table breaking or something like that. Or is 
automatical nonsense-removal now included?

My usual TTC problem (all Cambria is Bold Cambria) didn’t show after 
installation of the distribution, but resurfaced after installing all 
modules. ("mtxrun --script font --reload --force" helped as usual.)

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/1/2024 9:21 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 31.07.24 um 19:55 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
>> Hi,
>>
>> end of the month update:
>>
>> - we are still working on the math manual so updates there (we want 
>> the manual to stable for the upcoming meeting)
>>
>> - we also work on the export (some changes and additions there but we 
>> will conver that plus some new tools later when we're done, read: are 
>> satisfied with what browsers can handle sort of well)
>>
>> - wolfgang updated the setups (command definitions) so plenty of 
>> improvements and completion in there (he also did some quality assurance)
>>
>> - all kind of small thingies (some to be introduced at the upcoming 
>> meeting were as usual we also discuss development and priorities)
>>
>> - there are some new \setupalign options, like 'notwins', 'notoddlers' 
>> and 'noorphans' in case someone wants to be surprised
>>
>> as usual when we run into unforseen issues we'll fix it,
> 
> I dared to update, since Hans’ & Mikael’s article for the journal 
> required the latest version. (I wonder what \startimage is about…)

related to the export, we'll demo it at the meeting: formulas, metapost 
etc; here it is used to make an images file so that you don't need to 
update (i assumed that you'd turn the text into whatever the journal 
needs (if you render yourself best also check if the examples come out 
right)

> Being careful, I did a parallel install, but all looks good so far.

no fundamental changes

> My book went from 490 to 484 pages, must investigate, might just be 
> better paragraph/page/table breaking or something like that. Or is 
> automatical nonsense-removal now included?

run old and new and then

context --extra=compare old.pdf new.pdf

it might be some improvement in page crossing

> My usual TTC problem (all Cambria is Bold Cambria) didn’t show after 
> installation of the distribution, but resurfaced after installing all 
> modules. ("mtxrun --script font --reload --force" helped as usual.)
there is an issue with cambria and name resolving, i'll send you an 
alternative typescript we've been testing

Hans


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[NTG-context] upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

Hi,

The latest upload has:

- a few fixed cf posts around 2025/2026 crossover

- a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see 
https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and an 
explanation / example by Mikael.

- a new (experimental) tabulate preamble key 'P' that is mostly 'p' 
compatible but uses a different split paragraphs across page approach; 
it is a side effect of upgrading the alignment mechanism in luametatex 
in addition to already present extensions

- we also now enabled shaping penalties thatwas already enabled in my 
local cont-exp for a while for testing interferences; it prevents breaks 
inside shapes and hang (unless configured otherwise)

- a few improvements in \column uses in column sets but we're working on 
making that more relable (not that trivial)

- gaelic language and patterns (more work needed there)

- a bit more documentation here and there (there is some more pending)

Hans

% another example, one of our tests

%\enabletrackers[parinsert]

\setupexternalfigures
   [location={global,local,default}]

\starttext

\samplefile{tufte}%
\space\leftparinsert[color=darkred]{An example.}\space
\samplefile{ward}%
\space\rightparinsert[color=darkgreen]{Another example.}\space
\samplefile{tufte}

\page

\samplefile{tufte}%
\space
\leftparinsert
   [lines=3]
   {\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=3lh,location=top]}%
\rightparinsert
   [lines=4]
   {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=4lh,location=top]}}%
\space
\samplefile{ward}%
\space
\rightparinsert
   [distance=2em,lines=2]
   {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=2lh,location=top]}}%
\space
\samplefile{tufte}

\stoptext


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Taco Hoekwater]

> On 7 Jan 2026, at 11:36, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The latest upload has:
> 
> - a few fixed cf posts around 2025/2026 crossover
> 
> - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and an explanation / example by Mikael.

Not just Hraban, this feature is quite amazing. I can easily imagine how messy this is behind the scenes. Since you are doing near impossible things anyway, how about the next challenge: can you make the parinject inserts cross paragraph boundaries, please? :)

Best wishes,
Taco

— 
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genderfluid (all pronouns)


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/7/2026 12:26 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 7 Jan 2026, at 11:36, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The latest upload has:
>>
>> - a few fixed cf posts around 2025/2026 crossover
>>
>> - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and an explanation / example by Mikael.
> 
> Not just Hraban, this feature is quite amazing. I can easily imagine how messy this is behind the scenes. Since you are doing near impossible things anyway, how about the next challenge: can you make the parinject inserts cross paragraph boundaries, please? :)

oh a new challenge .. not impossible if we keep state but then we also 
need to prevent breaking at that pointswhich is more tricky

as you script your workflow a \hfill\localbreakpar could work out if you 
intercept the empty line

\samplefile{tufte}%
\space
\leftparinsert
   [lines=3]
   {\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=3lh,location=top]}%
\rightparinsert
   [lines=4]
   {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=4lh,location=top]}}%
\space
\samplefile{ward}%
\space
\rightparinsert
   [distance=2em,lines=2]
   {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=2lh,location=top]}}%
\space
\samplefile{tufte}
\space
\rightparinsert
   [distance=2em,lines=3]
   {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=3lh,location=top]}}%
\space
a bit of text so that we end up on a next line so some more text is needed
\hfill\localbreakpar
\samplefile{tufte}


> Best wishes,
> Taco
> 
> —
> Taco Hoekwater              E: taco@bittext.nl
> genderfluid (all pronouns)
> 
> 


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Thank you!

Am 07.01.26 um 11:36 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see https:// 
> tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and an 
> explanation / example by Mikael.

Oh, I feel so abusive…

Let’s try if this works with more than one per paragraph and with 
different sizes… 😈

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/7/2026 1:15 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Thank you!
> 
> Am 07.01.26 um 11:36 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
>> - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see https:// 
>> tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and an 
>> explanation / example by Mikael.
> 
> Oh, I feel so abusive…
> 
> Let’s try if this works with more than one per paragraph and with 
> different sizes… 😈

What makes you think that this wouldn't work:

\starttext

\enabletrackers[parinsert]

\dorecurse{100}{
     \samplefile{zelensky}%
     \leftparinsert[color=darkred,lines=2]{zelensky}%
     \samplefile{zelensky}%
     \rightparinsert[color=darkgreen]{more zelensky}%
     \samplefile{zelensky}%
     \leftparinsert[color=darkyellow,lines=4]{again zelensky}%
   % \rightparinsert[color=darkblue]{zelensky}%
     \samplefile{zelensky}%
     \samplefile{zelensky}%
}

Which is one big paragraph spanning 27 pages.  The only tricky case is 
when you have two in the same line which only works well if your text 
provides enough solution space (we might figure out something). This has 
to do with the fact that depending on settings tex might already have 
made decisions wrt optimal breaks out of order.

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Jacob Kauffmann via ntg-context]

Thank you for the update!

I got this error after context --make (macOS, ARM64, ConTeXt 2026.01.07, LuaMetaTeX 2.11.08):
lua error:

        run callback [7]: ...ext/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/trac-inf.lmt:175: bad argument #6 to 'format' (number expected, got nil)
stack traceback:
        [C]: in upvalue 'format'
        ...ext/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/trac-inf.lmt:175: in field 'integer index'
        ...ext/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/trac-inf.lmt:200: in field 'show'
        ...ext/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/luat-run.lmt:61: in function <...ext/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/luat-run.lmt:55>

Apparently it fails during some log output. I was able to make the format by changing line 177 in trac-inf.lmt to:
	status.tex_memory_mode or 0,
but I'm not sure what side effects this band-aid might have.

Cheers,
Jacob

> Am 07.01.2026 um 11:36 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The latest upload has:
> 
> - a few fixed cf posts around 2025/2026 crossover
> 
> - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and an explanation / example by Mikael.
> 
> - a new (experimental) tabulate preamble key 'P' that is mostly 'p' compatible but uses a different split paragraphs across page approach; it is a side effect of upgrading the alignment mechanism in luametatex in addition to already present extensions
> 
> - we also now enabled shaping penalties thatwas already enabled in my local cont-exp for a while for testing interferences; it prevents breaks inside shapes and hang (unless configured otherwise)
> 
> - a few improvements in \column uses in column sets but we're working on making that more relable (not that trivial)
> 
> - gaelic language and patterns (more work needed there)
> 
> - a bit more documentation here and there (there is some more pending)
> 
> Hans
> 
> % another example, one of our tests
> 
> %\enabletrackers[parinsert]
> 
> \setupexternalfigures
>  [location={global,local,default}]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \samplefile{tufte}%
> \space\leftparinsert[color=darkred]{An example.}\space
> \samplefile{ward}%
> \space\rightparinsert[color=darkgreen]{Another example.}\space
> \samplefile{tufte}
> 
> \page
> 
> \samplefile{tufte}%
> \space
> \leftparinsert
>  [lines=3]
>  {\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=3lh,location=top]}%
> \rightparinsert
>  [lines=4]
>  {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=4lh,location=top]}}%
> \space
> \samplefile{ward}%
> \space
> \rightparinsert
>  [distance=2em,lines=2]
>  {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=2lh,location=top]}}%
> \space
> \samplefile{tufte}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> 
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> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/8/2026 4:15 PM, Jacob Kauffmann via ntg-context wrote:
> Thank you for the update!
> 
> I got this error after context --make (macOS, ARM64, ConTeXt 2026.01.07, LuaMetaTeX 2.11.08):
> lua error:
> 
>          run callback [7]: ...ext/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/trac-inf.lmt:175: bad argument #6 to 'format' (number expected, got nil)
> stack traceback:
>          [C]: in upvalue 'format'
>          ...ext/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/trac-inf.lmt:175: in field 'integer index'
>          ...ext/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/trac-inf.lmt:200: in field 'show'
>          ...ext/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/luat-run.lmt:61: in function <...ext/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/luat-run.lmt:55>
> 
> Apparently it fails during some log output. I was able to make the format by changing line 177 in trac-inf.lmt to:
> 	status.tex_memory_mode or 0,
> but I'm not sure what side effects this band-aid might have.

Taco observed that the osx binsary was not updated which might relate to 
the build on the server. Either compile yourself, fetch from the garden 
build, or check the next upload.

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 07.01.2026 um 11:36 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> Hi,
> 
> The latest upload has:
> 
> - a few fixed cf posts around 2025/2026 crossover
> 
> - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see https:// 
> tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and an 
> explanation / example by Mikael.
> 
> - a new (experimental) tabulate preamble key 'P' that is mostly 'p' 
> compatible but uses a different split paragraphs across page approach; 
> it is a side effect of upgrading the alignment mechanism in luametatex 
> in addition to already present extensions
> 
> - we also now enabled shaping penalties thatwas already enabled in my 
> local cont-exp for a while for testing interferences; it prevents breaks 
> inside shapes and hang (unless configured otherwise)
> 
> - a few improvements in \column uses in column sets but we're working on 
> making that more relable (not that trivial)
> 
> - gaelic language and patterns (more work needed there)
> 
> - a bit more documentation here and there (there is some more pending)
> 
> Hans
> 
> % another example, one of our tests
> 
> %\enabletrackers[parinsert]
> 
> \setupexternalfigures
>    [location={global,local,default}]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \samplefile{tufte}%
> \space\leftparinsert[color=darkred]{An example.}\space
> \samplefile{ward}%
> \space\rightparinsert[color=darkgreen]{Another example.}\space
> \samplefile{tufte}
> 
> \page
> 
> \samplefile{tufte}%
> \space
> \leftparinsert
>    [lines=3]
>    {\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=3lh,location=top]}%
> \rightparinsert
>    [lines=4]
>    {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=4lh,location=top]}}%
> \space
> \samplefile{ward}%
> \space
> \rightparinsert
>    [distance=2em,lines=2]
>    {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=2lh,location=top]}}%
> \space
> \samplefile{tufte}
> 
> \stoptext


The new mechanism produces wrong result for right to left paragraphs 
(page 2) and narrow paragraphs (page 3):

\setuppapersize[A4][A3]
\setuplayout[location=middle]

\showframe

\startbuffer
   \samplefile{lorem}
   \leftparinsert 
[lines=3]{\blackrule[color=red,width=2cm,height=1sh,depth=1sd+2lh]}
   \samplefile{lorem}
  
\rightparinsert[lines=3]{\blackrule[color=red,width=2cm,height=1sh,depth=1sd+2lh]}
   \samplefile{lorem}
\stopbuffer

\starttext

\title{Default text direction}

\getbuffer

\title{Reverse text direction}

\startalignment[r2l]
\getbuffer
\stopalignment

\title{Narrow paragraphs}

\startnarrower
\getbuffer
\stopnarrower

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Mikael Sundqvist]

Hi Wolfgang,

On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 at 20:31, Wolfgang Schuster
<wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 07.01.2026 um 11:36 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The latest upload has:
> >
> > - a few fixed cf posts around 2025/2026 crossover
> >
> > - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see https://
> > tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and an
> > explanation / example by Mikael.
> >
> > - a new (experimental) tabulate preamble key 'P' that is mostly 'p'
> > compatible but uses a different split paragraphs across page approach;
> > it is a side effect of upgrading the alignment mechanism in luametatex
> > in addition to already present extensions
> >
> > - we also now enabled shaping penalties thatwas already enabled in my
> > local cont-exp for a while for testing interferences; it prevents breaks
> > inside shapes and hang (unless configured otherwise)
> >
> > - a few improvements in \column uses in column sets but we're working on
> > making that more relable (not that trivial)
> >
> > - gaelic language and patterns (more work needed there)
> >
> > - a bit more documentation here and there (there is some more pending)
> >
> > Hans
> >
> > % another example, one of our tests
> >
> > %\enabletrackers[parinsert]
> >
> > \setupexternalfigures
> >    [location={global,local,default}]
> >
> > \starttext
> >
> > \samplefile{tufte}%
> > \space\leftparinsert[color=darkred]{An example.}\space
> > \samplefile{ward}%
> > \space\rightparinsert[color=darkgreen]{Another example.}\space
> > \samplefile{tufte}
> >
> > \page
> >
> > \samplefile{tufte}%
> > \space
> > \leftparinsert
> >    [lines=3]
> >    {\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=3lh,location=top]}%
> > \rightparinsert
> >    [lines=4]
> >    {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=4lh,location=top]}}%
> > \space
> > \samplefile{ward}%
> > \space
> > \rightparinsert
> >    [distance=2em,lines=2]
> >    {\mirror{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=2lh,location=top]}}%
> > \space
> > \samplefile{tufte}
> >
> > \stoptext
>
>
> The new mechanism produces wrong result for right to left paragraphs
> (page 2) and narrow paragraphs (page 3):
>
> \setuppapersize[A4][A3]
> \setuplayout[location=middle]
>
> \showframe
>
> \startbuffer
>    \samplefile{lorem}
>    \leftparinsert
> [lines=3]{\blackrule[color=red,width=2cm,height=1sh,depth=1sd+2lh]}
>    \samplefile{lorem}
>
> \rightparinsert[lines=3]{\blackrule[color=red,width=2cm,height=1sh,depth=1sd+2lh]}
>    \samplefile{lorem}
> \stopbuffer

Try

\startbuffer
   \samplefile{lorem}
   \leftparinsert
[lines=3,xoffset=\leftskip]{\blackrule[color=red,width=2cm,height=1sh,depth=1sd+2lh]}
   \samplefile{lorem}
   \rightparinsert[lines=3,xoffset=-\rightskip]{\blackrule[color=red,width=2cm,height=1sh,depth=1sd+2lh]}
   \samplefile{lorem}
\stopbuffer

>
> \starttext
>
> \title{Default text direction}
>
> \getbuffer
>
> \title{Reverse text direction}
>
> \startalignment[r2l]
> \getbuffer
> \stopalignment

This one works here with the alternative approach that Hans added
today (not uploaded yet).

/Mikael

>
> \title{Narrow paragraphs}
>
> \startnarrower
> \getbuffer
> \stopnarrower
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 07.01.26 um 11:36 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see https:// 
> tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and an 
> explanation / example by Mikael.

