* Bibliographies in ConTeXt
@ 2002-01-14 16:47 Randall Skelton
2002-01-14 17:52 ` Marco Kuhlmann
2002-01-20 5:46 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Randall Skelton @ 2002-01-14 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hello all,
I have searched through the mailing list and learned of a module named m-
bib that allows bibtex databases to be used in ConTeXt. While I have
used bibtex in the past, most of my references are stored in a
postgresql database -- I already parse this into XML for some web tools I
have built. I certainly can also write some perl to export the SQL to a
bibtex format but I could just as easily export it to something else. I
suppose my question is: what is the best way to include a scientific
bibliography/reference list in a context document? What are others
using? Does anyone have example source that shows how to include an
author-sorted list of references at the end of a document?
As an aside, having just found the m-bib zip file, where should one place
the module files so that texexec can find it? (FreeBSD, Darwin, OS X)
Many thanks,
Randall
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* Re: Bibliographies in ConTeXt
2002-01-14 16:47 Bibliographies in ConTeXt Randall Skelton
@ 2002-01-14 17:52 ` Marco Kuhlmann
2002-01-16 8:28 ` Taco Hoekwater
2002-01-20 21:06 ` Bibliographies in ConTeXt Hans Hagen
2002-01-20 5:46 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Marco Kuhlmann @ 2002-01-14 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
* Randall Skelton <rhskelto@atm.ox.ac.uk> (2002-01-14 16:47:56 +0000):
> I suppose my question is: what is the best way to include a
> scientific bibliography/reference list in a context document?
> What are others using?
If I understood Taco right in a previous mail, he plans to
include XML support in a future version of his m-bib module. I
am therefore currently using a home-brewed version of BibTeXML,
which implements the BibTeX content model in XML. From
BibTeXML, I convert to BibTeX using an XSL style-sheet.
Cheers,
Marco
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* Re: Bibliographies in ConTeXt
2002-01-14 17:52 ` Marco Kuhlmann
@ 2002-01-16 8:28 ` Taco Hoekwater
2002-01-16 11:43 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta
2002-01-20 21:06 ` Bibliographies in ConTeXt Hans Hagen
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2002-01-16 8:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ntg-context
First for Randall:
If you place the module in the same directory as cont-usr.tex and
regenerate the filename database, ConTeXt should definately be able
to find the module.
Bibtex is not needed if you can find a way to create
the TeX input database as is described in the documentation.
So you could probably write a script that converts PostgresQL
to the TeX database.
> If I understood Taco right in a previous mail, he plans to
> include XML support in a future version of his m-bib module. I
Correct. Not sure when I get around to doing this though.
--
groeten,
Taco
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* Re[2]: Bibliographies in ConTeXt
2002-01-16 8:28 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2002-01-16 11:43 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2002-01-20 21:08 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2002-01-16 11:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ntg-context
Wednesday, January 16, 2002 Taco Hoekwater wrote:
TH> Bibtex is not needed if you can find a way to create
TH> the TeX input database as is described in the documentation.
TH> So you could probably write a script that converts PostgresQL
TH> to the TeX database.
Now, if TeXUtil had a module capability, the BibTeX & co
functionality could be built into a Perl module for TeXUtil,
automatically called when needed, and we would really not need
BibTeX at all.
Hans?
--
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
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* Re: Bibliographies in ConTeXt
2002-01-14 16:47 Bibliographies in ConTeXt Randall Skelton
2002-01-14 17:52 ` Marco Kuhlmann
@ 2002-01-20 5:46 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-01-20 5:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ntg-context
At 04:47 PM 1/14/2002 +0000, Randall Skelton wrote:
>As an aside, having just found the m-bib zip file, where should one place
>the module files so that texexec can find it? (FreeBSD, Darwin, OS X)
more precisely: "so that web2c can find them"; texexec just calls tex
texmf.../tex/context/base : the formal core distribution
/extra : official goodies
/sample : a couple of example files
/user : your stuff, also cont-sys.tex
/third : modules not maintained by me
so, it makes sense to put m-bib into
/third/bib/
Hans
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* Re: Bibliographies in ConTeXt
2002-01-14 17:52 ` Marco Kuhlmann
2002-01-16 8:28 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2002-01-20 21:06 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-01-20 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ntg-context
At 02:52 AM 1/15/2002 +0000, Marco Kuhlmann wrote:
>If I understood Taco right in a previous mail, he plans to
>include XML support in a future version of his m-bib module. I
>am therefore currently using a home-brewed version of BibTeXML,
>which implements the BibTeX content model in XML. From
>BibTeXML, I convert to BibTeX using an XSL style-sheet.
so, how about making that into a kind of project ?
Hans
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* Re[2]: Bibliographies in ConTeXt
2002-01-16 11:43 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta
@ 2002-01-20 21:08 ` Hans Hagen
2002-01-21 10:01 ` Bibliographies (answers and questions) Taco Hoekwater
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-01-20 21:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Taco Hoekwater, ntg-context
At 09:43 PM 1/16/2002 +0100, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
>Now, if TeXUtil had a module capability, the BibTeX & co
>functionality could be built into a Perl module for TeXUtil,
>automatically called when needed, and we would really not need
>BibTeX at all.
>
>Hans?
right, but isn't it best than to sort etc the xml counterpart?
i'm not sure how well the perl xslt module performs currently in sorting etc
Hans
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* Bibliographies (answers and questions)
2002-01-20 21:08 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2002-01-21 10:01 ` Taco Hoekwater
2002-01-21 17:07 ` Andreas Ulbrich
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2002-01-21 10:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: bourbaki, ntg-context
First of all, anyone having problems with the bib module: please
update your context. There has been a problem with the context core
that caused the list of references to always remain empty.
