Hyphenation problem

Hyphenation problem

[Nagy Bence]

Hi all,

I would like to typeset hungarian texts with ConTeXt, and
I'm using the following code in LaTeX:

    \usepackage[magyar]{babel}
    \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
    \usepackage[latin2]{inputenc}

How can I do this with ConTeXt? I want to use Latin-2
encoding in my files and obtain correct hyphenation in words
with accented characters.

My format file was generated with

    texexec --make --language=hu en

and I can see, that the hungarian hyphenation patterns are
loaded, when I run ConTeXt. The first line of my document is

    %interface=en output=pdftex translate=il2-t1

but I always receive the warning message

    Missing character: There is no é in font cmr10!

and similar... (but this error doesn't appear with \'e) And
the hyphenations are missing in these words.

Greetings

Bence Nagy

Re: Hyphenation problem

[Hans Hagen]

At 03:38 PM 6/10/2002 +0200, Nagy Bence wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>
>I would like to typeset hungarian texts with ConTeXt, and
>I'm using the following code in LaTeX:
>
>     \usepackage[magyar]{babel}
>     \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
>     \usepackage[latin2]{inputenc}
>
>How can I do this with ConTeXt? I want to use Latin-2
>encoding in my files and obtain correct hyphenation in words
>with accented characters.
>
>My format file was generated with
>
>     texexec --make --language=hu en
>
>and I can see, that the hungarian hyphenation patterns are
>loaded, when I run ConTeXt. The first line of my document is
>
>     %interface=en output=pdftex translate=il2-t1
>
>but I always receive the warning message
>
>     Missing character: There is no é in font cmr10!
>
>and similar... (but this error doesn't appear with \'e) And
>the hyphenations are missing in these words.

best is:

   texexec --make --language=en,hu --bodyf=csr en

in case of english default: \mainlanguage[hu]

now the cmr's are replaced by their il2 csr counterparts

i'm not sure about the translate filter

[btw, it may be that some additional language settings are needed, like 
spacing around : as in french, so if this is needed, let me know]

Hans
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Re: hyphenation problem

[Hans Hagen]

Hans van der Meer wrote:
> On 12 mei 2008, at 12:50, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
>> Hans van der Meer wrote:
>>> In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when
>>> hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens  
>>> when
>>> I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The  
>>> number
>>> of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two
>>> o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the
>>> same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation?
>>>
>>> ConTeXt  ver: 2008.04.18 14:17 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.19  int: english/
>>> english
>>>
>>> \enableregime[mac]
>>> \language[nl]
>>> \setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt]
>>> \starttext
>>> hyphen test:
>>> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>> coördinaat.
>>> \par
>>> hyphen test:
>>> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>> co\"ordinaat.
>>> \par
>>> \stoptext
>> in principle we can make patterns that has this info by adding
>> discretionaries to the patterns ... too much work to do that by hand
>>
> 
> I am quite surprised by this, because in dutch there are a lot of  
> words with ö, ë to be hyphenated this way. And isn't there something  
> alike in german with the \SS?
> Anyway, it would be much appreciated as this sort of hyphenation could  
> find its way in ConTeXt. It wouldn't do if LaTeX would keep in front  
> of ConTeXt in this respect ;-)

this the area were the active " was used to inject disc's: "ck and such

at some point we need to fix the pattern files for this since anything 
active or funnily escaped (using ") will mess up something else

context operates within the same constraints as latex so .. -)

Hans


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Re: hyphenation problem

[Hans van der Meer]

On 12 mei 2008, at 12:50, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Hans van der Meer wrote:
>> In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when
>> hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens  
>> when
>> I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The  
>> number
>> of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two
>> o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the
>> same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation?
>>
>> ConTeXt  ver: 2008.04.18 14:17 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.19  int: english/
>> english
>>
>> \enableregime[mac]
>> \language[nl]
>> \setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt]
>> \starttext
>> hyphen test:
>> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>> coördinaat.
>> \par
>> hyphen test:
>> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>> co\"ordinaat.
>> \par
>> \stoptext
>
> in principle we can make patterns that has this info by adding
> discretionaries to the patterns ... too much work to do that by hand
>

I am quite surprised by this, because in dutch there are a lot of  
words with ö, ë to be hyphenated this way. And isn't there something  
alike in german with the \SS?
Anyway, it would be much appreciated as this sort of hyphenation could  
find its way in ConTeXt. It wouldn't do if LaTeX would keep in front  
of ConTeXt in this respect ;-)

Hans van der Meer




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Re: hyphenation problem

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hans van der Meer wrote:
> 
> In my recollection this worked like a charm in the LaTeX-Babel package!

Well, \usemodule[babel] has never worked either ;-)

Anyway, I just realised after posting my message that the input could
be made to work by making ö active and having it execute a macro like

\unexpanded\def\dutchotrema{\dicretionary{-}{o}{\char"F6}}

The problem is that there is no infrastructure for such macros
(and there really has to be one, because it touches all of the
input regime, current language, and font encoding).

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: hyphenation problem

[Hans van der Meer]

On 12 mei 2008, at 13:01, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> Hans van der Meer wrote:
>> In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when
>> hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens  
>> when
>> I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The  
>> number
>> of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two
>> o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the
>> same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation?
>
> I do not believe this ever has worked, because it is not supported
> by Knuth's hyphenation algorithm, at all.
>
>
> In MkIV, the following (in utf-8!) will work:
>
> \language[nl]
> \setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt]
> \hyphenation{co{-}{o}{ö}r-di-naat}
> \starttext
> hyphen test:
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
> coördinaat
> \stoptext
>
> But not the example with the \" coding (and that likely never will).
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
>

In my recollection this worked like a charm in the LaTeX-Babel package!

Hans van der Meer

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Re: hyphenation problem

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hans van der Meer wrote:
> In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when  
> hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens when  
> I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The number  
> of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two  
> o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the  
> same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation?

I do not believe this ever has worked, because it is not supported
by Knuth's hyphenation algorithm, at all.


In MkIV, the following (in utf-8!) will work:

\language[nl]
\setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt]
\hyphenation{co{-}{o}{ö}r-di-naat}
\starttext
hyphen test:
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
coördinaat
\stoptext

But not the example with the \" coding (and that likely never will).

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: hyphenation problem

[Hans Hagen]

Hans van der Meer wrote:
> In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when  
> hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens when  
> I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The number  
> of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two  
> o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the  
> same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation?
> 
> ConTeXt  ver: 2008.04.18 14:17 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.19  int: english/ 
> english
> 
> \enableregime[mac]
> \language[nl]
> \setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt]
> \starttext
> hyphen test:  
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  
> coördinaat.
> \par
> hyphen test:  
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  
> co\"ordinaat.
> \par
> \stoptext

in principle we can make patterns that has this info by adding 
discretionaries to the patterns ... too much work to do that by hand


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hyphenation problem

[Hans van der Meer]

In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when  
hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens when  
I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The number  
of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two  
o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the  
same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation?

ConTeXt  ver: 2008.04.18 14:17 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.19  int: english/ 
english

\enableregime[mac]
\language[nl]
\setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt]
\starttext
hyphen test:  
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  
coördinaat.
\par
hyphen test:  
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  
co\"ordinaat.
\par
\stoptext

Hans van der Meer




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