I finally tried it.
Unfortunately, with my buffer setup for code examples, the inserts are 
always in the last line:

"""
\starttext

\startbuffer[ParInsert]
\setuppapersize[A7,landscape]
\setuplayout[backspace=0mm,width=1pw,topspace=0mm,height=1ph,header=0mm,footer=0mm]
\setupbodyfont[10pt]
\setupexternalfigures[location=default]
\starttext

%% ex:start
\samplefile{lorem}%
\space\rightparinsert[color=darkred]{Insert!}
\space\leftparinsert[lines=3]{%
\externalfigure[cow][height=3lh,location=top]}%
%% ex:stop

\stoptext
\stopbuffer

\typebuffer[ParInsert][option=TEX,range={ex:start,ex:stop},numbering=file]

\framedtext[frame=on, width=1tw, offset=1dk]{%
\typesetbuffer[ParInsert][page=1]}

\stoptext
"""


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 12.01.26 um 18:09 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> Am 07.01.26 um 11:36 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
>> - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see https:// 
>> tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and an 
>> explanation / example by Mikael.
> 
> I finally tried it.
> Unfortunately, with my buffer setup for code examples, the inserts are 
> always in the last line:

Would it be possible to base the inserts on \framed, to use the usual 
parameters?

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/12/2026 10:49 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 12.01.26 um 18:09 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
>> Am 07.01.26 um 11:36 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
>>> - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see 
>>> https:// tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and 
>>> an explanation / example by Mikael.
>>
>> I finally tried it.
>> Unfortunately, with my buffer setup for code examples, the inserts are 
>> always in the last line:
> 
> Would it be possible to base the inserts on \framed, to use the usual 
> parameters?

it is kind of a low level feature and framed would introduce alignment 
trickery .. we don't expect this to be used that often anyway

(btw, the next upload will have a bit different but more robust low 
level implementation, interfaces are the same; we're playing bit with 
variants)

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 13.01.26 um 00:34 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> On 1/12/2026 10:49 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> Am 12.01.26 um 18:09 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
>>> Am 07.01.26 um 11:36 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
>>>> - a new parinject feature, that Hraban likely will abuse, see 
>>>> https:// tex.stackexchange.com/a/758011/52406 for the rationale and 
>>>> an explanation / example by Mikael.
>>>
>>> I finally tried it.
>>> Unfortunately, with my buffer setup for code examples, the inserts 
>>> are always in the last line:
>>
>> Would it be possible to base the inserts on \framed, to use the usual 
>> parameters?
> 
> it is kind of a low level feature and framed would introduce alignment 
> trickery .. we don't expect this to be used that often anyway
> 
> (btw, the next upload will have a bit different but more robust low 
> level implementation, interfaces are the same; we're playing bit with 
> variants)

Ok, thanks for clarification.

My problem (in buffer/frame) was due to a misunderstanding – I first 
thought that lines would be an offset instead of the height and didn’t 
understand that the insert works on the current line / the next 
paragraph instead of the previous. Sorry for the noise!

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

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Just found this extreme example of inserts-layout on the LilyPond users 
mailing list.
Is this a Christian thing? 🤔

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Bruce Horrocks]

> On 19 Jan 2026, at 18:27, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
> 
> Just found this extreme example of inserts-layout on the LilyPond users mailing list.
> Is this a Christian thing? 🤔

It looks like a reminder of the notes to use by a priest when chanting the verse.[1]

This page has an introductory video.
<https://www.ccwatershed.org/2013/05/27/how-chant-readings-mass-sing-gospel-lessons/>

However, I find it unlikely that a priest would need to be reminded of the notes to use when singing "amen" at the end so it might just be a reminder that the verse is to be sung? Or simply nice typography.

Interesting find though.

Regards,

[1]  Gregorian chant uses a four-line stave.
<https://maternalheart.org/resources/gregorian_chant_notation/>


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[NTG-context] upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

Hi,

I just did an upload. Apart from a few catches (like that arrow and some 
improvements in columnsets) the main additions are in the metafun 
department and performance.

- We added some parpasses (like 'mathbook') and we can now set them up 
with the align options. The vectors used are defined as constants 
(engine speak) which makes the performance impact kind of neglectable.

- Also some predefined penalty vectors (think widowpenalties) became 
constant (as it's unlikely or unwise to change them) which is more 
efficient as they otherwise get copied every paragraph.

- When testing with Mikaels math book (290 pages in 7.4 sec on his 
chromebook) we'd set a new target at 7 and later 6 seconds and 
eventually could get that and ended up at 5.3 seconds once we noticed 
that there was an huge graphic involved (so now our target is 4 sec). 
Caching demanding mp graphics helped but was still good for > .5 
seconds. As a consequence we added a new function variant (see 
luametafun, domain functions so that runtime went down from > .5 seconds 
to about .03 sec) and we also made sure that inclusion of cached mp 
pages was more performant (when 'compact' inclusion is enabled in the 
page streams get parsed).

- When multiple lua driven rendering features are used (happens seldom) 
there can be a bit of a speedup too. If someone thinks that there is a 
botleneck somewhere .. make an example and tell us.

(Of course bying a new fancy laptop would half my runtime anyway but 
occasionally one wants a challenge.)

- There is now a ppchtex-mkiv manual but it's work in progress and it 
needs checking. One thing I observed is that as we now default to 
'double' instead of 'scaled' some rounding / comparison cases differ so
when in douuibt, check with:

% \ctxlua{chemistry.method = "scaled"}

We still need to check / add updated columnset manuals so that might be 
next on the agenda.

That's all,

Hans



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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Robert via ntg-context]

> Op 27 okt 2025, om 23:43 heeft Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just did an upload. Apart from a few catches (like that arrow and some improvements in columnsets) the main additions are in the metafun department and performance.
> 
Thank you very much Hans, I will certainly give the columnsets another try.
Robert

> - We added some parpasses (like 'mathbook') and we can now set them up with the align options. The vectors used are defined as constants (engine speak) which makes the performance impact kind of neglectable.
> 
> - Also some predefined penalty vectors (think widowpenalties) became constant (as it's unlikely or unwise to change them) which is more efficient as they otherwise get copied every paragraph.
> 
> - When testing with Mikaels math book (290 pages in 7.4 sec on his chromebook) we'd set a new target at 7 and later 6 seconds and eventually could get that and ended up at 5.3 seconds once we noticed that there was an huge graphic involved (so now our target is 4 sec). Caching demanding mp graphics helped but was still good for > .5 seconds. As a consequence we added a new function variant (see luametafun, domain functions so that runtime went down from > .5 seconds to about .03 sec) and we also made sure that inclusion of cached mp pages was more performant (when 'compact' inclusion is enabled in the page streams get parsed).
> 
> - When multiple lua driven rendering features are used (happens seldom) there can be a bit of a speedup too. If someone thinks that there is a botleneck somewhere .. make an example and tell us.
> 
> (Of course bying a new fancy laptop would half my runtime anyway but occasionally one wants a challenge.)
> 
> - There is now a ppchtex-mkiv manual but it's work in progress and it needs checking. One thing I observed is that as we now default to 'double' instead of 'scaled' some rounding / comparison cases differ so
> when in douuibt, check with:
> 
> % \ctxlua{chemistry.method = "scaled"}
> 
> We still need to check / add updated columnset manuals so that might be next on the agenda.
> 
> That's all,
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2025-10-27 23:43, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> [...]
> We still need to check / add updated columnset manuals so that might be 
> next on the agenda.
> 
> That's all,

Just as a comment, yesterday the sources for the new columnsets manual
were added:

tex/texmf-context/doc/context/sources/general/manuals/mvlcolumnsets/mvlcolumnsets.tex

Many thanks, both Hans and Mikael, for this new manual.

Looking forward the other columnsets manual,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[vm via ntg-context]

the document does not compile on my linux machine:

mkxl run stats  > used platform: linux-64, type: unix, binary subtree: 
texmf-linux-64
mkxl run stats  > used engine: luametatex version: 2.11.08, 
functionality level: 20251029, format id: 724, compiler: gcc
mkxl run stats  > tex properties: 938218 hash slots used of 2097152, 
53520 control sequences, approximate memory usage: 113 MB
mkxl run stats  > lua properties: engine: lua 5.5, format 2, used 
memory: 58 MB, ctx: 51 MB, max: 120 MB, symbol mask: utf (τεχ)
mkxl run stats  > runtime: 1.580 seconds, 10 processed pages, 10 shipped 
pages, 6.329 pages/second
system          | total runtime: 1.587 seconds of 1.651 seconds

graphics        > fixes > todo: here we have a test case
free(): double free detected in tcache 2
Aborted (core dumped)
mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1





any hints?
.F

On 30/10/2025 16:56, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
> On 2025-10-27 23:43, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>> We still need to check / add updated columnset manuals so that might be
>> next on the agenda.
>>
>> That's all,
> 
> Just as a comment, yesterday the sources for the new columnsets manual
> were added:
> 
> tex/texmf-context/doc/context/sources/general/manuals/mvlcolumnsets/mvlcolumnsets.tex
> 
> Many thanks, both Hans and Mikael, for this new manual.
> 
> Looking forward the other columnsets manual,
> 
> Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 10/30/2025 5:50 PM, vm via ntg-context wrote:
> the document does not compile on my linux machine:
> 
> mkxl run stats  > used platform: linux-64, type: unix, binary subtree: 
> texmf-linux-64
> mkxl run stats  > used engine: luametatex version: 2.11.08, 
> functionality level: 20251029, format id: 724, compiler: gcc
> mkxl run stats  > tex properties: 938218 hash slots used of 2097152, 
> 53520 control sequences, approximate memory usage: 113 MB
> mkxl run stats  > lua properties: engine: lua 5.5, format 2, used 
> memory: 58 MB, ctx: 51 MB, max: 120 MB, symbol mask: utf (τεχ)
> mkxl run stats  > runtime: 1.580 seconds, 10 processed pages, 10 shipped 
> pages, 6.329 pages/second
> system          | total runtime: 1.587 seconds of 1.651 seconds
> 
> graphics        > fixes > todo: here we have a test case
> free(): double free detected in tcache 2
> Aborted (core dumped)
> mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1

> any hints?

there is an invalid (incomplete) pdf that pplib crashes on

change [columnset*] to [mvlcolumnset*] in the main file (there's still 
some error but not fatal)


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[vm via ntg-context]

On 30/10/2025 18:16, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
>>
> 
> there is an invalid (incomplete) pdf that pplib crashes on
> 
> change [columnset*] to [mvlcolumnset*] in the main file (there's still 
> some error but not fatal)


  0 uncompressed, 18 compressed, 1 not compressed, threshold 40
mkxl run stats  > positions: 103 collected, 17 deltas, 97 shared 
partials, 12 partial entries
mkxl run stats  > used platform: linux-64, type: unix, binary subtree: 
texmf-linux-64
mkxl run stats  > used engine: luametatex version: 2.11.08, 
functionality level: 20251029, format id: 724, compiler: gcc
mkxl run stats  > tex properties: 938218 hash slots used of 2097152, 
53519 control sequences, approximate memory usage: 113 MB
mkxl run stats  > lua properties: engine: lua 5.5, format 2, used 
memory: 60 MB, ctx: 52 MB, max: 82 MB, symbol mask: utf (τεχ)
mkxl run stats  > runtime: 1.603 seconds, 10 processed pages, 10 shipped 
pages, 6.238 pages/second
system          | total runtime: 4.799 seconds of 4.868 seconds

graphics        > fixes > todo: here we have a test case
free(): double free detected in tcache 2
Aborted (core dumped)
mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1





not yet

.F
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upload

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

I uploaded a new version, this time a bit of beta, because of:

-- reworked control over callbacks: more restrictive, some protection 
against overload, better control; as a side effect context can run a bit 
faster but it depends on the job and features used; if something is not 
working as expected it might relate to this (easy to fix)

-- some preparations for an upgrade of grid snapping, profiling and 
spacing (mostly related to math in the new columnsets); we're still 
working on columnsets (side effect of mikael converting some advanced 
documents to use it)

-- overload protection enabled, for the moment only the warnings but at 
some point we might become more restrictive; keep an eye on messages so 
that you can see where your styles actually messes with already defined 
macros or enter the dangerous zone of changing primitives; fwiw: i've 
been running the highest level of protection already for years now 
(error mode) .. you can try \enabledirectives [overloadmode=error] at 
the top of your file to see how badly you behave

-- a few fixes here and there (related to mailing list questions and 
reports); nothing spectacular

-- some preparations wrt the new signalling mechanism(s) ... more about 
that after the meeting

-- additional warnings (or abort) in case one runs from tex live and 
missing or expected files

-- we're playing with some potential speedups but given the litle gain 
they might not make it into the lot eventually (if you run into 
bottlenecks, lets me know, with examples)

if there are unexpected side effects, let me know and i'll fix and 
upload again

Hans

ps. i might reintroduce the beta/current updating scheme at some point 
.. still undecided

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Max Chernoff via ntg-context]

Hi Hans,

On Thu, 2025-06-12 at 13:56 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> I uploaded a new version,

Looks like my autoupdating scripts worked well, the new version should
be available in TeX Live as of a few hours ago.

In case anyone ever encounters any critical bugs in the version packaged
by TeX Live, it's pretty easy to downgrade the prior version:

    $ tlmgr restore context 75454
    $ tlmgr restore context.x86_64-linux 75425

(run "tlmgr restore context" to list the available versions)

Or if you need to downgrade to an even earlier version, it's only
slightly more involved:

    $ rm /usr/local/texlive/2025/bin/x86_64-linux/{mtxrun,mtxrun.lua,context,context.lua,luametatex}
    $ tlmgr install --reinstall --file \
          https://texlive.info/tlnet-archive/2025/06/12/tlnet/archive/context.tar.xz \
          https://texlive.info/tlnet-archive/2025/06/12/tlnet/archive/context.x86_64-linux.tar.xz

(replace the "2025/06/12" with whatever date you want to downgrade to)

> -- additional warnings (or abort) in case one runs from tex live and
> missing or expected files

Sure, fine by me. One possible idea: instead of relying on the file
luametatex.h existing/not existing, I could add a "distributed_by" key
(or similar) to the texmfcnf.lua file in TeX Live. Then ConTeXt could
display the contents of that key in the log file, right below the
ConTeXt version, so that it's clear to users (and people reading
messages to the mailing list) that they're using an unofficial version.

> ps. i might reintroduce the beta/current updating scheme at some point
> .. still undecided

Also fine by me; let me know if you ever want me to make any changes to
the packaging in TeX Live.

> % texmf-dist/tex/context/modules/mkxl/m-texlive.mkxl
> %D This is a variant on code I found in a \TEXLIVE\ installation in \type
> %D {cont-sys.mkxl} in 2025. In \type {cont-sys.mkxl} one can add this:
> %D
> %D \starttyping
> %D \usemodule[texlive]
> %D \stoptyping

I've updated cont-sys.mkxl with your new code, thanks!

> %D I guess that the reason for this hackery is that a \TEXLIVE\ doesn't do
> %D an update of the file database after installing some \CONTEXT\ related
> %D files. In a similar manner, when a used updated something \CONTEXT\ we
> %D don't generate an lsr file. Here both are checked.

So TeX Live (tlmgr) always runs "mtxrun [--luatex] --generate" and
"context [--luatex] --make" whenever it modifies any ConTeXt files, but
since most users install TeX Live to "/usr/local/texlive/$YEAR" (or
similar), tlmgr runs as root, so it can only update the caches/formats
in "/usr/local/texlive/$YEAR/texmf-var/". But if a someone ever runs
"mtxrun --generate" or "context --make" as a regular user, ConTeXt will
create caches/formats in "~/.texlive$YEAR/texmf-var/", and then it will
ignore all the files in "/usr/local/texlive/$YEAR/texmf-var/", even if
they're newer than the user-local ones.

I wrote that code as a quick hack back in 2023, but as we all know,
quick hacks tend to stay around far longer than they should :). If
there's some way to tell ConTeXt to always use the system's filename
cache files for "root == 'selfautoparent:texmf-dist'", and then the
user-local filename cache files for other roots, that would probably be
even better.

Thanks again,
-- Max
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/14/2025 8:47 AM, Max Chernoff via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> On Thu, 2025-06-12 at 13:56 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> I uploaded a new version,
> 
> Looks like my autoupdating scripts worked well, the new version should
> be available in TeX Live as of a few hours ago.

hm, there will be a new upload with some reported issues fixed ... i 
wonder if a too frequent texlive sync is good, as it sounds pretty beta 
and isn't tex live also in linux distributions? maybe some delay is 
better; is there some policy wrt that in texlive? like monthly update or 
so that we can then adapt to?

