* Some XML typesetting questions @ 2001-10-07 21:05 Jaroslav Snajdr 2001-10-08 7:07 ` Berend de Boer ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Jaroslav Snajdr @ 2001-10-07 21:05 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello, I've started playing with XML support in Context and have a couple of problems: 1. My XML document is divided into several files. The DOCTYPE declaration looks like this: <!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC ...docbook stuff... [ <!ENTITY ch1 SYSTEM "chapter1.xml"> <!ENTITY ch2 SYSTEM "chapter2.xml"> ]> <book> .. &ch1; &ch2; .. </book> How can I process this document in Context? I can define the entities &chx;, but that means to define the mapping to file at two places. 2. How to convert Docbook style chapters <chapter> <title>Title</title> <para>...</para> ... </chapter> into \chapter{Title} ..\par ? Pushing and popping cannot cope with chapter content. Now I do this: \defineXMLcommand[chapter]{\let\DBtitle=\chapter} \defineXMLargument[title]{\DBtitle} But I'm a bit afraid what will happen when I come to support tag arguments or other things. Thanks for now, -jns ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-07 21:05 Some XML typesetting questions Jaroslav Snajdr @ 2001-10-08 7:07 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-08 7:10 ` Berend de Boer [not found] ` <87lmiksq01.fsf@dellius.nederware.nl> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-08 7:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Jaroslav Snajdr <jarda@tinysoftware.cz> writes: > Pushing and popping cannot cope with chapter content. Now I do this: > > \defineXMLcommand[chapter]{\let\DBtitle=\chapter} > \defineXMLargument[title]{\DBtitle} > > But I'm a bit afraid what will happen when I come to support tag > arguments or other things. Perhaps do something like this: \defineXMLcommand[chapter] {\global\defineXMLcommand[title]{..}{..}} So you redefine the action for title based on chapter/section/etc. Title can be defined more or less according to the code in the manual I assume. (not sure if the global is needed) -- Groetjes, Berend. (-: ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-07 21:05 Some XML typesetting questions Jaroslav Snajdr 2001-10-08 7:07 ` Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-08 7:10 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-08 9:25 ` Hans Hagen [not found] ` <87lmiksq01.fsf@dellius.nederware.nl> 2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-08 7:10 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Jaroslav Snajdr <jarda@tinysoftware.cz> writes: > Hello, > > I've started playing with XML support in Context and have a couple of problems: > > 1. My XML document is divided into several files. The DOCTYPE declaration looks like this: > > <!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC ...docbook stuff... [ > <!ENTITY ch1 SYSTEM "chapter1.xml"> > <!ENTITY ch2 SYSTEM "chapter2.xml"> > ]> > <book> > .. > &ch1; > &ch2; > .. > </book> > > How can I process this document in Context? I can define the > entities &chx;, but that means to define the mapping to file at two > places. I think Hans should give you a call back for ENTITY. There you can do your own parsing and define the entities based on the particular entity definition. AFAIK this is not yet possible. -- Groetjes, Berend. (-: ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-08 7:10 ` Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-08 9:25 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-08 10:00 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-08 20:33 ` Simon Pepping 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-08 9:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Jaroslav Snajdr, ntg-context At 09:10 AM 10/8/2001 +0200, Berend de Boer wrote: >Jaroslav Snajdr <jarda@tinysoftware.cz> writes: > > > Hello, > > > > I've started playing with XML support in Context and have a couple of > problems: > > > > 1. My XML document is divided into several files. The DOCTYPE > declaration looks like this: > > > > <!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC ...docbook stuff... [ > > <!ENTITY ch1 SYSTEM "chapter1.xml"> > > <!ENTITY ch2 SYSTEM "chapter2.xml"> > > ]> > > <book> > > .. > > &ch1; > > &ch2; > > .. > > </book> > > > > How can I process this document in Context? I can define the > > entities &chx;, but that means to define the mapping to file at two > > places. > > >I think Hans should give you a call back for ENTITY. There you can do >your own parsing and define the entities based on the particular >entity definition. > >AFAIK this is not yet possible. You're right! Say that you have: \unprotect \def\@@XMLescape {\@@XML esc} \def\defineXMLescape[#1]#2{\long\setvalue{\@@XMLescape:#1}{#2}} \defineXMLescape [--] {\gobbleuntil{-->}} \defineXMLescape [CDATA] {\skipfirstverbatimlinefalse \processtaggeddisplayverbatim{]]>}} \defineXMLescape [\s!default] {\gobbleuntil{>}} \def\executeXMLescape#1% {\executeifdefined{\@@XMLescape:#1}{\getvalue{\@@XMLescape:\s!default}}} \protect \long\def\xdoXMLelement !#1 % !