Index and accented characters +misc problems

Index and accented characters +misc problems

[Gilles Pérez-Lambert]

Hello,

(ConteXt 2002.05.24)

1.
I have a small problem with an index. I obtain:

---
	Index

	Éluard, Paul 28
	Érigène, Scot 245
	Ézéchiel 287

	a
	Acarie 244
	Alacoque, Marie 248
	Aldington, Richard 20

	....

	Thoreau 280
	Thérèse [sainte] 232, 291
---

I cannot see in the setupregister where I can specify the sort encoding...

2.
I use:

	\setupindenting[small,first]

but paragraphs after section are not indented.

3.
When I use:

	\version[temporary]

I get the registers in the page but these indications visually collide with 
the text.

***

Thanks,

Gilles.

Re: Index and accented characters +misc problems

[Hans Hagen]

At 03:24 PM 6/11/2002 +0200, Gilles Pérez-Lambert wrote:
>Hello,
>
>
>(ConteXt 2002.05.24)
>
>1.
>I have a small problem with an index. I obtain:
>
>---
>         Index
>
>         Éluard, Paul 28
>         Érigène, Scot 245
>         Ézéchiel 287
>
>         a
>         Acarie 244
>         Alacoque, Marie 248
>         Aldington, Richard 20
>
>         ....
>
>         Thoreau 280
>         Thérèse [sainte] 232, 291

Well, this is something to be sorted out (daniel may help us here). We need 
to define a sort key (see enco-fpl.tex for an example).

\startlanguagespecifics[...]

   \definesortkey {\k a}{a}{d}{\k a}

arg 1: char to be sorted
arg 2: sort under a
arg 3: after d
arg 4: char to show up as identifying the char section

Hans

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Re: Index and accented characters +misc problems

[Daniel Flipo]

[ Wrong sorting for French accentuated characters]

Hans wrote:
« Well, this is something to be sorted out (daniel may help us here). We need 
« to define a sort key (see enco-fpl.tex for an example).
« 
« \startlanguagespecifics[...]
« 
«    \definesortkey {\k a}{a}{d}{\k a}
« 
« arg 1: char to be sorted
« arg 2: sort under a
« arg 3: after d
« arg 4: char to show up as identifying the char section

OK, Hans, I'll try to do that, say within a week from now.

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Re: Index and accented characters +misc problems

[Gilles Pérez-Lambert]

> [ Wrong sorting for French accentuated characters]
>
> Hans wrote:
> « Well, this is something to be sorted out (daniel may help us here). We 
> need
> « to define a sort key (see enco-fpl.tex for an example).

I tried to put a small part:

\startlanguagespecifics[\s!fr]

   \definesortkey {\'E}{e}{e}{e}
   \definesortkey {\'e}{e}{e}{e}
   \definesortkey {É}{e}{e}{e}
   \definesortkey {233}{e}{e}{e}

\stoplanguagespecifics

in enco-ffr.tex. I remade the format and it didn't change anything... As 
you see, I tried serveral way to define the first arg.

Thanks,

Gilles.

Re: Index and accented characters +misc problems

[Hans Hagen]

At 03:00 PM 6/12/2002 +0200, Gilles Pérez-Lambert wrote:
>>[ Wrong sorting for French accentuated characters]
>>
>>Hans wrote:
>>« Well, this is something to be sorted out (daniel may help us here). We need
>>« to define a sort key (see enco-fpl.tex for an example).
>
>I tried to put a small part:
>
>
>\startlanguagespecifics[\s!fr]
>
>   \definesortkey {\'E}{e}{e}{e}
>   \definesortkey {\'e}{e}{e}{e}
>   \definesortkey {É}{e}{e}{e}
>   \definesortkey {233}{e}{e}{e}
>
>\stoplanguagespecifics
>
>
>in enco-ffr.tex. I remade the format and it didn't change anything... As 
>you see, I tried serveral way to define the first arg.

i'll look into it

Hans

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Re: Index and accented characters +misc problems