> In case anyone ever encounters any critical bugs in the version packaged
> by TeX Live, it's pretty easy to downgrade the prior version:
> 
>      $ tlmgr restore context 75454
>      $ tlmgr restore context.x86_64-linux 75425
> 
> (run "tlmgr restore context" to list the available versions)
> 
> Or if you need to downgrade to an even earlier version, it's only
> slightly more involved:
> 
>      $ rm /usr/local/texlive/2025/bin/x86_64-linux/{mtxrun,mtxrun.lua,context,context.lua,luametatex}
>      $ tlmgr install --reinstall --file \
>            https://texlive.info/tlnet-archive/2025/06/12/tlnet/archive/context.tar.xz \
>            https://texlive.info/tlnet-archive/2025/06/12/tlnet/archive/context.x86_64-linux.tar.xz
> 
> (replace the "2025/06/12" with whatever date you want to downgrade to)
> 
>> -- additional warnings (or abort) in case one runs from tex live and
>> missing or expected files
 > > Sure, fine by me. One possible idea: instead of relying on the file
> luametatex.h existing/not existing, I could add a "distributed_by" key
> (or similar) to the texmfcnf.lua file in TeX Live. Then ConTeXt could
> display the contents of that key in the log file, right below the
> ConTeXt version, so that it's clear to users (and people reading
> messages to the mailing list) that they're using an unofficial version.

that would only work for texlive then but it could be an option indeed

>> ps. i might reintroduce the beta/current updating scheme at some point
>> .. still undecided
> 
> Also fine by me; let me know if you ever want me to make any changes to
> the packaging in TeX Live.

i'll think of it; basically in the installer you can already set it to 
beta so it's basiclaly just another path then but it might not be worth 
the trouble in the end

>> % texmf-dist/tex/context/modules/mkxl/m-texlive.mkxl
>> %D This is a variant on code I found in a \TEXLIVE\ installation in \type
>> %D {cont-sys.mkxl} in 2025. In \type {cont-sys.mkxl} one can add this:
>> %D
>> %D \starttyping
>> %D \usemodule[texlive]
>> %D \stoptyping
> 
> I've updated cont-sys.mkxl with your new code, thanks!

Ha, you noticed. I wanted to test that but you beat me on that.

>> %D I guess that the reason for this hackery is that a \TEXLIVE\ doesn't do
>> %D an update of the file database after installing some \CONTEXT\ related
>> %D files. In a similar manner, when a used updated something \CONTEXT\ we
>> %D don't generate an lsr file. Here both are checked.
> 
> So TeX Live (tlmgr) always runs "mtxrun [--luatex] --generate" and
> "context [--luatex] --make" whenever it modifies any ConTeXt files, but
> since most users install TeX Live to "/usr/local/texlive/$YEAR" (or
> similar), tlmgr runs as root, so it can only update the caches/formats
> in "/usr/local/texlive/$YEAR/texmf-var/". But if a someone ever runs
> "mtxrun --generate" or "context --make" as a regular user, ConTeXt will
> create caches/formats in "~/.texlive$YEAR/texmf-var/", and then it will
> ignore all the files in "/usr/local/texlive/$YEAR/texmf-var/", even if
> they're newer than the user-local ones.

i suppose it also catched users putting e.g. fonts someplace without 
runnign file database updaters .. chicken-egg stuff (also becaus ein 
context we have texmf-fonts and a more flat structure)

btw, i installed a texlive in a vm and it seemd to work (i explicitly 
have to set these paths to a more reliable isolation (i want no funny 
.foo and mess in ~) but using the same tex related var local and home 
paths works)

> I wrote that code as a quick hack back in 2023, but as we all know,
> quick hacks tend to stay around far longer than they should :). If
> there's some way to tell ConTeXt to always use the system's filename
> cache files for "root == 'selfautoparent:texmf-dist'", and then the
> user-local filename cache files for other roots, that would probably be
> even better.

indeed. and having a module has better change of keeping in sync

if we need more explanation in that file, we can add it (Just let me know)

(i wondered about a warning of using a different than default papersize 
as set up by texlve - i saw that it's optional in the installer - but 
that is a bit hard to catch realiable but i'll think about it; manuals 
are rendered assuming A4)

Thanks for the patience and effort.

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Max Chernoff via ntg-context]

Hi Hans,

On Sat, 2025-06-14 at 09:41 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 6/14/2025 8:47 AM, Max Chernoff via ntg-context wrote:
> i wonder if a too frequent texlive sync is good, as it sounds pretty beta

My thinking was that if it's stable enough for the users of the
Standalone Distribution (many of whom use ConTeXt professionally), then
it should be stable enough for TeX Live. The build script tries
compiling a very basic test document

    https://github.com/gucci-on-fleek/maxchernoff.ca/blob/master/builder/containers/tex/context-cache.tex

and aborts if it doesn't give the expected output, so the TL version
should never be *completely* broken. And it's pretty common for new
LaTeX releases to break lots of documents; people have posted tons of
duplicates of this question

    https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/735500

in this past week. Even the perpetually-stable pdfTeX had a few bugs
earlier this year.

> and isn't tex live also in linux distributions?

Yes, but almost all the distros base their packages off of the annual
ISOs, most of which are severely outdated (TL23 and older are common):

    https://repology.org/project/texlive/versions
    https://repology.org/project/texlive-base/versions

> maybe some delay is
> better; is there some policy wrt that in texlive?

Karl updates the packages in TL every day; most days there are 3--8
different packages that get updated. And it's pretty common for packages
to be updated multiple times in a week (often after a new major version
was released), and there are a few packages that are consistently
updated almost every week.

> like monthly update or so that we can then adapt to?

Sure, I can reduce the update frequency if you want; right now it's set
to check for updates daily, but it's easy to change it to every second
day/weekly/monthly/etc. My thinking was that since all software has
bugs, frequent updates in TL will shorten the interval between people
reporting bugs and them receiving the fix. Or I can let the autoupdater
run daily most of the time, but then disable it during the weeks of
BachoTeX and the ConTeXt Meeting (when updates tend to be more
frequent).

> (i wondered about a warning of using a different than default papersize
> as set up by texlve - i saw that it's optional in the installer -
> [...] but i'll think about it; manuals
> are rendered assuming A4)

I tried convincing Karl to let me remove the system-dependent paper
stuff (which I added in the first place at his request), but he wants to
keep it for consistency with the other formats.

> but that is a bit hard to catch realiable

If the file "context-papersize.tex" exists (full path:

    $TEXMFCONFIG/tex/context/user/context-papersize.tex

), then the user has ran "sudo tlmgr paper [letter|a4]"; otherwise, TeX
Live will use the default settings. So the only case that you should
need to check for is if "context-papersize.tex" contains the following
contents:

    \setuppapersize[letter][letter]

Thanks,
-- Max
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/14/2025 10:47 AM, Max Chernoff via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> On Sat, 2025-06-14 at 09:41 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 6/14/2025 8:47 AM, Max Chernoff via ntg-context wrote:
>> i wonder if a too frequent texlive sync is good, as it sounds pretty beta
> 
> My thinking was that if it's stable enough for the users of the
> Standalone Distribution (many of whom use ConTeXt professionally), then
> it should be stable enough for TeX Live. The build script tries

sure, definitely after a few days (occasionally we have some fundamental 
update, in this case callback refactoring)

> compiling a very basic test document
> 
>      https://github.com/gucci-on-fleek/maxchernoff.ca/blob/master/builder/containers/tex/context-cache.tex
> 
> and aborts if it doesn't give the expected output, so the TL version
> should never be *completely* broken. And it's pretty common for new
> LaTeX releases to break lots of documents; people have posted tons of
> duplicates of this question
> 
>      https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/735500

oh, but latex (instability) is not our benchmark (btw, interesting that 
latex can be broken because from that end it was always suggested that 
context is moving target while latex is guaranteed stable due to 
regression testing but i didn't keep up with the latest perceptions)

> in this past week. Even the perpetually-stable pdfTeX had a few bugs
> earlier this year.

oh ... i thought that pdftex was very stable and admit that i never 
check mkii with that (i just assume that when we can make a mkii format 
we're fine)

in this recent upload i actually mentioned some changes that needed 
testing; normally a problem shows up soonish and then we fix, after that 
we enter a period of no uploads; i consider tex live context users to be 
more interested in stable while those using the installer (and on the 
mailing list) are more adventurous, involved in new features, awar eof 
developments, and they either wait with an update or make a copy of the 
current tree (which is relatively small compared to texlive)  and just 
help testing

>> and isn't tex live also in linux distributions?
> 
> Yes, but almost all the distros base their packages off of the annual
> ISOs, most of which are severely outdated (TL23 and older are common):
> 
>      https://repology.org/project/texlive/versions
>      https://repology.org/project/texlive-base/versions

ok, so we're safe there

>> maybe some delay is
>> better; is there some policy wrt that in texlive?
> 
> Karl updates the packages in TL every day; most days there are 3--8
> different packages that get updated. And it's pretty common for packages
> to be updated multiple times in a week (often after a new major version
> was released), and there are a few packages that are consistently
> updated almost every week.

hm, times have changed ... (i wonder how that impacts users who expect 
for instance fonts and patterns to be the same over time but maybe they 
juist don't update or at least not hit the update button without checking)

>> like monthly update or so that we can then adapt to?
> 
> Sure, I can reduce the update frequency if you want; right now it's set
> to check for updates daily, but it's easy to change it to every second
> day/weekly/monthly/etc. My thinking was that since all software has
> bugs, frequent updates in TL will shorten the interval between people
> reporting bugs and them receiving the fix. Or I can let the autoupdater
> run daily most of the time, but then disable it during the weeks of
> BachoTeX and the ConTeXt Meeting (when updates tend to be more
> frequent).

let's for now keep an eye on matters and evaluate later

>> (i wondered about a warning of using a different than default papersize
>> as set up by texlve - i saw that it's optional in the installer -
>> [...] but i'll think about it; manuals
>> are rendered assuming A4)
> 
> I tried convincing Karl to let me remove the system-dependent paper
> stuff (which I added in the first place at his request), but he wants to
> keep it for consistency with the other formats.

thanks for trying

>> but that is a bit hard to catch realiable
> 
> If the file "context-papersize.tex" exists (full path:
> 
>      $TEXMFCONFIG/tex/context/user/context-papersize.tex
> 
> ), then the user has ran "sudo tlmgr paper [letter|a4]"; otherwise, TeX
> Live will use the default settings. So the only case that you should
> need to check for is if "context-papersize.tex" contains the following
> contents:
> 
>      \setuppapersize[letter][letter]

if maybe just if that file is there, right?

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Max Chernoff via ntg-context]

Hi Hans,

On Sat, 2025-06-14 at 11:45 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > in this past week. Even the perpetually-stable pdfTeX had a few bugs
> > earlier this year.
>
> oh ... i thought that pdftex was very stable and admit that i never
> check mkii with that (i just assume that when we can make a mkii format
> we're fine)

I remember the one bug being a spacing issue that only showed up with
very specific documents, the other bug I accidentally introduced while
fixing a different bug (oops). Both bugs were fixed before TL25 was
released (or maybe it was shortly after?), so MkII should be fine.

> > Karl updates the packages in TL every day; most days there are 3--8
> > different packages that get updated. And it's pretty common for packages
> > to be updated multiple times in a week (often after a new major version
> > was released), and there are a few packages that are consistently
> > updated almost every week.
>
> hm, times have changed ... (i wonder how that impacts users who expect
> for instance fonts and patterns to be the same over time but maybe they
> juist don't update or at least not hit the update button without checking)

Most of the font authors are pretty careful to not change the metrics in
updates, so that's not usually a big deal. But hyphenation patterns
definitely change, so most users who care about identical page breaks
will just use a frozen (and usually ancient) version of TeX Live and
never upgrade.

> > > like monthly update or so that we can then adapt to?
> >
> > Sure, I can reduce the update frequency if you want; right now it's set
> > to check for updates daily, but it's easy to change it to every second
> > day/weekly/monthly/etc. My thinking was that since all software has
> > bugs, frequent updates in TL will shorten the interval between people
> > reporting bugs and them receiving the fix. Or I can let the autoupdater
> > run daily most of the time, but then disable it during the weeks of
> > BachoTeX and the ConTeXt Meeting (when updates tend to be more
> > frequent).
>
> let's for now keep an eye on matters and evaluate later

Ok, sounds good to me. Let me know if/when you want me to change
anything.

> > > but that is a bit hard to catch realiable
> >
> > If the file "context-papersize.tex" exists (full path:
> >
> >      $TEXMFCONFIG/tex/context/user/context-papersize.tex
> >
> > ), then the user has ran "sudo tlmgr paper [letter|a4]"; otherwise, TeX
> > Live will use the default settings. So the only case that you should
> > need to check for is if "context-papersize.tex" contains the following
> > contents:
> >
> >      \setuppapersize[letter][letter]
>
> if maybe just if that file is there, right?

If you run "tlmgr paper a4" the file will contain

    \setuppapersize[A4][A4]

which is probably not worth warning over.

Thanks,
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[NTG-context] upload

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

Thanks to Bruce end others for providing input and testing it we managed 
to get binary that works on apple arm. Hopefully there are not more 
issues as we need to make a tex live 2025 snapshot this month.

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

«Tagged PDF» still is broken:


\setupbackend[
format={pdf/a-1b:2005},
profile={default_cmyk.icc,default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
intent=Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004),
level=0]

\setupstructure[state=start,method=auto]
\setupbackend[export=yes]

\starttext
TEST
\stoptext


Steffen




> Am 12.02.2025 um 12:05 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks to Bruce end others for providing input and testing it we managed to get binary that works on apple arm. Hopefully there are not more issues as we need to make a tex live 2025 snapshot this month.
> 
> Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 2/12/2025 3:48 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> «Tagged PDF» still is broken:
> 
> 
> \setupbackend[
> format={pdf/a-1b:2005},
> profile={default_cmyk.icc,default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
> intent=Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004),
> level=0]
> 
> \setupstructure[state=start,method=auto]
> \setupbackend[export=yes]
> 
> \starttext
> TEST
> \stoptext

define broken ... you're not enabling tagging and enabling export will 
disable some other features so you get a different pdf anyway

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 12.02.2025 um 16:13 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> On 2/12/2025 3:48 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> «Tagged PDF» still is broken:
>> \setupbackend[
>> format={pdf/a-1b:2005},
>> profile={default_cmyk.icc,default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
>> intent=Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004),
>> level=0]
>> \setupstructure[state=start,method=auto]
>> \setupbackend[export=yes]
>> \starttext
>> TEST
>> \stoptext
> 
> define broken ... you're not enabling tagging and enabling export will disable some other features so you get a different pdf anyway


When I run this test files with e.g. ConTeXt  ver: 2022.07.06 21:42 LMTX 
then opening the PDF in Acrobat Reader it says: Document Properties > Tagged PDF : »Yes«.

When I use the current ConText its says »No«.

And the publishing houses demand Tagged PDF (because of accessibility).
Steffen 

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/13/2025 3:28 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
> 
>> Am 12.02.2025 um 16:13 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>
>> On 2/12/2025 3:48 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> «Tagged PDF» still is broken:
>>> \setupbackend[
>>> format={pdf/a-1b:2005},
>>> profile={default_cmyk.icc,default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
>>> intent=Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004),
>>> level=0]
>>> \setupstructure[state=start,method=auto]
>>> \setupbackend[export=yes]
>>> \starttext
>>> TEST
>>> \stoptext
>>
>> define broken ... you're not enabling tagging and enabling export will disable some other features so you get a different pdf anyway
> 
> 
> When I run this test files with e.g. ConTeXt  ver: 2022.07.06 21:42 LMTX
> then opening the PDF in Acrobat Reader it says: Document Properties > Tagged PDF : »Yes«.
> 
> When I use the current ConText its says »No«.
> 
> And the publishing houses demand Tagged PDF (because of accessibility).

whatever that means ... for printing it doesn't matter ... for viewinfb 
they have to provide the tools and i bet they don't give you a full 
acrobat prescription

anyway, you don't read what we answer ... you need to enable tagging and 
not confuse it with exporting .. think something

\setuptagging
   [state=start]

\setupbackend
   [format=ua2]

\starttext
     TEST
\stoptext

instead.