-- --> or !xyz > {\endgroup\executeXMLescape{#1}} Now, given that you have a </hello/> <world/> file, and a ! handler like: \defineXMLescape [DOCTYPE] {\handleXMLescapeDOCTYPE} \defineXMLescape [ENTITY] {\handleXMLescapeENTITY} \def\handleXMLescapeDOCTYPE#1[#2]>% {#2} \def\handleXMLescapeENTITY#1 #2 "#3"#4>% {\doif{#2}{SYSTEM}{\defineXMLentity[#1]{\readfile{#3}{}{}}}} then: \defineXMLsingular [test] {WHOW} \defineXMLsingular [hello] {Hello} \defineXMLsingular [world] {World} \startXMLdata <!DOCTYPE some unreadable crap [ <!ENTITY wellwell SYSTEM "test.xml"> ]> test <test/> <!-- hellup --> test <test/> &wellwell; \stopXMLdata will do what you want. But i suppose that the DOCTYPE syntax is richer that this example and i praise myself lucky that i don;t have a copy of the specs here -) Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-08 9:25 ` Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-08 10:00 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-08 16:15 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-08 20:33 ` Simon Pepping 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-08 10:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Jaroslav Snajdr, ntg-context Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes: > will do what you want. But i suppose that the DOCTYPE syntax is richer > that this example and i praise myself lucky that i don;t have a copy > of the specs here -) Do I here an excuse not to implement the full thing? :-) http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml -- Groetjes, Berend. (-: ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-08 10:00 ` Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-08 16:15 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-08 17:16 ` Berend de Boer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-08 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 12:00 PM 10/8/2001 +0200, Berend de Boer wrote: >http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml hm, but i wonder if it makes sense to start interpreting this dtd-inside-a-doc thing completely; maybe only those things that make sense, so the question is; what makes sense Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-08 16:15 ` Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-08 17:16 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-09 7:24 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-08 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes: > hm, but i wonder if it makes sense to start interpreting this > dtd-inside-a-doc thing completely; maybe only those things that make > sense, so the question is; what makes sense Good question... Support for the include thing is ok. For all else give people the raw stuff or so and wait until people start to ask support for specific things. -- Groetjes, Berend. (-: ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-08 17:16 ` Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-09 7:24 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-09 9:53 ` Berend de Boer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-09 7:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 07:16 PM 10/8/2001 +0200, Berend de Boer wrote: >Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes: > > > hm, but i wonder if it makes sense to start interpreting this > > dtd-inside-a-doc thing completely; maybe only those things that make > > sense, so the question is; what makes sense > >Good question... Support for the include thing is ok. For all else >give people the raw stuff or so and wait until people start to ask >support for specific things. then, is this ENTITY bla SYSTEM "filename" the pattern to support? Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-09 7:24 ` Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-09 9:53 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-09 15:38 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-09 9:53 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes: > then, is this > > ENTITY bla SYSTEM "filename" > > the pattern to support? Exactly. It's often used in things like this: ----------------------- <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?> <!DOCTYPE document [ <!ENTITY body SYSTEM "body.xml"> <!ENTITY sidebar SYSTEM "sidebar.xml"> ]> <document> <title>Eiffel</title> <meta name="Description" content="Berend's Eiffel page"/> <meta name="keywords" content="eiffel"/> <body> &body; </body> <sidebar> &sidebar; </sidebar> </document> ----------------------- -- Groetjes, Berend. (-: ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-09 9:53 ` Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-09 15:38 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-09 19:10 ` Simon Pepping 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-09 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 11:53 AM 10/9/2001 +0200, Berend de Boer wrote: >Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes: > > > then, is this > > > > ENTITY bla SYSTEM "filename" > > > > the pattern to support? > >Exactly. > >It's often used in things like this: > >----------------------- ><?