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:08:04 +0100
"Hans Hagen" <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> >and we would really not need BibTeX at all.
We don't *want* Bibtex. Bibtex is a nastly little program that uses
a nearly unparseable database format. However, as it is now, XML
is not yet wide-spread and there are lots of people that have .bib
files.
The bib module does not use bibtex directly, and this is very much
on purpose. It uses bibtex as a data converter and sorting engine,
and nothing more.
To get the bib module to use XML, a number of steps have to be
taken:
a) We need a DTD/Schema
b) We need an sorting routine for that DTD/Schema (perhaps
XSLT but 'plain perl' is probably more portable)
c) We need ConTeXt macros to parse the result XML
d) We need a converter BibTeX -> XML
e) We perhaps need a converter from the current TeX bib database
to XML?
Lots of stuff to do, so I am asking for volunteers, esp. for a)
and b). (Marco?)
--
groeten,
Taco
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* Re: Bibliographies (answers and questions)
2002-01-21 10:01 ` Bibliographies (answers and questions) Taco Hoekwater
@ 2002-01-21 17:07 ` Andreas Ulbrich
2002-01-22 10:02 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Andreas Ulbrich @ 2002-01-21 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> First of all, anyone having problems with the bib module: please
> update your context. There has been a problem with the context core
> that caused the list of references to always remain empty.
Ok, I updated to 2001.11.13.13.14, which I found on www.ntg.nl/context.
Yet, the problem persists. Is there any newer version of context or do I
have to use the beta? Would using the beta break any existing context docs?
Thanks,
Andreas
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* Re: Bibliographies (answers and questions)
2002-01-21 17:07 ` Andreas Ulbrich
@ 2002-01-22 10:02 ` Hans Hagen
2002-01-22 11:06 ` Andreas Ulbrich
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-01-22 10:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Taco Hoekwater, ntg-context
At 06:07 PM 1/21/2002 +0100, Andreas Ulbrich wrote:
>Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>
>>First of all, anyone having problems with the bib module: please
>>update your context. There has been a problem with the context core
>>that caused the list of references to always remain empty.
>
>
>Ok, I updated to 2001.11.13.13.14, which I found on www.ntg.nl/context.
>Yet, the problem persists. Is there any newer version of context or do I
>have to use the beta? Would using the beta break any existing context docs?
try the beta from www.pragma-pod.nl
(i'll promote that one to regular soon)
Hans
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* Re: Bibliographies (answers and questions)
2002-01-22 10:02 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2002-01-22 11:06 ` Andreas Ulbrich
2002-01-22 12:15 ` Hans Hagen
2002-01-22 19:06 ` Domain troubles (was: Bibliographies) Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Andreas Ulbrich @ 2002-01-22 11:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans Hagen wrote:
> try the beta from www.pragma-pod.nl
>
> (i'll promote that one to regular soon)
>
> Hans
That url does not produce more than a link to xs4all, which as I
understand is you Dutch provider. Is the beta from www.ntg.nl/context
the most recent (i.e. the one you gonna release)?
Thanks,
Andreas
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* Re: Bibliographies (answers and questions)
2002-01-22 11:06 ` Andreas Ulbrich
@ 2002-01-22 12:15 ` Hans Hagen
2002-01-22 15:18 ` Andreas Ulbrich
2002-01-22 15:28 ` Berend de Boer
2002-01-22 19:06 ` Domain troubles (was: Bibliographies) Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-01-22 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ntg-context
At 12:06 PM 1/22/2002 +0100, Andreas Ulbrich wrote:
>Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>
>>try the beta from www.pragma-pod.nl
>>(i'll promote that one to regular soon)
>>Hans
>
>
>That url does not produce more than a link to xs4all, which as I
>understand is you Dutch provider. Is the beta from www.ntg.nl/context the
>most recent (i.e. the one you gonna release)?
here the name is resolved properly but last week there have been problems;
what happens if you reset your browser cache?
Hans
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* Re: Bibliographies (answers and questions)
2002-01-22 12:15 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2002-01-22 15:18 ` Andreas Ulbrich
2002-01-22 15:28 ` Berend de Boer
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From: Andreas Ulbrich @ 2002-01-22 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans Hagen wrote:
>> That url does not produce more than a link to xs4all, which as I
>> understand is you Dutch provider. Is the beta from www.ntg.nl/context
>> the most recent (i.e. the one you gonna release)?
>
>
> here the name is resolved properly but last week there have been
> problems; what happens if you reset your browser cache?
Same result. I downloaded the beta from www.ntg.nl/context and this one
seems to work (bib included). Thanks.
This is what nslookup said:
> www.pragma-pod.nl
Server: opal.cs.tu-berlin.de
Address: 130.149.17.5
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.pragma-pod.nl
Address: 194.109.6.83
>
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* Re: Bibliographies (answers and questions)
2002-01-22 12:15 ` Hans Hagen
2002-01-22 15:18 ` Andreas Ulbrich
@ 2002-01-22 15:28 ` Berend de Boer
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From: Berend de Boer @ 2002-01-22 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Andreas Ulbrich, ntg-context
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
> here the name is resolved properly but last week there have been
> problems; what happens if you reset your browser cache?
Or use a different browser than bug plagued MS IE?
--
Groetjes,
Berend. (-:
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* Domain troubles (was: Bibliographies)
2002-01-22 11:06 ` Andreas Ulbrich
2002-01-22 12:15 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2002-01-22 19:06 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2002-01-22 19:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ntg-context
Am Dienstag 22 Januar 2002 12:06 schrieb Andreas Ulbrich:
> Hans Hagen wrote:
> > try the beta from www.pragma-pod.nl
> That url does not produce more than a link to xs4all, which as I
I got the latest beta this afternoon from pragma-pod without problems.
G.v.H.!
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