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 13.02.2025 um 17:37 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
> 
> On 2/13/2025 3:28 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Am 12.02.2025 um 16:13 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>> 
>>> On 2/12/2025 3:48 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>> «Tagged PDF» still is broken:
>>>> \setupbackend[
>>>> format={pdf/a-1b:2005},
>>>> profile={default_cmyk.icc,default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
>>>> intent=Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004),
>>>> level=0]
>>>> \setupstructure[state=start,method=auto]
>>>> \setupbackend[export=yes]
>>>> \starttext
>>>> TEST
>>>> \stoptext
>>> 
>>> define broken ... you're not enabling tagging and enabling export will disable some other features so you get a different pdf anyway
>> When I run this test files with e.g. ConTeXt  ver: 2022.07.06 21:42 LMTX
>> then opening the PDF in Acrobat Reader it says: Document Properties > Tagged PDF : »Yes«.
>> When I use the current ConText its says »No«.
>> And the publishing houses demand Tagged PDF (because of accessibility).
> 
> whatever that means ... for printing it doesn't matter ... for viewinfb they have to provide the tools and i bet they don't give you a full acrobat prescription

(of course not)


> anyway, you don't read what we answer ... you need to enable tagging and not confuse it with exporting .. think something
> 
> \setuptagging
> [state=start]
> 
> \setupbackend
> [format=ua2]
> 
> \starttext
>   TEST
> \stoptext
> 
> instead.
> 
> Hans



Does that mean that this example should provide the urgently desired alt-text:

\setuptagging
[state=start]

\setupbackend
[format=ua2]

\setupexternalfigures[location=default]

\starttext
  \startPDFalternativetext{this is a cow}
      \externalfigure[cow]
  \stopPDFalternativetext
\stoptext


Really?! If so, I will send it to the publishers so they can check if it fulfills their needs.

Steffen



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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 14.02.2025 um 11:36 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum <context@st.estfiles.de>:
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 13.02.2025 um 17:37 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
>> 
>> On 2/13/2025 3:28 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>> Am 12.02.2025 um 16:13 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/12/2025 3:48 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>> «Tagged PDF» still is broken:
>>>>> \setupbackend[
>>>>> format={pdf/a-1b:2005},
>>>>> profile={default_cmyk.icc,default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
>>>>> intent=Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004),
>>>>> level=0]
>>>>> \setupstructure[state=start,method=auto]
>>>>> \setupbackend[export=yes]
>>>>> \starttext
>>>>> TEST
>>>>> \stoptext
>>>> 
>>>> define broken ... you're not enabling tagging and enabling export will disable some other features so you get a different pdf anyway
>>> When I run this test files with e.g. ConTeXt  ver: 2022.07.06 21:42 LMTX
>>> then opening the PDF in Acrobat Reader it says: Document Properties > Tagged PDF : »Yes«.
>>> When I use the current ConText its says »No«.
>>> And the publishing houses demand Tagged PDF (because of accessibility).
>> 
>> whatever that means ... for printing it doesn't matter ... for viewinfb they have to provide the tools and i bet they don't give you a full acrobat prescription
> 
> (of course not)
> 
> 
>> anyway, you don't read what we answer ... you need to enable tagging and not confuse it with exporting .. think something
>> 
>> \setuptagging
>> [state=start]
>> 
>> \setupbackend
>> [format=ua2]
>> 
>> \starttext
>>  TEST
>> \stoptext
>> 
>> instead.
>> 
>> Hans
> 
> 
> 
> Does that mean that this example should provide the urgently desired alt-text:
> 
> \setuptagging
> [state=start]
> 
> \setupbackend
> [format=ua2]
> 
> \setupexternalfigures[location=default]
> 
> \starttext
>  \startPDFalternativetext{this is a cow}
>      \externalfigure[cow]
>  \stopPDFalternativetext
> \stoptext
> 
> 
> Really?! If so, I will send it to the publishers so they can check if it fulfills their needs.
> 
> Steffen


I just received the feedback from the publishers: there is no alternative text in this example.

:o(

Steffen
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/14/25 11:57, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Am 14.02.2025 um 11:36 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum <context@st.estfiles.de>:
>> […]
>> Does that mean that this example should provide the urgently
>> desired alt-text:
>> […]
>> Really?! If so, I will send it to the publishers so they can check
>> if it fulfills their needs.>
> I just received the feedback from the publishers: there is no
> alternative text in this example.

Hi Steffen and Hans,

there is no alternative text in the PDF code because of lpdf-ini.lmt:

   local f_actual_text     = formatters["/Span <</ActualText %s >> BDC"]

-  local f_alternative_text  = formatters["/Span <</AltText %s >> BDC"]
+  local f_alternative_text  = formatters["/Span <</Alt %s >> BDC"]

   local s_actual_text_e     <const> = "EMC ET"

The PDF key name is "Alt"
(https://opensource.adobe.com/dc-acrobat-sdk-docs/pdfstandards/PDF32000_2008.pdf#page=567),
from PDF-1.3
(https://github.com/pdf-association/arlington-pdf-model/blob/master/tsv/1.3/StructElem.tsv)
to the latest version
(https://github.com/pdf-association/arlington-pdf-model/blob/master/tsv/latest/StructElem.tsv).

There seems to be no "AltText" key in the PDF specification, afaIk.

Besides other questions related to the accessibility directive, it would
be great to fix this issue.

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/14/2025 4:50 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
> On 2/14/25 11:57, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Am 14.02.2025 um 11:36 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum <context@st.estfiles.de>:
>>> […]
>>> Does that mean that this example should provide the urgently
>>> desired alt-text:
>>> […]
>>> Really?! If so, I will send it to the publishers so they can check
>>> if it fulfills their needs.>
>> I just received the feedback from the publishers: there is no
>> alternative text in this example.
> 
> Hi Steffen and Hans,
> 
> there is no alternative text in the PDF code because of lpdf-ini.lmt:
> 
>     local f_actual_text     = formatters["/Span <</ActualText %s >> BDC"]
> 
> -  local f_alternative_text  = formatters["/Span <</AltText %s >> BDC"]
> +  local f_alternative_text  = formatters["/Span <</Alt %s >> BDC"]
> 
>     local s_actual_text_e     <const> = "EMC ET"
> 
> The PDF key name is "Alt"
> (https://opensource.adobe.com/dc-acrobat-sdk-docs/pdfstandards/PDF32000_2008.pdf#page=567),
> from PDF-1.3
> (https://github.com/pdf-association/arlington-pdf-model/blob/master/tsv/1.3/StructElem.tsv)
> to the latest version
> (https://github.com/pdf-association/arlington-pdf-model/blob/master/tsv/latest/StructElem.tsv).
> 
> There seems to be no "AltText" key in the PDF specification, afaIk.
> 
> Besides other questions related to the accessibility directive, it would
> be great to fix this issue.

As you tested viewers before, can you check which ones do something with 
Alt and/or ActualText at all?

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

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On 2/14/25 17:13, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 2/14/2025 4:50 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>> […]
>> The PDF key name is "Alt"
>> […]
>> Besides other questions related to the accessibility directive, it would
>> be great to fix this issue.
>
> As you tested viewers before, can you check which ones do something with
> Alt and/or ActualText at all?

Many thanks for your fast reply, Hans.

I attach the sample file (Alt value "this is a cow", ActualText value
"hoh").

I don’t have access to a Windows computer now, so I cannot test Acrobat
or Chrome/Edge now.

With "Alt", these viewers seem to find no "cow" (using the previous
sample from Steffen): PDF.js, poppler (Evince/Okular), xpdf, mupdf-gl
(and SumatraPDF).

With "ActualText", the compilant viewers are mupdf-gl (plus SumatraPDF),
poppler (Evince/Okular), xpdf. PDF.js has only an open issue
(https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/issues/12237).

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/14/2025 6:05 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
> On 2/14/25 17:13, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 2/14/2025 4:50 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>>> […]
>>> The PDF key name is "Alt"
>>> […]
>>> Besides other questions related to the accessibility directive, it would
>>> be great to fix this issue.
>>
>> As you tested viewers before, can you check which ones do something with
>> Alt and/or ActualText at all?
> 
> Many thanks for your fast reply, Hans.
> 
> I attach the sample file (Alt value "this is a cow", ActualText value
> "hoh").
> 
> I don’t have access to a Windows computer now, so I cannot test Acrobat
> or Chrome/Edge now.
> 
> With "Alt", these viewers seem to find no "cow" (using the previous
> sample from Steffen): PDF.js, poppler (Evince/Okular), xpdf, mupdf-gl
> (and SumatraPDF).
> 
> With "ActualText", the compilant viewers are mupdf-gl (plus SumatraPDF),
> poppler (Evince/Okular), xpdf. PDF.js has only an open issue
> (https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/issues/12237).

So should one set both? Does it hurt? I suppose one is used for speach 
and another for copy-paste and that viewers mix and match what they like 
here. Could have the same values (when we set label)

You can try to uncoment in lpdf-tag:

              -- Alt        = alternate,

          -- Alt  = pdfunicode(label ~= "" and label or "image"),

irr we commented because some validator didn't like it but maybe we 
should not care about that too much. (Could also be under 
\enableexperiment control).

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/14/25 19:18, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 2/14/2025 6:05 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>> […]
>> With "Alt", these viewers seem to find no "cow" (using the previous
>> sample from Steffen): PDF.js, poppler (Evince/Okular), xpdf, mupdf-gl
>> (and SumatraPDF).
>>
>> With "ActualText", the compilant viewers are mupdf-gl (plus SumatraPDF),
>> poppler (Evince/Okular), xpdf. PDF.js has only an open issue
>> (https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/issues/12237).
>
> So should one set both?

Not for the same element, my fault.

> Does it hurt? I suppose one is used for speach
> and another for copy-paste and that viewers mix and match what they like
> here.

Alt is for speech and to replace non-textual elements. ActualText is
intended only for textual elements (text itself or images that contain
text).

> Could have the same values (when we set label)
>
> You can try to uncoment in lpdf-tag:
>
>               -- Alt        = alternate,
>
>           -- Alt  = pdfunicode(label ~= "" and label or "image"),
>
> irr we commented because some validator didn't like it but maybe we
> should not care about that too much. (Could also be under
> \enableexperiment control).

I will try to test this with the validators that come from the Arlington
PDF model.

BTW, ActualText doesn’t work in Edge (and I guess, Chrome [I don’t have
access to a computer with it installed]).

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/14/2025 11:36 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
> 
>> Am 13.02.2025 um 17:37 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
>>
>> On 2/13/2025 3:28 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>> Am 12.02.2025 um 16:13 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>>>
>>>> On 2/12/2025 3:48 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>> «Tagged PDF» still is broken:
>>>>> \setupbackend[
>>>>> format={pdf/a-1b:2005},
>>>>> profile={default_cmyk.icc,default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
>>>>> intent=Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004),
>>>>> level=0]
>>>>> \setupstructure[state=start,method=auto]
>>>>> \setupbackend[export=yes]
>>>>> \starttext
>>>>> TEST
>>>>> \stoptext
>>>>
>>>> define broken ... you're not enabling tagging and enabling export will disable some other features so you get a different pdf anyway
>>> When I run this test files with e.g. ConTeXt  ver: 2022.07.06 21:42 LMTX
>>> then opening the PDF in Acrobat Reader it says: Document Properties > Tagged PDF : »Yes«.
>>> When I use the current ConText its says »No«.
>>> And the publishing houses demand Tagged PDF (because of accessibility).
>>
>> whatever that means ... for printing it doesn't matter ... for viewinfb they have to provide the tools and i bet they don't give you a full acrobat prescription
> 
> (of course not)
> 
> 
>> anyway, you don't read what we answer ... you need to enable tagging and not confuse it with exporting .. think something
>>
>> \setuptagging
>> [state=start]
>>
>> \setupbackend
>> [format=ua2]
>>
>> \starttext
>>    TEST
>> \stoptext
>>
>> instead.
>>
>> Hans
> 
> 
> 
> Does that mean that this example should provide the urgently desired alt-text:
> 
> \setuptagging
> [state=start]
> 
> \setupbackend
> [format=ua2]
> 
> \setupexternalfigures[location=default]
> 
> \starttext
>    \startPDFalternativetext{this is a cow}
>        \externalfigure[cow]
>    \stopPDFalternativetext
> \stoptext
> 
> 
> Really?! If so, I will send it to the publishers so they can check if it fulfills their needs.

I assume you can try and did so because you indicated that your viewer 
gave some report. Of course you need to make sure not to introduce 
unwanted spaces (as in your example).

We can actually put an Alt on a specific image element (by setting 
label={...}) but for now it's disabled for now. Last time we checked 
some validators didn't like it and viewerd didn't do anything useful 
with it so ity made no sense to waste more time on it.

Just putting stuff in a pdf for the sake of having something is is 
tricky because who knows what future validation makes of it. It's a mess 
(and always has been and likely will be).

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 14.02.2025 um 11:58 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
> 
> On 2/14/2025 11:36 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Am 13.02.2025 um 17:37 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
>>> 
>>> On 2/13/2025 3:28 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>> Am 12.02.2025 um 16:13 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/12/2025 3:48 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>>> «Tagged PDF» still is broken:
>>>>>> \setupbackend[
>>>>>> format={pdf/a-1b:2005},
>>>>>> profile={default_cmyk.icc,default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
>>>>>> intent=Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004),
>>>>>> level=0]
>>>>>> \setupstructure[state=start,method=auto]
>>>>>> \setupbackend[export=yes]
>>>>>> \starttext
>>>>>> TEST
>>>>>> \stoptext
>>>>> 
>>>>> define broken ... you're not enabling tagging and enabling export will disable some other features so you get a different pdf anyway
>>>> When I run this test files with e.g. ConTeXt  ver: 2022.07.06 21:42 LMTX
>>>> then opening the PDF in Acrobat Reader it says: Document Properties > Tagged PDF : »Yes«.
>>>> When I use the current ConText its says »No«.
>>>> And the publishing houses demand Tagged PDF (because of accessibility).
>>> 
>>> whatever that means ... for printing it doesn't matter ... for viewinfb they have to provide the tools and i bet they don't give you a full acrobat prescription
>> (of course not)
>>> anyway, you don't read what we answer ... you need to enable tagging and not confuse it with exporting .. think something
>>> 
>>> \setuptagging
>>> [state=start]
>>> 
>>> \setupbackend
>>> [format=ua2]
>>> 
>>> \starttext
>>>   TEST
>>> \stoptext
>>> 
>>> instead.
>>> 
>>> Hans
>> Does that mean that this example should provide the urgently desired alt-text:
>> \setuptagging
>> [state=start]
>> \setupbackend
>> [format=ua2]
>> \setupexternalfigures[location=default]
>> \starttext
>>   \startPDFalternativetext{this is a cow}
>>       \externalfigure[cow]
>>   \stopPDFalternativetext
>> \stoptext
>> Really?! If so, I will send it to the publishers so they can check if it fulfills their needs.
> 
> I assume you can try and did so because you indicated that your viewer gave some report.

Acrobat Reader can be downloaded for free. In the Document Properties it reports only whether the PDF is a «Tagged PDF» or not. The tags themselves can only be seen by Acrobat Pro. (Due to the costs probably only publishing house work with Acrobat Pro.)


> Of course you need to make sure not to introduce unwanted spaces (as in your example).

I didn't want to introduce unwanted spaces. Where are spaces in my example?


> We can actually put an Alt on a specific image element (by setting label={...}) but for now it's disabled for now. Last time we checked some validators didn't like it and viewerd didn't do anything useful with it so ity made no sense to waste more time on it.
> 
> Just putting stuff in a pdf for the sake of having something is is tricky because who knows what future validation makes of it. It's a mess (and always has been and likely will be).

Strange. I don't know the situation in The Netherlands, but at least in Germany all publisher are obligated by law from 28th of  June 2025 on to provide books as PDF with tags and these alternative texts.

How do we manage this?