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?> ><!DOCTYPE document [ > <!ENTITY body SYSTEM "body.xml"> > <!ENTITY sidebar SYSTEM "sidebar.xml"> yes, but according to bradley there can also be "yetanother.dtd" there so i assume that the inclusion should be limited to xml ? taco: what was this about graphics? Should &whatamess; then expand to \externalfigure[whatamess] ? How does one know what is a figure? Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-09 15:38 ` Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-09 19:10 ` Simon Pepping 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Simon Pepping @ 2001-10-09 19:10 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 05:38:34PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > At 11:53 AM 10/9/2001 +0200, Berend de Boer wrote: > >Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes: > > > > > then, is this > > > > > > ENTITY bla SYSTEM "filename" > > > > > > the pattern to support? > > > >Exactly. > > > >It's often used in things like this: > > > >----------------------- > ><?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?> > ><!DOCTYPE document [ > > <!ENTITY body SYSTEM "body.xml"> > > <!ENTITY sidebar SYSTEM "sidebar.xml"> > > yes, but according to bradley there can also be "yetanother.dtd" there so i > assume that the inclusion should be limited to xml ? > > taco: what was this about graphics? Should &whatamess; then expand to > \externalfigure[whatamess] ? How does one know what is a figure? I do not have the spec at hand, but I think these patterns occur: <!DOCTYPE rootelement [ <!ENTITY name SYSTEM "filename.xml"> <!ENTITY name PUBLIC "PubId" "filename.xml"> <!ENTITY figname SYSTEM "figname.gif" NOTATION gifimage> ]> The notation marks it as a non-parsed entity, i.e., a non-xml file. The notation must have been declared in the DTD or in the internal part of the DTD. <!NOTATION GIF SYSTEM "GIF"> <!NOTATION GIF87a PUBLIC "-//CompuServe//NOTATION Graphics Interchange Format 87a//EN"> I do not think you can include a figure by just using an entity &figname;. The entity should be the value of an attribute, e.g. <!ENTITY eiffeltower SYSTEM "figures/eiffeltower.gif" NOTATION gifimage> <imagedata entityref="eiffeltower" format="gif"/>. But more direct approaches also occur: <imagedata fileref="figures/eiffeltower.gif" format="gif"/> (from docbook). All entities may be parameter entities: <!ENTITY % name ..., but then they can only contain pieces of DTD or ENTITIES. Each public ID must be followed by a system ID. Public IDs are rarely used for non-dtd files. Public IDs and system IDs can be mapped to actual paths via an entity resolver mechanism. In SGML that was the catalog; I am not sure how it is done in XML. I guess you should only support unmapped system IDs. So basically, you should indeed only support this pattern: ENTITY bla SYSTEM "filename" Simon -- Simon Pepping email: spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-08 9:25 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-08 10:00 ` Berend de Boer @ 2001-10-08 20:33 ` Simon Pepping 2001-10-09 7:40 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Simon Pepping @ 2001-10-08 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Hans, Interesting, this looks like your API for XML programming. How do I go about to understand this? Is there documentation, or should I just work my way through the expansions produced by \tracingcommands=1? Or should I not try to understand this? Simon On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:25:50AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > \unprotect > > \def\@@XMLescape {\@@XML esc} > > \def\defineXMLescape[#1]#2{\long\setvalue{\@@XMLescape:#1}{#2}} > > \defineXMLescape [--] {\gobbleuntil{-->}} > \defineXMLescape [CDATA] {\skipfirstverbatimlinefalse > \processtaggeddisplayverbatim{]]>}} > \defineXMLescape [\s!default] {\gobbleuntil{>}} > > \def\executeXMLescape#1% > {\executeifdefined{\@@XMLescape:#1}{\getvalue{\@@XMLescape:\s!default}}} > > \protect > > \long\def\xdoXMLelement !#1 % !-- --> or !xyz > > {\endgroup\executeXMLescape{#1}} > > Now, given that you have a </hello/> <world/> file, and a ! handler like: > > \defineXMLescape [DOCTYPE] {\handleXMLescapeDOCTYPE} > \defineXMLescape [ENTITY] {\handleXMLescapeENTITY} > > \def\handleXMLescapeDOCTYPE#1[#2]>% > {#2} > > \def\handleXMLescapeENTITY#1 #2 "#3"#4>% > {\doif{#2}{SYSTEM}{\defineXMLentity[#1]{\readfile{#3}{}{}}}} > > then: > > \defineXMLsingular [test] {WHOW} > \defineXMLsingular [hello] {Hello} > \defineXMLsingular [world] {World} > -- Simon Pepping email: spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions 2001-10-08 20:33 ` Simon Pepping @ 2001-10-09 7:40 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-09 7:40 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 10:33 PM 10/8/2001 +0200, Simon Pepping wrote: >Interesting, this looks like your API for XML programming. How do I go >about to understand this? Is there documentation, or should I just >work my way through the expansions produced by \tracingcommands=1? Or >should I not try to understand this? in a