[Daniel Flipo]

Hi Hans,

I have played a bit with sorting...
As far as I understand the problem, what is needed
is not to add things like
\startlanguagespecifics[\s!fr]
  \definesortkey {\`A}{a}{a}{A}
\stoplanguagespecifics[\s!fr]

But to add sorting keys into the used encoding.
For me, this works in French: I add 

\startencoding[ec]

  \definesortkey {192}{a}{a}{a}  % \`A
  \definesortkey {224}{a}{a}{a}  % \`a
  \definesortkey {194}{a}{a}{a}  % \^A
  \definesortkey {226}{a}{a}{a}  % \^a
  \definesortkey {198}{ae}{a}{a} % \AE
  \definesortkey {230}{ae}{a}{a} % \ae

  \definesortkey {199}{c}{a}{c}  % \c C
  \definesortkey {231}{c}{a}{c}  % \c c

  \definesortkey {200}{e}{a}{e}} % \`E
  \definesortkey {232}{e}{a}{e}  % \`e
  \definesortkey {201}{e}{a}{e}  % \'E
  \definesortkey {233}{e}{a}{e}  % \'e
  \definesortkey {202}{e}{a}{e}  % \^E
  \definesortkey {234}{e}{a}{e}  % \^e
  \definesortkey {203}{e}{a}{e}  % \"E
  \definesortkey {235}{e}{a}{e}  % \"e

  \definesortkey {206}{i}{a}{i}  % \^I
  \definesortkey {238}{i}{a}{i}  % \^\i
  \definesortkey {207}{i}{a}{i}  % \"I
  \definesortkey {239}{i}{a}{i}  % \"\i

  \definesortkey {212}{o}{a}{o}  % \^O
  \definesortkey {244}{o}{a}{o}  % \^o
  \definesortkey {215}{oe}{a}{o} % \OE
  \definesortkey {247}{oe}{a}{o} % \oe

  \definesortkey {217}{u}{a}{u}  % \`U
  \definesortkey {249}{u}{a}{u}  % \`u
  \definesortkey {220}{u}{a}{u}  % \"U
  \definesortkey {252}{u}{a}{u}  % \"u

  \definesortkey {152}{y}{a}{y}  % \"Y
  \definesortkey {184}{y}{a}{y}  % \"y

\stopencoding

to enco-ec.tex and recompile the format.

There are two flaws (for me):

1) This sorting is language independent, and I guess
   this is not correct: for instance we (French) would
   sort {\"u} as {u} but Germans could perhaps want (?)
   {\"u} to be sorted as {ue} for instance...

2) If you use the 7-bit encoding in the index command
   like this:
   été\index{\'et\'e}
   then "été" appears at a wrong place in the index.
   This is bad because it is avaisable to convert
   8-bit source files into the raw TeX encoding before
   sending them to other people.

Daniel.

PS: Gilles, please, check I have not forgetten anything
in my list.

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Re: Index and accented characters +misc problems

[Gilles Pérez-Lambert]

Hello,

Le samedi 15 juin 2002, à 12:39, Daniel Flipo a écrit :
> I have played a bit with sorting...
> As far as I understand the problem, what is needed
> is not to add things like
> \startlanguagespecifics[\s!fr]
>   \definesortkey {\`A}{a}{a}{A}
> \stoplanguagespecifics[\s!fr]
>
> But to add sorting keys into the used encoding.
> For me, this works in French: I add

For me, it doesn't work at all... I tried the same thing as you in enco-ec.
tex, rebuild the format ans nothing.

> PS: Gilles, please, check I have not forgetten anything
> in my list.

I looked and saw nothing except that I used (but without testing):

...
   \definesortkey {199}{c}{c}{c}  % \c C
   \definesortkey {231}{c}{c}{c}  % \c c

   \definesortkey {200}{e}{e}{e} % \`E
   \definesortkey {232}{e}{e}{e}  % \`e
...

I set the third arg differently.

Thanks,

Gilles.