Steffen


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/14/2025 12:29 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
> 
>> Am 14.02.2025 um 11:58 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
>>
>> On 2/14/2025 11:36 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>> Am 13.02.2025 um 17:37 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
>>>>
>>>> On 2/13/2025 3:28 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>>> Am 12.02.2025 um 16:13 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/12/2025 3:48 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>>>> «Tagged PDF» still is broken:
>>>>>>> \setupbackend[
>>>>>>> format={pdf/a-1b:2005},
>>>>>>> profile={default_cmyk.icc,default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
>>>>>>> intent=Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004),
>>>>>>> level=0]
>>>>>>> \setupstructure[state=start,method=auto]
>>>>>>> \setupbackend[export=yes]
>>>>>>> \starttext
>>>>>>> TEST
>>>>>>> \stoptext
>>>>>>
>>>>>> define broken ... you're not enabling tagging and enabling export will disable some other features so you get a different pdf anyway
>>>>> When I run this test files with e.g. ConTeXt  ver: 2022.07.06 21:42 LMTX
>>>>> then opening the PDF in Acrobat Reader it says: Document Properties > Tagged PDF : »Yes«.
>>>>> When I use the current ConText its says »No«.
>>>>> And the publishing houses demand Tagged PDF (because of accessibility).
>>>>
>>>> whatever that means ... for printing it doesn't matter ... for viewinfb they have to provide the tools and i bet they don't give you a full acrobat prescription
>>> (of course not)
>>>> anyway, you don't read what we answer ... you need to enable tagging and not confuse it with exporting .. think something
>>>>
>>>> \setuptagging
>>>> [state=start]
>>>>
>>>> \setupbackend
>>>> [format=ua2]
>>>>
>>>> \starttext
>>>>    TEST
>>>> \stoptext
>>>>
>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>> Does that mean that this example should provide the urgently desired alt-text:
>>> \setuptagging
>>> [state=start]
>>> \setupbackend
>>> [format=ua2]
>>> \setupexternalfigures[location=default]
>>> \starttext
>>>    \startPDFalternativetext{this is a cow}
>>>        \externalfigure[cow]
>>>    \stopPDFalternativetext
>>> \stoptext
>>> Really?! If so, I will send it to the publishers so they can check if it fulfills their needs.
>>
>> I assume you can try and did so because you indicated that your viewer gave some report.
> 
> Acrobat Reader can be downloaded for free. In the Document Properties it reports only whether the PDF is a «Tagged PDF» or not. The tags themselves can only be seen by Acrobat Pro. (Due to the costs probably only publishing house work with Acrobat Pro.)

I rarely open Acrobat Reader ... if onlty because I then need time to 
recover from an acute allergy for intrusive user interface changes and / 
or its offer to come up with summaries etc usign some ai and i don't 
even know of the file isn't sent somewhere.

>> Of course you need to make sure not to introduce unwanted spaces (as in your example).
> 
> I didn't want to introduce unwanted spaces. Where are spaces in my example?

after } and then after ]

>> We can actually put an Alt on a specific image element (by setting label={...}) but for now it's disabled for now. Last time we checked some validators didn't like it and viewerd didn't do anything useful with it so ity made no sense to waste more time on it.
>>
>> Just putting stuff in a pdf for the sake of having something is is tricky because who knows what future validation makes of it. It's a mess (and always has been and likely will be).
> 
> Strange. I don't know the situation in The Netherlands, but at least in Germany all publisher are obligated by law from 28th of  June 2025 on to provide books as PDF with tags and these alternative texts.

Do they really have to provide books as pdf? I only buy printed books so 
I might be out of touch with reality (i.e. getting pdf's). Also, define 
publisher ...

I never had a publisher ask for something tagged. If they would come up 
with these demands I'd ask them to put their money where their mouth is 
(pay for development, extra work involved, tools needed).

> How do we manage this?

If 'we' means 'me' (Hans) ... well, some of these rules only apply to 
organizations that have a turnaround over 7 digits so I'm way of from 
worrying. Mikael and I looked into tagging for educational materials and 
stopped where it still made some sense (read: university tools are 
happy), and will pick up in a few years when there might be some usefull 
tools. Also we found out that with LLM based chatbots can interpret an 
untagged pdf quite well so we'll see.

That said: we have tagging in mkiv ... no one really cared that much (no 
tools that use them) ... and in mkxl we updated it a bit (still no 
tools) only to find out that tagged pdf (and the standard) has become 
fluid, seems to evolve, is kind of unstable, is a mess ... does a 
conforming 2 year old doc still validate? ... one cannot expect us to 
keep adapting for the sake of adapting, right? As it's all volunteer 
work, there are more instresting typesetting related things to explore.

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 14.02.2025 um 13:26 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
> 
> On 2/14/2025 12:29 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Am 14.02.2025 um 11:58 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
>>> 
>>> On 2/14/2025 11:36 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>> Am 13.02.2025 um 17:37 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/13/2025 3:28 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 12.02.2025 um 16:13 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2/12/2025 3:48 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>>>>> «Tagged PDF» still is broken:
>>>>>>>> \setupbackend[
>>>>>>>> format={pdf/a-1b:2005},
>>>>>>>> profile={default_cmyk.icc,default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
>>>>>>>> intent=Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004),
>>>>>>>> level=0]
>>>>>>>> \setupstructure[state=start,method=auto]
>>>>>>>> \setupbackend[export=yes]
>>>>>>>> \starttext
>>>>>>>> TEST
>>>>>>>> \stoptext
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> define broken ... you're not enabling tagging and enabling export will disable some other features so you get a different pdf anyway
>>>>>> When I run this test files with e.g. ConTeXt  ver: 2022.07.06 21:42 LMTX
>>>>>> then opening the PDF in Acrobat Reader it says: Document Properties > Tagged PDF : »Yes«.
>>>>>> When I use the current ConText its says »No«.
>>>>>> And the publishing houses demand Tagged PDF (because of accessibility).
>>>>> 
>>>>> whatever that means ... for printing it doesn't matter ... for viewinfb they have to provide the tools and i bet they don't give you a full acrobat prescription
>>>> (of course not)
>>>>> anyway, you don't read what we answer ... you need to enable tagging and not confuse it with exporting .. think something
>>>>> 
>>>>> \setuptagging
>>>>> [state=start]
>>>>> 
>>>>> \setupbackend
>>>>> [format=ua2]
>>>>> 
>>>>> \starttext
>>>>>  TEST
>>>>> \stoptext
>>>>> 
>>>>> instead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hans
>>>> Does that mean that this example should provide the urgently desired alt-text:
>>>> \setuptagging
>>>> [state=start]
>>>> \setupbackend
>>>> [format=ua2]
>>>> \setupexternalfigures[location=default]
>>>> \starttext
>>>>  \startPDFalternativetext{this is a cow}
>>>>      \externalfigure[cow]
>>>>  \stopPDFalternativetext
>>>> \stoptext
>>>> Really?! If so, I will send it to the publishers so they can check if it fulfills their needs.
>>> 
>>> I assume you can try and did so because you indicated that your viewer gave some report.
>> Acrobat Reader can be downloaded for free. In the Document Properties it reports only whether the PDF is a «Tagged PDF» or not. The tags themselves can only be seen by Acrobat Pro. (Due to the costs probably only publishing house work with Acrobat Pro.)
> 
> I rarely open Acrobat Reader ... if onlty because I then need time to recover from an acute allergy for intrusive user interface changes and / or its offer to come up with summaries etc usign some ai and i don't even know of the file isn't sent somewhere.
> 
>>> Of course you need to make sure not to introduce unwanted spaces (as in your example).
>> I didn't want to introduce unwanted spaces. Where are spaces in my example?
> 
> after } and then after ]
> 
>>> We can actually put an Alt on a specific image element (by setting label={...}) but for now it's disabled for now. Last time we checked some validators didn't like it and viewerd didn't do anything useful with it so ity made no sense to waste more time on it.
>>> 
>>> Just putting stuff in a pdf for the sake of having something is is tricky because who knows what future validation makes of it. It's a mess (and always has been and likely will be).
>> Strange. I don't know the situation in The Netherlands, but at least in Germany all publisher are obligated by law from 28th of  June 2025 on to provide books as PDF with tags and these alternative texts.
> 
> Do they really have to provide books as pdf? I only buy printed books so I might be out of touch with reality (i.e. getting pdf's). Also, define publisher ...
> 
> I never had a publisher ask for something tagged. If they would come up with these demands I'd ask them to put their money where their mouth is (pay for development, extra work involved, tools needed).
> 
>> How do we manage this?
> 
> If 'we' means 'me' (Hans) ... well, some of these rules only apply to organizations that have a turnaround over 7 digits so I'm way of from worrying. Mikael and I looked into tagging for educational materials and stopped where it still made some sense (read: university tools are happy), and will pick up in a few years when there might be some usefull tools. Also we found out that with LLM based chatbots can interpret an untagged pdf quite well so we'll see.
> 
> That said: we have tagging in mkiv ... no one really cared that much (no tools that use them) ... and in mkxl we updated it a bit (still no tools) only to find out that tagged pdf (and the standard) has become fluid, seems to evolve, is kind of unstable, is a mess ... does a conforming 2 year old doc still validate? ... one cannot expect us to keep adapting for the sake of adapting, right? As it's all volunteer work, there are more instresting typesetting related things to explore.


Hi Hans,

in my case the publisher that needs this feature right now is Heidelberg University Publishing: 
https://heiup.uni-heidelberg.de/

Definitely no turnaround over 7 digits. A small but committed publisher, that is engaged in making PDF documents also accessible for blind people.

Yours, Steffen
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/14/2025 8:03 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

> in my case the publisher that needs this feature right now is Heidelberg University Publishing:
> https://heiup.uni-heidelberg.de/
> 
> Definitely no turnaround over 7 digits. A small but committed publisher, that is engaged in making PDF documents also accessible for blind people.

- adding some Alt whatever to a pdf has been possible for ages but only 
when it's required by law they do it

- adding some simple label is not helping the blind, while making a 
dedicated document (or providing the sources) with more extensive 
description of what this image is showing makes more sense

- add audio resources to documents clearly explaining matters that 
require something that a blind person needs seems better to me (also 
something that can be done for ages)

so ... if publishers really cared about that they'd embraced tex as tool 
for *multiple* output (not only blind, maybe also huge fonts etc for bad 
eyesight or alternative coloring for color blind or ...)

not even now, with accessibility on the agenda, those demands show up 
... so forgive if i don't take publishers demands too serious on this

anyway, we'll see what direction pablos tests show us, and i'll adapt to 
that

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 14.02.2025 um 20:43 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
> 
> On 2/14/2025 8:03 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
>> in my case the publisher that needs this feature right now is Heidelberg University Publishing:
>> https://heiup.uni-heidelberg.de/
>> Definitely no turnaround over 7 digits. A small but committed publisher, that is engaged in making PDF documents also accessible for blind people.
> 
> - adding some Alt whatever to a pdf has been possible for ages but only when it's required by law they do it
> 
> - adding some simple label is not helping the blind, while making a dedicated document (or providing the sources) with more extensive description of what this image is showing makes more sense
> 
> - add audio resources to documents clearly explaining matters that require something that a blind person needs seems better to me (also something that can be done for ages)
> 
> so ... if publishers really cared about that they'd embraced tex as tool for *multiple* output (not only blind, maybe also huge fonts etc for bad eyesight or alternative coloring for color blind or ...)
> 
> not even now, with accessibility on the agenda, those demands show up ... so forgive if i don't take publishers demands too serious on this
> 
> anyway, we'll see what direction pablos tests show us, and i'll adapt to that
> 
> Hans


I agree completely.

Steffen
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

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> Am 14.02.2025 um 20:43 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl <mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl>>:
> 
> On 2/14/2025 8:03 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
>> in my case the publisher that needs this feature right now is Heidelberg University Publishing:
>> https://heiup.uni-heidelberg.de/ <https://heiup.uni-heidelberg.de/>
>> Definitely no turnaround over 7 digits. A small but committed publisher, that is engaged in making PDF documents also accessible for blind people.
> 
> - adding some Alt whatever to a pdf has been possible for ages but only when it's required by law they do it
> 
> - adding some simple label is not helping the blind, while making a dedicated document (or providing the sources) with more extensive description of what this image is showing makes more sense
> 
> - add audio resources to documents clearly explaining matters that require something that a blind person needs seems better to me (also something that can be done for ages)
> 
> so ... if publishers really cared about that they'd embraced tex as tool for *multiple* output (not only blind, maybe also huge fonts etc for bad eyesight or alternative coloring for color blind or ...)
> 
> not even now, with accessibility on the agenda, those demands show up ... so forgive if i don't take publishers demands too serious on this


Just today I received an e-mail, telling me that all publications that were typeset with ConTeXt since 2023 need to be enhanced with alt_text at images, otherwise their PDFs wont be published online. 

Here is the law (in german) that is the background for this announcement: https://bfsg-gesetz.de/ <https://bfsg-gesetz.de/>

Yours, Steffen


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 4/29/25 13:12, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> [...] 
> Just today I received an e-mail, telling me that all publications that
> were typeset with ConTeXt since 2023 need to be enhanced with alt_text
> at images, otherwise their PDFs wont be published online. 
> 
> Here is the law (in german) that is the background for this
> announcement: https://bfsg-gesetz.de/ <https://bfsg-gesetz.de/>

Hi Steffen,

the following should work with current latest (from yesterday,
LuaMetaTeX 2.11.07 20250427 + ConTeXt LMTX 2025.04.28 14:29):

  \enabledirectives [backend.usetags=testing]
  \setuptagging[state=start]
  \setupstructure[state=start]
  \setupbackend
    [format=PDF/A-3a]
  \setupbackend[format=pdf/ua-1]
  \setupexternalfigures[location=default]
  \starttext
  \externalfigure[hacker][label={this is an image}]

  \startparagraph
    a
  \stopparagraph
  \stoptext

If you have an issue with this, please start a new thread.

Otherwise, please start another thread explaing which your issue is.

Just in case it helps
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/14/25 20:03, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> […]
> Definitely no turnaround over 7 digits. A small but committed
> publisher, that is engaged in making PDF documents also accessible
> for blind people.
Hi Steffen,

could you send them this attachment
(https://mailman.ntg.nl/archives/list/ntg-context@ntg.nl/message/DS5R3HFLWRFWASMMZIQT7RNTLHXEQU5K/attachment/2/cow-hoh.pdf)
so that they could test whether it works for them?

BTW, if this failed, it would be great to have program, version number
and OS (to be able to test it further).

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 15.02.2025 um 14:16 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> On 2/14/25 20:03, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> […]
>> Definitely no turnaround over 7 digits. A small but committed
>> publisher, that is engaged in making PDF documents also accessible
>> for blind people.
> Hi Steffen,
> 
> could you send them this attachment
> (https://mailman.ntg.nl/archives/list/ntg-context@ntg.nl/message/DS5R3HFLWRFWASMMZIQT7RNTLHXEQU5K/attachment/2/cow-hoh.pdf)
> so that they could test whether it works for them?
> 
> BTW, if this failed, it would be great to have program, version number
> and OS (to be able to test it further).
> 
> Many thanks for your help,
> 
> Pablo


Hi Pablo,

I already did this some days ago. Of course not the same PDF but probably from a very similar context code.
It didn't work.

Do I understand you correctly that it world be interesting to know program, version number and OS of the program with which they tested our PDF, unsuccessfully?

Regards, Steffen

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/15/25 19:29, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> [...]
> Do I understand you correctly that it would be interesting to know
> program, version number and OS of the program with which they tested
> our PDF, unsuccessfully?

Hi Steffen,

on a second thought, only the program would be required.

It would be the easiest way to replicate their tests. I mean, if they
use a publicly-available validator.

Otherwise, it will be really hard to test accessibility for PDF
documents by ourselves.

But for now, I have tested this with the VeraPDF validator and I have
found another issue.

If you don’t mind, I will open a new thread.

Best,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Thomas Meyer]

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\setupbackend[
format={pdf/ua-1},
profile={default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
]

\setuptagging
   [state=start]

\enabledirectives
   [backend.usetags=mkiv]

   \starttext
   a
   \stoptext

is green with VeraPDF!

format={pdf/ua-2} is not defined I think, see: 
https://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-fmt.lua

Greetings
Thomas

Am 16.02.25 um 10:03 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
> On 2/15/25 19:29, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> [...]
>> Do I understand you correctly that it would be interesting to know
>> program, version number and OS of the program with which they tested
>> our PDF, unsuccessfully?
> Hi Steffen,
>
> on a second thought, only the program would be required.
>
> It would be the easiest way to replicate their tests. I mean, if they
> use a publicly-available validator.
>
> Otherwise, it will be really hard to test accessibility for PDF
> documents by ourselves.
>
> But for now, I have tested this with the VeraPDF validator and I have
> found another issue.
>
> If you don’t mind, I will open a new thread.
>
> Best,
>
> Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/16/25 11:09, Thomas Meyer wrote:
> \setupbackend[
> format={pdf/ua-1},
> profile={default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
> ]
>
> \setuptagging
>   [state=start]
>
> \enabledirectives
>   [backend.usetags=mkiv]
>
>   \starttext
>   a
>   \stoptext
>
> is green with VeraPDF!