couple of days i will release the new xtag modules, most of the interfac eis described in eXaMpLe.pdf but not yet this 'written in 5 minutes' api. >Simon > >On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:25:50AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > > \unprotect > > > > \def\@@XMLescape {\@@XML esc} everything xml has a namespace, this is the prefix, not for users > > \def\defineXMLescape[#1]#2{\long\setvalue{\@@XMLescape:#1}{#2}} > > > > \defineXMLescape [--] {\gobbleuntil{-->}} > > \defineXMLescape [CDATA] {\skipfirstverbatimlinefalse > > \processtaggeddisplayverbatim{]]>}} > > \defineXMLescape [\s!default] {\gobbleuntil{>}} these are default def's, using a couple of context system macros, described in syst-*.tex (it may be worth printing the documentation for syst-gen.tex and alike: texexec --pdf --modu syst-tex.tex > > \def\executeXMLescape#1% > > {\executeifdefined{\@@XMLescape:#1}{\getvalue{\@@XMLescape:\s!default}}} again, something not for the user, this hooks into the element handler (which captures ? ! and the rest) > > \protect > > > > \long\def\xdoXMLelement !#1 % !-- --> or !xyz > > > {\endgroup\executeXMLescape{#1}} > > > > Now, given that you have a </hello/> <world/> file, and a ! handler like: > > > > \defineXMLescape [DOCTYPE] {\handleXMLescapeDOCTYPE} > > \defineXMLescape [ENTITY] {\handleXMLescapeENTITY} > > > > \def\handleXMLescapeDOCTYPE#1[#2]>% > > {#2} > > > > \def\handleXMLescapeENTITY#1 #2 "#3"#4>% > > {\doif{#2}{SYSTEM}{\defineXMLentity[#1]{\readfile{#3}{}{}}}} this is the kind of stuff that users can write to extend the parser, btu i will probably add reasonable thinsg to the kernel what happens here is that (since <! can end up in anything) you need to grab eveything till the end sequence, for instance being --> or ]> ior whatever. Here a little knowledge of tex and xml helps -) > > then: > > > > \defineXMLsingular [test] {WHOW} > > \defineXMLsingular [hello] {Hello} > > \defineXMLsingular [world] {World} this is described in example.pdf Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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* Re: Some XML typesetting questions [not found] ` <87lmiksq01.fsf@dellius.nederware.nl> @ 2001-10-10 8:21 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-23 11:08 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-10 8:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 07:05 PM 10/9/2001 +0200, Berend de Boer wrote: ><?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?> ><!DOCTYPE document [ > <!ENTITY yes SYSTEM "http://www.oops.com/yes.xml"> well, at eurotex fabrice p demonstrated me a tex that could really suck such files in from the web , so never say that tex cannot do it -) Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Some XML typesetting questions [not found] ` <87lmiksq01.fsf@dellius.nederware.nl> 2001-10-10 8:21 ` Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-23 11:08 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-10-23 11:08 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 07:05 PM 10/9/2001 +0200, Berend de Boer wrote: >Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes: > > > yes, but according to bradley there can also be "yetanother.dtd" there > > so i assume that the inclusion should be limited to xml ? > >And so forth. It would indeed by nice if you could just load/parse >xml/dtd in these cases as if it was included right there, just doing an >\input and continuing is fine. > >I think you can do that for any file mentioned in that way, whether it >has the .dtd or .xml or extension or something else. Parsers also just >load the stuff. > >Something I forgot: I think this is also valid: > ><?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?> ><!DOCTYPE document [ > <!ENTITY yes SYSTEM "http://www.oops.com/yes.xml"> the next release supports some of the stuff that makes sense; apart from generally being faster, the next context release will no integrate xml in such a way that no special settings are needed for tui/buffer/whatever files, i.e. it kind of adapts itself. Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2001-10-23 11:08 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 15+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2001-10-07 21:05 Some XML typesetting questions Jaroslav Snajdr 2001-10-08 7:07 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-08 7:10 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-08 9:25 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-08 10:00 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-08 16:15 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-08 17:16 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-09 7:24 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-09 9:53 ` Berend de Boer 2001-10-09 15:38 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-09 19:10 ` Simon Pepping 2001-10-08 20:33 ` Simon Pepping 2001-10-09 7:40 ` Hans Hagen [not found] ` <87lmiksq01.fsf@dellius.nederware.nl> 2001-10-10 8:21 ` Hans Hagen 2001-10-23 11:08 ` Hans Hagen
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