Many thanks for your testing, Thomas.

> format={pdf/ua-2} is not defined I think, see: https://
> source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-fmt.lua

It’s defined for MkXL (aka LMTX). See lpdf-fmt.lua from your
distribution, since the ConTeXt Garden contains a version which is more
than a year old).

BTW, the profile mixture has a separate thread.

Best,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Thomas Meyer]

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Hi Pablo,

you are correct: i found lpdf-fmt.lmt.

But with format={pdf/ua-2} VeraPDF is still red.

Greetings


Am 16.02.25 um 11:36 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
> On 2/16/25 11:09, Thomas Meyer wrote:
>> \setupbackend[
>> format={pdf/ua-1},
>> profile={default_rgb.icc,default_gray.icc},
>> ]
>>
>> \setuptagging
>>    [state=start]
>>
>> \enabledirectives
>>    [backend.usetags=mkiv]
>>
>>    \starttext
>>    a
>>    \stoptext
>>
>> is green with VeraPDF!
> Many thanks for your testing, Thomas.
>
>> format={pdf/ua-2} is not defined I think, see: https://
>> source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-fmt.lua
> It’s defined for MkXL (aka LMTX). See lpdf-fmt.lua from your
> distribution, since the ConTeXt Garden contains a version which is more
> than a year old).
>
> BTW, the profile mixture has a separate thread.
>
> Best,
>
> Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/16/25 11:57, Thomas Meyer wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
>
> you are correct: i found lpdf-fmt.lmt.
>
> But with format={pdf/ua-2} VeraPDF is still red.

Yes, the main problem I found was the reason I started a new thread
(https://mailman.ntg.nl/archives/list/ntg-context@ntg.nl/message/4IIHP4EGYVY3K5OTGWAWXKBNGTP6XYV5/).

Best,

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Thomas Meyer]

Oh, sorry!

Am 16.02.25 um 12:02 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
> Yes, the main problem I found was the reason I started a new thread
> (https://mailman.ntg.nl/archives/list/ntg-context@ntg.nl/message/4IIHP4EGYVY3K5OTGWAWXKBNGTP6XYV5/).
>
> Best,
>
> Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi Pablo,

they tested the test file: they could not see alt-text:
Acrobat Pro 24.005 / Windows (x86)

Steffen


> Am 16.02.2025 um 10:03 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> On 2/15/25 19:29, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> [...]
>> Do I understand you correctly that it would be interesting to know
>> program, version number and OS of the program with which they tested
>> our PDF, unsuccessfully?
> 
> Hi Steffen,
> 
> on a second thought, only the program would be required.
> 
> It would be the easiest way to replicate their tests. I mean, if they
> use a publicly-available validator.
> 
> Otherwise, it will be really hard to test accessibility for PDF
> documents by ourselves.
> 
> But for now, I have tested this with the VeraPDF validator and I have
> found another issue.
> 
> If you don’t mind, I will open a new thread.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/18/25 13:02, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
>
> they tested the test file: they could not see alt-text:
> Acrobat Pro 24.005 / Windows (x86).

Sorry, Steffen, I need to investigate this further.

Although I must confess that if Acrobat Pro (not Reader) is the only way
to test this, I don’t have access to it.

In any case, I’m afraid testing will take time, because I have to
dedicate myself to other tasks.

Best,

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

> Am 18.02.2025 um 17:19 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> On 2/18/25 13:02, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi Pablo,
>> 
>> they tested the test file: they could not see alt-text:
>> Acrobat Pro 24.005 / Windows (x86).
> 
> Sorry, Steffen, I need to investigate this further.
> 
> Although I must confess that if Acrobat Pro (not Reader) is the only way
> to test this, I don’t have access to it.
> 
> In any case, I’m afraid testing will take time, because I have to
> dedicate myself to other tasks.


Hi Pablo,

I’d be happy if I could support your investigations.
At least I will communicate and forward any test file to those who have Acrobat Pro.

Yours, Steffen
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

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Pablo,

the last Acrobat Pro without subscription is version from 2020.
On a macOS I tested your test file with this version and the result was surprising, see screenshots via wetransfer:
https://we.tl/t-eW1zqTncZw <https://we.tl/t-eW1zqTncZw>

Steffen



> Am 19.02.2025 um 07:22 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum <context@st.estfiles.de <mailto:context@st.estfiles.de>>:
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 18.02.2025 um 17:19 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>:
>> 
>> On 2/18/25 13:02, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Hi Pablo,
>>> 
>>> they tested the test file: they could not see alt-text:
>>> Acrobat Pro 24.005 / Windows (x86).
>> 
>> Sorry, Steffen, I need to investigate this further.
>> 
>> Although I must confess that if Acrobat Pro (not Reader) is the only way
>> to test this, I don’t have access to it.
>> 
>> In any case, I’m afraid testing will take time, because I have to
>> dedicate myself to other tasks.



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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

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On 2/21/25 12:32, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Pablo,
>
> the last Acrobat Pro without subscription is version from 2020.
> On a macOS I tested your test file with this version and the result was
> surprising, see screenshots via wetransfer:
> https://we.tl/t-eW1zqTncZw.

Hi Steffen,

the relevant info is missing in the frame I added to your first screenshot.

Just as a comment, pngquant does a great job reducing PNG screenshots
(most of the time).

Starting a new thread about the non-standard tag.

Many thanks for your patience,

Pablo

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Steffen Wolfrum]

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> Am 25.02.2025 um 17:01 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>:
> 
> On 2/21/25 12:32, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Pablo,
>> 
>> the last Acrobat Pro without subscription is version from 2020.
>> On a macOS I tested your test file with this version and the result was
>> surprising, see screenshots via wetransfer:
>> https://we.tl/t-eW1zqTncZw <https://we.tl/t-eW1zqTncZw>.
> 
> Hi Steffen,
> 
> the relevant info is missing in the frame I added to your first screenshot.
> 
> Just as a comment, pngquant does a great job reducing PNG screenshots
> (most of the time).
> 
> Starting a new thread about the non-standard tag.



Hi Pablo,

sorry for missing parts. Here attached you may find these info.
Thanks for mentioning pngquant, works great (as we can see here)!

(I hope this is still the right thread?)

Yours, Steffen


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[NTG-context] upload

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

I uploaded a new version. Apart from some things discussed here already 
the main update is in par passes (a bit more control, feedback, tracing 
etc) which will be explained over time (we're writing a wrapup).

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 17.09.24 um 13:52 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> Hi,
> 
> I uploaded a new version. Apart from some things discussed here already 
> the main update is in par passes (a bit more control, feedback, tracing 
> etc) which will be explained over time (we're writing a wrapup).

The “discussed things” also involved annotations. Here’s some documentation:
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Annotations
Please amend if something’s wrong/missing.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 9/17/24 22:12, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> [...]
> The “discussed things” also involved annotations. Here’s some
> documentation:
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Annotations
> Please amend if something’s wrong/missing.

Many thanks for your explanation, Hraban.

Sorry, but I’m afraid that I had to comment out the link to attachments
information, since there is no such feature.

ConTeXt has a link to external PDF documents (/GoToR actions), but no
link to attachments (/GoToE actions).

An easy way to confirm this is to compile the source and then remove the
 external PDF document. You will have the attached document, but the
link won’t work when the external document isn’t available.

Sorry, but this is why I removed the final part from
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Annotations#Attachments.

The PDF spec includes some samples of links to attachments:
https://opensource.adobe.com/dc-acrobat-sdk-docs/pdfstandards/PDF32000_2008.pdf#page=429

I have a crappy patch that allows only direct links to embedded children
(no file attachment annotations).

I think it would be worth to allow /GoToE links to children and parents
(using ":>:" and ":<:" instead of "::") and for both embedded files and
file attachments.

I could try to provide some code for this.

As for the feature, it only works for PDF.js and Acrobat.

But I use it on a daily basis. It is the easiest way to make most people
go to an embedded document (without requiring them to understand what an
embedded file or attachments in PDF documents might be).

It would be great whether this feature would be useful to you or any
other from the list members.

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 18.09.24 um 20:12 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
> On 9/17/24 22:12, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> [...]
>> The “discussed things” also involved annotations. Here’s some
>> documentation:
>> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Annotations
>> Please amend if something’s wrong/missing.

> Sorry, but I’m afraid that I had to comment out the link to attachments
> information, since there is no such feature.
…
> I have a crappy patch that allows only direct links to embedded children
> (no file attachment annotations).

Thank you. You’re right, I never checked this. I guess I got it from a 
mailing list message by you and thought it would be in the core.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] upload

[Hans Hagen]

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Hi,

There is a new lmtx upload.

-- The svg inclusion via metapost has been upgraded and cleanup a bit, 
using some more recent metapost features. There are some new (not yet 
all documented metapost) features.

-- In the process, support for LCH colors has been added, which is 
documented in the (eg luametafun manual).

-- The math manual is not yet there because we were distracted by 
improving support for envelopes (penbased outlines) in metafun. This is 
still work in progress, some is present and discussed in the manual, and 
we'll come back to that sometime next month. Given the next item, we 
also might need to change some in the manual (different focus).

-- Because we have users who have to conform to the European 
Accessibility Act we have been wondering how to deal with that and at 
Mikaels place there are two demands: distinctive colors and tagging and 
especially math (somehow validators love to check that). Colors never 
were an issue as they can be controlled, and tagging math neither, 
especially because nothing was/is done with it anyway, but ... we are 
happy that we found a reasonable (more modern and future proof) way out.

As explained / shown in the attached document we're basically forced to 
choose a different approach with math (a pity as we worked hard to get 
the rendering right but the attached file works fine in the viewers that 
we tested).

-- We like to hear from users what other demands wrt accessibility there 
are. We're not interested in the (commercial) big money aspects (of pdf 
and tagging) nor in the politics behind it (changes over time). What are 
the demands, so that we can see how to make it work or just work around 
it (as it's kind of boring to cook uyp complex features	, esp compared 
to playing with metapost).

-- Furthermore .. the usual bits and pieces as discussed on the list and 
otherwise.

-- If you have troubles (crash) you need to wipe the cache due to a 
change in lua bytecode storage (no easy way to catch it).

Hans & Mikael

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% language=us

% todo: no comma

\usemodule[scite]
\usemodule[article-basic]
\usemodule[abbreviations-logos]
\usemodule[math-goodriddance]

\setuplayout[tight]

\starttext

\subject{Good riddance}

We're done with math. After years of active development, Mikael and Hans have
decided to quit working on math, and concentrate on \METAPOST\ and handing over
to the next generation instead. We lost our user to the way more popular
alternative (frozen in stone standards). Also, we had it with suboptimal math
fonts, Unicode math not getting improved, MathML constantly being changed,
browsers dealing with math differently every few years, math archives getting
polluted with tons of useless tagged math.

There are other motivations, like the European union imposing strict rules with
respect to accessibility in educational content management systems, and Dutch
schools trying to get rid of math in favor of simple calculus, if at all. This is
why the next iteration of the engine will no longer have a math engine:
MathLessTeX. Of course, in the beginning \MLTX\ will be compatible with \LMTX,
because we owe that to the users and we need to prototype the new engine anyway.

In order to get an idea of how we will get rid of the disturbing formulas, you
can load the module:

\starttyping
\usemodule[math-goodriddance]
\stoptyping

Until becoming the default setting, the command \typ {\goodriddancemath} will
bring you into \MLTX\ mode while \typ {\badriddancemath} will bring you back to
the obsolete \LMTX\ mode. Like:

\startbuffer
\usemodule[math-goodriddance] \goodriddancemath

Who wants to solve the equation \m {x + 1 = 4} or deal with the function \m {x \mapsto
\root [3] {x}}, when we have AI around the corner to help us out with simple and silly
things like the Pythagorean theorem: \m {a^2 + b^2 = c^2}, or even with more advanced
math like geometric series: \m {\sum_{k = 0}^{+\infty} x^k = 1/(1 - x)}?

We will not support complicated nonsense stuff like:

\startplaceformula
\startformula
    F__{1}____{2}(a,b;b;z) = (1 - z)^{-a}
\stopformula
\stopplaceformula

When developing this Hans' Swedish improved a lot. {\language[sv] Den lilla del av
befolkningen som handlar på IKEA och tittar på fåniga krimserier förstår kanske detta:
\im {\sqrt {x + 1} = \sin(4 + y)}!}
\stopbuffer

\typebuffer[option=TEX]

Which gives us the beautifully typeset:

\startcolor[darkblue] \getbuffer \stopcolor

We hope that the highly respected Swedish Academy will consider our prose in
their upcoming evaluations. Our first submission to the leading \TEX\ journal was
however rejected. We are currently on a major revision in order to satisfy the
hopefully less critical \NTG\ Maps Editors. It is therefore our sincere hope that
you will be able to read more on this topic in the near future. Currently only
English and Swedish are supported. But our next research project, lead by two
young promising linguists, will hopefully result in support for more languages.
They will present preliminary results at the prestigious international BachoTeX
conference in May 2024.

\stoptext

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Mikael Sundqvist]

Hi,

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 9:36 AM Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There is a new lmtx upload.
>
> -- The svg inclusion via metapost has been upgraded and cleanup a bit,
> using some more recent metapost features. There are some new (not yet
> all documented metapost) features.
>
> -- In the process, support for LCH colors has been added, which is
> documented in the (eg luametafun manual).
>
> -- The math manual is not yet there because we were distracted by
> improving support for envelopes (penbased outlines) in metafun. This is
> still work in progress, some is present and discussed in the manual, and
> we'll come back to that sometime next month. Given the next item, we
> also might need to change some in the manual (different focus).
>
> -- Because we have users who have to conform to the European
> Accessibility Act we have been wondering how to deal with that and at
> Mikaels place there are two demands: distinctive colors and tagging and
> especially math (somehow validators love to check that). Colors never
> were an issue as they can be controlled, and tagging math neither,
> especially because nothing was/is done with it anyway, but ... we are
> happy that we found a reasonable (more modern and future proof) way out.
>
> As explained / shown in the attached document we're basically forced to
> choose a different approach with math (a pity as we worked hard to get
> the rendering right but the attached file works fine in the viewers that
> we tested).
>
> -- We like to hear from users what other demands wrt accessibility there
> are. We're not interested in the (commercial) big money aspects (of pdf
> and tagging) nor in the politics behind it (changes over time). What are
> the demands, so that we can see how to make it work or just work around
> it (as it's kind of boring to cook uyp complex features , esp compared
> to playing with metapost).
>
> -- Furthermore .. the usual bits and pieces as discussed on the list and
> otherwise.
>
> -- If you have troubles (crash) you need to wipe the cache due to a
> change in lua bytecode storage (no easy way to catch it).
>
> Hans & Mikael

In addition to what Hans wrote, I need to write and apologize. About
two years ago I was working on a big math project and needed SyncTeX
(code <-> okular) to work with it to get a smooth workflow. After
fighting it for several weeks, mailing Hans back and forth, without
any real support from Hans since "he was not using SyncTeX", I sent a
false patch to him that I claimed worked. It must have gotten in
without even being tested(!). Since then SyncTeX support for ConTeXt
has been broken.

Strengthened about how easy it was to add code to this project, and
still frustrated about the project (that is still not finished), I
started "collaborating" with Hans, mainly on math. During these years,
I have been baffled about how easy it has been to add malicious code,
he just swallows everything. I only needed to find out what Hans
really uses himself (a few tables, he likes colors, and he has a weak
point when it comes to "nice" metapost images), and then to add
patches for other stuff. For math, in particular, he seems to have no
understanding (sorry Hans). I am worried about the Dutch school
system.

Nevertheless, I have, during this time, more and more enjoyed our
discussions, and so I started to feel bad about my "patches", and
sorry for Hans. Thus, I have lately reverted, part by part, the bad
code. Only a few of them are left (but don't tell Hans!). I also got a
feeling that Wolfgang, checking all the code, since long did see this
through.

Thus, in the latest upload, for example, you might get SyncTeX working
again, but you might need to add \setupsynctex[state=repeat]. No
guarantees.

Again, my sincere apologies to all ConTeXters out there who have not
gotten the result they expect and deserve. I assume that Hans will
kick me out when the last patch is sent, so I will delay it as much as
possible...

/Mikael
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi Hans and Mikael,

Thanks for the new module math-goodriddance ! 
Indeed there are many mathematicians who are going to use the \goodriddancemath command, and no doubt they are going to thank you, even if they are very shy to come out.

Moreover this command can be used by people who want to transform the output PDF into an audio file, because for instance the following 

\usemodule[math-goodriddance]
\goodriddancemath

\starttext

\startformula
\int_{0}^{\pi} \sin(x)\dd x = 2.
\stopformula

\stoptext

gives 
integral from 0 to 𝜋 , of sin of 𝑥 d 𝑥 equals 2 

as one can see in the attached output which is very useful for the blind using an audio software.

Best regards: OK





> On 1 Apr 2024, at 16:31, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There is a new lmtx upload.
> 
> -- The svg inclusion via metapost has been upgraded and cleanup a bit, using some more recent metapost features. There are some new (not yet all documented metapost) features.
> 
> -- In the process, support for LCH colors has been added, which is documented in the (eg luametafun manual).
> 
> -- The math manual is not yet there because we were distracted by improving support for envelopes (penbased outlines) in metafun. This is still work in progress, some is present and discussed in the manual, and we'll come back to that sometime next month. Given the next item, we also might need to change some in the manual (different focus).
> 
> -- Because we have users who have to conform to the European Accessibility Act we have been wondering how to deal with that and at Mikaels place there are two demands: distinctive colors and tagging and especially math (somehow validators love to check that). Colors never were an issue as they can be controlled, and tagging math neither, especially because nothing was/is done with it anyway, but ... we are happy that we found a reasonable (more modern and future proof) way out.
> 
> As explained / shown in the attached document we're basically forced to choose a different approach with math (a pity as we worked hard to get the rendering right but the attached file works fine in the viewers that we tested).
> 
> -- We like to hear from users what other demands wrt accessibility there are. We're not interested in the (commercial) big money aspects (of pdf and tagging) nor in the politics behind it (changes over time). What are the demands, so that we can see how to make it work or just work around it (as it's kind of boring to cook uyp complex features	, esp compared to playing with metapost).
> 
> -- Furthermore .. the usual bits and pieces as discussed on the list and otherwise.
> 
> -- If you have troubles (crash) you need to wipe the cache due to a change in lua bytecode storage (no easy way to catch it).
> 
> Hans & Mikael
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/1/2024 11:34 AM, Otared Kavian wrote:
> Hi Hans and Mikael,
> 
> Thanks for the new module math-goodriddance !
> Indeed there are many mathematicians who are going to use the 
> \goodriddancemath command, and no doubt they are going to thank you, 
> even if they are very shy to come out.
> 
> Moreover this command can be used by people who want to transform the 
> output PDF into an audio file, because for instance the following
> 
> \usemodule[math-goodriddance]
> \goodriddancemath
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startformula
> \int_{0}^{\pi} \sin(x)\dd x = 2.
> \stopformula
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> gives
> 
> integral from 0 to 𝜋 , of sin of 𝑥 d 𝑥 equals 2

you cna be more ambituous:

\im { C \of (\openinterval{a,b}) \neq C^^2 \of (\interval{a,b}) \neq 
C^^2 \of \interval{0,1} \neq C\of(\Omega) \neq 𝒞 \of (\Omega)}

or

\dm {u\of(b)-u\of(a)=\lim_{n\to+\infty} \parenthesis{f(x__1)\Delta 
x__1+f(x__2)\Delta x__2+\ldots+f(x__n)\Delta x__n}}

so we can really get rid of a lot of math

> as one can see in the attached output which is very useful for the blind 
> using an audio software.
yes, although unfortunately unicode never bothered to add some handy 
stuff for that (while if did for other comparable things) but we'can get 
around that

I now assume that you are willing to come up with the french 
translations (that then can be validated by Alan).  Do we actually have 
serious german context math users, as I wouldn't trust Hraban and Thomas 
on doing this?

Hans


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[NTG-context] upload

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

as we're around texlive code freeze time we're also in upload mode

- i uploaded a new lmtx
- i also added linux and windows 32 bin (as it seems to have users)

- we're now using lua 5.5 which has one restriction (was already 
announced a while ago):

for i=1,10 in t do
     ....
     i = 2 * i
     ....
end

should now be:

for i=1,10 in t do
     ....
     local i = 2 * i
     ....
end

as one cannot change the (local constant) i which actually is not that 
different from what metapost does. The good news is that voilating this 
is reported when a lua file is loaded so one can't get it unexspectedly.

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 13:47, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> as we're around texlive code freeze time we're also in upload mode
>
> - i uploaded a new lmtx
> - i also added linux and windows 32 bin (as it seems to have users)
>
> - we're now using lua 5.5 which has one restriction (was already
> announced a while ago):

hm, I don't see lua 5.5 around ... perhaps Lua 5.4.5 ?

--
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Mikael Sundqvist]

Hi,

The 5.5 seems to come from https://github.com/lua/lua/blob/master/lua.h

/Mikael

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 10:04 AM luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 13:47, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > as we're around texlive code freeze time we're also in upload mode
> >
> > - i uploaded a new lmtx
> > - i also added linux and windows 32 bin (as it seems to have users)
> >
> > - we're now using lua 5.5 which has one restriction (was already
> > announced a while ago):
>
> hm, I don't see lua 5.5 around ... perhaps Lua 5.4.5 ?
>
> --
> luigi
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/15/2024 10:02 AM, luigi scarso wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 13:47, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> as we're around texlive code freeze time we're also in upload mode
>>
>> - i uploaded a new lmtx
>> - i also added linux and windows 32 bin (as it seems to have users)
>>
>> - we're now using lua 5.5 which has one restriction (was already
>> announced a while ago):
> 
> hm, I don't see lua 5.5 around ... perhaps Lua 5.4.5 ?
it's beta stuff but luametatex is an good test for it as it used a lot 
of lua so it's s way to pay back for using lua

Hans

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[NTG-context] upload

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

I uploaded a new version (there is some work in progress but it probably 
doesn't affect anyone).

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi Hans,

Thanks for the new upload which solves the math alignment mechanism. However I noticed that the classic notation $f’$ for the derivative does not work anymore, while $f^\prime$ or $f^’$ does.

\starttext
The derivative of $f$ is denoted $f'$ or $f^\prime$ or is it $f^'$\dots
\stoptext

Best regards: Otared



> On 18 Jan 2024, at 00:13, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I uploaded a new version (there is some work in progress but it probably doesn't affect anyone).
> 
> Hans
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Mikael Sundqvist]

Hi Otared,

On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 2:37 AM Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> Thanks for the new upload which solves the math alignment mechanism. However I noticed that the classic notation $f’$ for the derivative does not work anymore, while $f^\prime$ or $f^’$ does.
>
> \starttext
> The derivative of $f$ is denoted $f'$ or $f^\prime$ or is it $f^'$\dots
> \stoptext
>
> Best regards: Otared

There has been work in the last days on multiple sub/superscripts
and/or primes. But again your example works here. Just to be sure, did
you upgrade both the zip and the binary?

/Mikael
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Jeong Dal via ntg-context]

Dear Otared,

I installed upload version today.
And, your example,

\starttext
The derivative of $f$ is denoted $f'$ or $f^\prime$ or is it $f^'$\dots
\stoptext

works well.

I think that you will have the same good result.

Best wishes,

Dalyoung

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

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Dear Dalyoung, dear Mikael,

I installed anew the whole LMTX tree and now everything is working fine. 
I don’t know whether this is related or not, somehow in my previous tree I had a directory (or folder in the MacOS language) named « texmf-osx-64 » instead « texmf-osx-arm64 » and this apparently had consequences.

In any case everything works fine now.

Thanks to Hans, Mikael and all the people on this list!

Best regards: Otared

> On 18 Jan 2024, at 08:17, Jeong Dal via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Dear Otared,
> 
> I installed upload version today.
> And, your example,
> 
> \starttext
> The derivative of $f$ is denoted $f'$ or $f^\prime$ or is it $f^'$\dots
> \stoptext
> 
> works well.
> 
> I think that you will have the same good result.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dalyoung
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/18/2024 3:27 PM, Otared Kavian wrote:
> Dear Dalyoung, dear Mikael,
> 
> I installed anew the whole LMTX tree and now everything is working fine.
> I don’t know whether this is related or not, somehow in my previous tree 
> I had a directory (or folder in the MacOS language) named « texmf-osx-64 
> » instead « texmf-osx-arm64 » and this apparently had consequences.
> 
> In any case everything works fine now.
> 
> Thanks to Hans, Mikael and all the people on this list!
concerning the prime, use

   $x\prime$ and not $x^\prime$ as you might want $x^2\prime$ some day

in the first case it's really a prime, in the second case a prime symbol 
in a superscript; in lmtx we have for each nucleus a presubscript, 
presuperscript, subscript, superscript and primescript (plus index ones)

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Alain Delmotte]

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Hi,

When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl/ I get an 404 Not 
Found message, so I can't download the new upload !!

Any reason?

Alain

Le 18-01-24 à 00:13, Hans Hagen a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I uploaded a new version (there is some work in progress 
> but it probably doesn't affect anyone).
>
> Hans
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

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Works here.

Best,

Denis

 

Von: Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Betreff: [NTG-context] Re: upload

 

Hi,

When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl/ I get an 404 Not Found message, so I can't download the new upload !!

Any reason?

Alain

Le 18-01-24 à 00:13, Hans Hagen a écrit :

Hi, 

I uploaded a new version (there is some work in progress but it probably doesn't affect anyone). 

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 1/18/24 20:43, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>> *Von:*Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org>
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
>> *An:* ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> *Betreff:* [NTG-context] Re: upload
>> [...]
>> When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl, I get an 404 Not Found
>> message, so I can't download the new upload !!
> > Works here.

Hi Denis,

I get a 404 error for both https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.

I can update my existing installed version, but I wouldn’t be able to
install a brand new distribution.

Do you reach any of the urls included in my first paragraph?

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi Pablo,

Indeed the two URL you mention result t a 404 error. I guess the correct URL is
 https://www.pragma-ade.nl <https://www.pragma-ade.nl/>

and there one may go to the appropriate tab.

Best regards: Otared

> On 19 Jan 2024, at 18:34, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> On 1/18/24 20:43, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>> *Von:*Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org>
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
>>> *An:* ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>> *Betreff:* [NTG-context] Re: upload
>>> [...]
>>> When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl, I get an 404 Not Found
>>> message, so I can't download the new upload !!
>>> Works here.
> 
> Hi Denis,
> 
> I get a 404 error for both https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
> https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.
> 
> I can update my existing installed version, but I wouldn’t be able to
> install a brand new distribution.
> 
> Do you reach any of the urls included in my first paragraph?
> 
> Many thanks for your help,
> 
> Pablo
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Alain Delmotte]

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Hi Otared,

Le 19-01-24 à 22:56, Otared Kavian a écrit :
> Hi Pablo,
>
> Indeed the two URL you mention result t a 404 error. I 
> guess the correct URL is
> https://www.pragma-ade.nl
>
> and there one may go to the appropriate tab.
>
> Best regards: Otared

No it doesn't work. I ttried many times.

Alain


>
>> On 19 Jan 2024, at 18:34, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context 
>> <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>
>> On 1/18/24 20:43, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>>> *Von:*Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org>
>>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
>>>> *An:* ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>>> *Betreff:* [NTG-context] Re: upload
>>>> [...]
>>>> When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl, I get an 404 
>>>> Not Found
>>>> message, so I can't download the new upload !!
>>>> Works here.
>>
>> Hi Denis,
>>
>> I get a 404 error for both 
>> https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
>> https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.
>>
>> I can update my existing installed version, but I 
>> wouldn’t be able to
>> install a brand new distribution.
>>
>> Do you reach any of the urls included in my first paragraph?
>>
>> Many thanks for your help,
>>
>> Pablo
>>
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>> add an entry to the Wiki!
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>
> Otared Kavian
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>
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/19/2024 6:34 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
> On 1/18/24 20:43, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>> *Von:*Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org>
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
>>> *An:* ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>> *Betreff:* [NTG-context] Re: upload
>>> [...]
>>> When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl, I get an 404 Not Found
>>> message, so I can't download the new upload !!
>>> Works here.
> 
> Hi Denis,
> 
> I get a 404 error for both https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
> https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.
> 
> I can update my existing installed version, but I wouldn’t be able to
> install a brand new distribution.
> 
> Do you reach any of the urls included in my first paragraph?
> 
> Many thanks for your help,
can you try again

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[vm via ntg-context]

On 20/01/2024 09:38, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> can you try again

it made a difference, no 404 ;-)
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Ursula Hermann]

32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.
Uschi 
________________________________
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On 20/01/2024 09:38, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> can you try again

it made a difference, no 404 ;-)
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.

32 bit windows has been dropped for now, i could generate native win32 
bins but they are less performing that mingw crosscompiled but all this 
is more manual work than using the garden build

I might add it when the garden build is up and running which might 
happen one of these days.

So, how many 32 bit bin users are out there? And for how long? Any linux 
32 users?

Hans




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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.

i uploaded a win32 installer (for now we only keep 32 bit win but once 
all users are on 64 bit ...)

the current upload is as usual work in progress

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

Hi Hans,

I tried to update to your latest version (for MacOS Arm1) with the command 
	sh install.sh
but obtained the following message and no update:

xattr: bin/mtxrun: No such xattr: com.apple.quarantine
install.sh: line 110: 62611 Killed: 9               $PWD/bin/mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-install.lua --update --server="$LMTXSERVER" --instance="$LMTXINSTANCE" --platform="$PLATFORM" --erase --extras="$LMTXEXTRAS" $@


Since I have a working (and backed up…) version 2024-01-18, there is no absolute necessity for me to update right now, but I wanted just to inform you about the issue I encountered. I wonder whether other MacOS users have had such a problem.

Best regards: Otared

> On 23 Jan 2024, at 10:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
>> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.
> 
> i uploaded a win32 installer (for now we only keep 32 bit win but once all users are on 64 bit ...)
> 
> the current upload is as usual work in progress
> 
> Hans
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Bruce Horrocks]

On 23 Jan 2024, at 16:29, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I wonder whether other MacOS users have had such a problem.

Both Intel and ARM macs updated perfectly for me, just now.

Regards,
—
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans van der Meer via ntg-context]

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Just did 'sh install.sh' a moment ago without problems.
In the past I had to do xattr -d com.apple.quarantaine path-to-executable once but not anymore.
I think the xattr resides in the Apple command tools. Are you sure you have them?

yours sincerely
dr. Hans van der Meer



> On 23 Jan 2024, at 17:29, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Hans,
> 
> I tried to update to your latest version (for MacOS Arm1) with the command 
> 	sh install.sh
> but obtained the following message and no update:
> 
> xattr: bin/mtxrun: No such xattr: com.apple.quarantine
> install.sh: line 110: 62611 Killed: 9               $PWD/bin/mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-install.lua --update --server="$LMTXSERVER" --instance="$LMTXINSTANCE" --platform="$PLATFORM" --erase --extras="$LMTXEXTRAS" $@
> 
> 
> Since I have a working (and backed up…) version 2024-01-18, there is no absolute necessity for me to update right now, but I wanted just to inform you about the issue I encountered. I wonder whether other MacOS users have had such a problem.
> 
> Best regards: Otared
> 
>> On 23 Jan 2024, at 10:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
>>> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.
>> 
>> i uploaded a win32 installer (for now we only keep 32 bit win but once all users are on 64 bit ...)
>> 
>> the current upload is as usual work in progress
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

Hi Dr Hans Van der Meer,

Thank you for your help. It seems that since January 18 something has changed (either on MacOS or on the install script), because the last time I could update without doing anything more than sh install.sh.

In any case I checked xattr with
	which xattr
and got:
	/usr/bin/xattr

Then I did 
	xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh
and got:
	xattr: /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh: No such xattr: com.apple.quarantine

Invoking again sh install.sh resulted in the error message I reported previously.

Best regards: Otared




> On 23 Jan 2024, at 21:08, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Just did 'sh install.sh' a moment ago without problems.
> In the past I had to do xattr -d com.apple.quarantaine path-to-executable once but not anymore.
> I think the xattr resides in the Apple command tools. Are you sure you have them?
> 
> yours sincerely
> dr. Hans van der Meer
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jan 2024, at 17:29, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Hans,
>> 
>> I tried to update to your latest version (for MacOS Arm1) with the command 
>> 	sh install.sh
>> but obtained the following message and no update:
>> 
>> xattr: bin/mtxrun: No such xattr: com.apple.quarantine
>> install.sh: line 110: 62611 Killed: 9               $PWD/bin/mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-install.lua --update --server="$LMTXSERVER" --instance="$LMTXINSTANCE" --platform="$PLATFORM" --erase --extras="$LMTXEXTRAS" $@
>> 
>> 
>> Since I have a working (and backed up…) version 2024-01-18, there is no absolute necessity for me to update right now, but I wanted just to inform you about the issue I encountered. I wonder whether other MacOS users have had such a problem.
>> 
>> Best regards: Otared
>> 
>>> On 23 Jan 2024, at 10:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
>>>> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.
>>> 
>>> i uploaded a win32 installer (for now we only keep 32 bit win but once all users are on 64 bit ...)
>>> 
>>> the current upload is as usual work in progress
>>> 
>>> Hans
>>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

Hi Otared,

I just tried, and my Macbook ran the update without any problem. Does it 
make any difference if you chmod +x the script install.sh?

All best

Thomas

On 1/23/24 21:59, Otared Kavian wrote:
> Hi Dr Hans Van der Meer,
> 
> Thank you for your help. It seems that since January 18 something has
> changed (either on MacOS or on the install script), because the last
> time I could update without doing anything more than sh install.sh.
> 
> In any case I checked xattr with
> 	which xattr
> and got:
> 	/usr/bin/xattr
> 
> Then I did
> 	xattr -d com.apple.quarantine
> /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh
> and got:
> 	xattr: /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh: No such xattr:
> com.apple.quarantine
> 
> Invoking again sh install.sh resulted in the error message I reported
> previously.
> 
> Best regards: Otared


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi Thomas,

Thank you for your advice: I did add
	chmod +x install.sh
and now the script runs without MacOS complaining. 

However, since I had downloaded a new script yesterday and had updated to version 2024.01.23, I cannot check whether the issue was adding +x to the file install.sh.

Best regards: Otared

> On 23 Jan 2024, at 22:06, Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Otared,
> 
> I just tried, and my Macbook ran the update without any problem. Does it make any difference if you chmod +x the script install.sh?
> 
> All best
> 
> Thomas
> 
> On 1/23/24 21:59, Otared Kavian wrote:
>> Hi Dr Hans Van der Meer,
>> Thank you for your help. It seems that since January 18 something has
>> changed (either on MacOS or on the install script), because the last
>> time I could update without doing anything more than sh install.sh.
>> In any case I checked xattr with
>> 	which xattr
>> and got:
>> 	/usr/bin/xattr
>> Then I did
>> 	xattr -d com.apple.quarantine
>> /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh
>> and got:
>> 	xattr: /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh: No such xattr:
>> com.apple.quarantine
>> Invoking again sh install.sh resulted in the error message I reported
>> previously.
>> Best regards: Otared
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi again,

I ended up downloading a new version of install.sh for MacOS from the Pragma site: using this allowed me to update to the latest version 2024-01-23:10H02.

Thanks for the help to all !

Best regards: Otared

> On 23 Jan 2024, at 21:08, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Just did 'sh install.sh' a moment ago without problems.
> In the past I had to do xattr -d com.apple.quarantaine path-to-executable once but not anymore.
> I think the xattr resides in the Apple command tools. Are you sure you have them?
> 
> yours sincerely
> dr. Hans van der Meer
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jan 2024, at 17:29, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Hans,
>> 
>> I tried to update to your latest version (for MacOS Arm1) with the command 
>> 	sh install.sh
>> but obtained the following message and no update:
>> 
>> xattr: bin/mtxrun: No such xattr: com.apple.quarantine
>> install.sh: line 110: 62611 Killed: 9               $PWD/bin/mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-install.lua --update --server="$LMTXSERVER" --instance="$LMTXINSTANCE" --platform="$PLATFORM" --erase --extras="$LMTXEXTRAS" $@
>> 
>> 
>> Since I have a working (and backed up…) version 2024-01-18, there is no absolute necessity for me to update right now, but I wanted just to inform you about the issue I encountered. I wonder whether other MacOS users have had such a problem.
>> 
>> Best regards: Otared
>> 
>>> On 23 Jan 2024, at 10:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
>>>> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.
>>> 
>>> i uploaded a win32 installer (for now we only keep 32 bit win but once all users are on 64 bit ...)
>>> 
>>> the current upload is as usual work in progress
>>> 
>>> Hans
>>> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 1/20/24 09:38, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> On 1/19/2024 6:34 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>> I get a 404 error for both https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
>> https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.
>> [...]
> can you try again?

Many thanks for the fast fix, Hans.

Pablo

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Alain Delmotte]

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Hi Hans,

Le 20-01-24 à 09:38, Hans Hagen via ntg-context a écrit :
> On 1/19/2024 6:34 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>> On 1/18/24 20:43, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>>> *Von:*Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org>
>>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
>>>> *An:* ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>>> *Betreff:* [NTG-context] Re: upload
>>>> [...]
>>>> When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl, I get an 404 
>>>> Not Found
>>>> message, so I can't download the new upload !!
>>>> Works here.
>>
>> Hi Denis,
>>
>> I get a 404 error for both 
>> https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
>> https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.
>>
>> I can update my existing installed version, but I 
>> wouldn’t be able to
>> install a brand new distribution.
>>
>> Do you reach any of the urls included in my first paragraph?
>>
>> Many thanks for your help,
> can you try again
>

I tried and passed the first step: I can go to the 
"Installation" page, but then again "Error 404" when I click 
on the "64 bit Microsoft Windows" link. Then I also tried 
"https://lmtx.pragma-ade.nl/install-llmtx/context-win64.zip" 
and I got the file!

Thanks,

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[NTG-context] upload

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

I uploaded a new lmtx. There are some new features that wil be revealed 
in the future (likely after the meeting) but here is one:

\starttext

     \defineoverlay
       [test]
       [\color
          [blue]
          {TEST
           \inframed
             [foregroundcolor=red]
             {xxx}
           TEST}]

     \framed
       [background=test,
        foregroundstyle=\switchtobodyfont[small]]
       {test}

\stoptext

 From now on many commands accept (properly) nested [] inside commands 
that use [] as fences (like the setup commands) where it makes sense. It 
is up to the user to decide to use {} (as before) or not but it is less 
error prone.

It is now also possible to nest setups as in

\starttext

\startsetups one
     \startsetups [three]
         HERE
     \stopsetups
\stopsetups

\startsetups two
     \startsetups [three]
         THERE
     \stopsetups
\stopsetups

\setups[one] \setups[three]

\setups[two] \setups[three]

\stoptext

As part of the ongoing improvements on math rendering we added some 
classic lm/cm kerns (between upperacse and periods / commas) in the 
goodie files.

Some lowlevel manuals have been extended, explaining experimental 'named 
cross macro nesting parameter referencing' and 'constrained cq. retained 
assignments', but that is only relevant for those interested in 
overcoming some limitations in the traditional engines.

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Rik Kabel]

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On 8/9/2023 11:42 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I uploaded a new lmtx. There are some new features that wil be 
> revealed in the future (likely after the meeting) but here is one:
>
>
Two problems with this upload. First, page number suppression no longer 
works. Second, table captions are not displayed.


    \setuppagenumbering [alternative=doublesided,location=]

    \setupcaption[style=sans,headstyle=sans]

    \starttext
    \startchapter[title={Page Numbering Test}]

    \startplacetable[location={here,spit,force},title={Title?}]
    \starttabulate[|rp|lp|]
    \HL \NC tufte \NC \input tufte \NC \AR
         \NC ward \NC \input ward \NC \AR
         \NC montgomery \NC \input montgomery \NC \AR \HL
    \stoptabulate
    \stopplacetable

    \dorecurse{7}{ \input tufte \par}

    \stopchapter
    \stoptext

-- 
RIk

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/9/2023 9:29 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> 
> On 8/9/2023 11:42 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I uploaded a new lmtx. There are some new features that wil be 
>> revealed in the future (likely after the meeting) but here is one:
>>
>>
> Two problems with this upload. First, page number suppression no longer 
> works. Second, table captions are not displayed.

indeed, probably a fix tomorrow

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 09.08.23 um 23:11 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 8/9/2023 9:29 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>> Two problems with this upload. First, page number suppression no 
>> longer works. Second, table captions are not displayed.
> 
> indeed, probably a fix tomorrow

I don’t know if that’s the same problem, but the current version gives a 
parsing error at
\quotation{\about[kap:example]}

(2023.07.29 still works.)

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/10/2023 2:57 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 09.08.23 um 23:11 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>> On 8/9/2023 9:29 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>>> Two problems with this upload. First, page number suppression no 
>>> longer works. Second, table captions are not displayed.
>>
>> indeed, probably a fix tomorrow
> 
> I don’t know if that’s the same problem, but the current version gives a 
> parsing error at
> \quotation{\about[kap:example]}
> 
> (2023.07.29 still works.)
there was a new upload

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 10.08.23 um 15:03 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 8/10/2023 2:57 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> Am 09.08.23 um 23:11 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>>> On 8/9/2023 9:29 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>>>> Two problems with this upload. First, page number suppression no 
>>>> longer works. Second, table captions are not displayed.
>>>
>>> indeed, probably a fix tomorrow
>>
>> I don’t know if that’s the same problem, but the current version gives 
>> a parsing error at
>> \quotation{\about[kap:example]}
>>
>> (2023.07.29 still works.)
> there was a new upload

I was already on the latest, and the problem persists. Here’s a MWE:

"""
\setupreferencing[left=,right=,]

\starttext

\about[something]

\stoptext
"""

tex error       > tex error on line 5 in file referencetest.tex: Extra 
}, or forgotten \endgroup

<macro>
     \egroup
<macro> \about
     ...ways \let \\\space \postponenotes \referencingparameter \c!left 
\doifelsereferencefound {#1} {\goto {\limitatetext 
\currentreferencetitle {\referencingparameter \c!width }\unknown 
}[#1]}{}\flushnotes \referencingparameter \c!right
     \endgroup
<line 3.5>
     \about[something]

1     \setupreferencing[left=,right=,]
2
3     \starttext
4
5 >>  \about[something]
6
7     \stoptext
8
I've deleted a group-closing symbol because it seems to be spurious, as in
'$x}$'. But perhaps the } is legitimate and you forgot something else, as in
'\hbox{$x}'.
mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 10.08.2023 um 15:33:
> I was already on the latest, and the problem persists. Here’s a MWE:
>
> """
> \setupreferencing[left=,right=,]
>
> \starttext
>
> \about[something]
>
> \stoptext
> """

It's unrelated to \about. Using nothing as argument to the last key 
doesn't work, e.g. in the following example "b" keeps \endgroup as value 
when I wrote "b=".

\starttext

\getdummyparameters[a=\begingroup,b=\endgroup]

\dummyparameter{a}
\dummyparameter{b}

% b is still \endgroup

\getdummyparameters[a=,b=]

\dummyparameter{a}
\dummyparameter{b}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/10/2023 3:52 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 10.08.2023 um 15:33:
>> I was already on the latest, and the problem persists. Here’s a MWE:
>>
>> """
>> \setupreferencing[left=,right=,]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \about[something]
>>
>> \stoptext
>> """
> 
> It's unrelated to \about. Using nothing as argument to the last key 
> doesn't work, e.g. in the following example "b" keeps \endgroup as value 
> when I wrote "b=".
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \getdummyparameters[a=\begingroup,b=\endgroup]
> 
> \dummyparameter{a}
> \dummyparameter{b}
> 
> % b is still \endgroup
> 
> \getdummyparameters[a=,b=]
> 
> \dummyparameter{a}
> \dummyparameter{b}
> 
> \stoptext
indeed that was the issue, seems like i generated the update but didn't 
push it, can you check again?

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Hans Hagen via ntg-context schrieb am 10.08.2023 um 16:41:
> On 8/10/2023 3:52 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 10.08.2023 um 15:33:
>>> I was already on the latest, and the problem persists. Here’s a MWE:
>>>
>>> """
>>> \setupreferencing[left=,right=,]
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>>
>>> \about[something]
>>>
>>> \stoptext
>>> """
>>
>> It's unrelated to \about. Using nothing as argument to the last key 
>> doesn't work, e.g. in the following example "b" keeps \endgroup as 
>> value when I wrote "b=".
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \getdummyparameters[a=\begingroup,b=\endgroup]
>>
>> \dummyparameter{a}
>> \dummyparameter{b}
>>
>> % b is still \endgroup
>>
>> \getdummyparameters[a=,b=]
>>
>> \dummyparameter{a}
>> \dummyparameter{b}
>>
>> \stoptext
> indeed that was the issue, seems like i generated the update but 
> didn't push it, can you check again?

It works now as expected.

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 10.08.23 um 17:02 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>> indeed that was the issue, seems like i generated the update but 
>> didn't push it, can you check again?
> 
> It works now as expected.

Confirmed.
Thank you!

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Thangalin]

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Did arguments regress in 2023.08.10 02:59?

$ cat u.tex
\starttext
Feisty arguments
\stoptext
$ context u.tex
$  ls -la *.pdf
-rw-r--r-- 1 username username 6279 Aug 10 18:28 u.pdf
$ context --arguments=x=y u.tex | grep error
tex error       > tex error on line 13 in file : Use of \getrawparameters
doesn't match its definition
mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1

This was working with the previous release.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 8:43 AM Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I uploaded a new lmtx. There are some new features that wil be revealed
> in the future (likely after the meeting) but here is one:
>
> \starttext
>
>      \defineoverlay
>        [test]
>        [\color
>           [blue]
>           {TEST
>            \inframed
>              [foregroundcolor=red]
>              {xxx}
>            TEST}]
>
>      \framed
>        [background=test,
>         foregroundstyle=\switchtobodyfont[small]]
>        {test}
>
> \stoptext
>
>  From now on many commands accept (properly) nested [] inside commands
> that use [] as fences (like the setup commands) where it makes sense. It
> is up to the user to decide to use {} (as before) or not but it is less
> error prone.
>
> It is now also possible to nest setups as in
>
> \starttext
>
> \startsetups one
>      \startsetups [three]
>          HERE
>      \stopsetups
> \stopsetups
>
> \startsetups two
>      \startsetups [three]
>          THERE
>      \stopsetups
> \stopsetups
>
> \setups[one] \setups[three]
>
> \setups[two] \setups[three]
>
> \stoptext
>
> As part of the ongoing improvements on math rendering we added some
> classic lm/cm kerns (between upperacse and periods / commas) in the
> goodie files.
>
> Some lowlevel manuals have been extended, explaining experimental 'named
> cross macro nesting parameter referencing' and 'constrained cq. retained
> assignments', but that is only relevant for those interested in
> overcoming some limitations in the traditional engines.
>
> Hans
>
>
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/11/2023 3:31 AM, Thangalin wrote:
> Did arguments regress in 2023.08.10 02:59?
> 
> $ cat u.tex
> \starttext
> Feisty arguments
> \stoptext
> $ context u.tex
> $  ls -la *.pdf
> -rw-r--r-- 1 username username 6279 Aug 10 18:28 u.pdf
> $ context --arguments=x=y u.tex | grep error
> tex error       > tex error on line 13 in file : Use of \getrawparameters
> doesn't match its definition
> mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1
> 
> This was working with the previous release.
line 802 in core-env should be:

\permanent\tolerant\protected\def\setupenv
   {\syst_variables_set\getrawparameters[\s!environment]}

(seems i forgot that one when doing some cleanup)

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Thangalin]

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That works Hans, thank you.

line 802 in core-env should be:
>
> \permanent\tolerant\protected\def\setupenv
>    {\syst_variables_set\getrawparameters[\s!environment]}
>
> (seems i forgot that one when doing some cleanup)
>
> Hans
>
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