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@ 2002-07-22 20:33 Hans Hagen
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>From: Mari L J Voipio <mvoipio@cc.helsinki.fi>
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>To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>Subject: Re: \setfootertexts and # of lines
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>On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Cortjan Koppen wrote:
> > 1. I cannot get a second (or more) line in the footer
>
>With normal commands you really cannot - this is a "feature" in the
>ConTeXt (as I found out by browsing the mail archive).
>
>You need to make "boxes" (\hbox, \vbox etc.) to be able to do this and
>making it happen was almost too much to my logic.
>
>This works, if only one edge of the page is to have multiline footers:
>
>\setupfootertexts
> [\vbox
> {whatever you \endgraf
> want to \endgraf
> show up there}]
> [---\pagenumber--]
>
>The code is from an old message in the archives,
><http://ml-archives.mini.pw.edu.pl/ntg-context/msg06421.html> and I can
>attest that it works.
>
>
>My problem was that I wanted things like
>_________________________________________
>Text 1 more text
>Text 2 and still more text here
>
>
>And THAT needed boxes inside boxes and other interesting stuff, doing the
>line wasn't so easy. And also my footers were for a while in a different
>page than where they were supposed to be; I just don't remember, what the
>problem was (if I ever found out the reason). We managed to solve the
>footer problem in the end, got all the text in the right place on the page
>and everything, but unfortunately I only have that piece of tex code on my
>computer at work (and on the backup server at work), not here at home.
>I'll post that tomorrow, it may come handy until Hans implements multiline
>footers.
>
>Hans, you can imagine that multiple line footers are still on the
>wish-list, if you haven't implemented them yet...
>
>
>Mari Voipio
>a ConTeXt newbie from Finland
>
>PS. To whomever who asked about multiline headers: Try to implement the
>piece of code above in the headers as well. The dots you need for your
>class papers are "tab leaders", but I don't know how to do them, I think
>somebody else can figure that out faster than I do. :-)
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@ 2002-07-23 17:44 Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-07-23 17:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:54:21 +0200 (MET DST)
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>
>[Let's hope me and my mailer now agree enough on things that this doesn't
>fasten in the spam filter any more - sorry, Hans, if it does.]
>
>
>On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Kris Hermans wrote:
>
> > I tried it, but I get the following error:
>
> > \par
>
>Judging from the old messages I browsed when trying to do a multiline
>footer you need to use \endgraf instead of \par (there was an explanation
>as well, but I didn't probably understand much of it).
\par is kind of special and only accepted as argument when macros are
defined \long; a kind of left over from the days when computers were slow
and memory sparse and catching run away args was important.
>However, I tested this code and it at least kind of works, may need some
>fine tuning which is beyond my means:
>
>\setupheadertexts
> [\vbox
> {Name: \dotfill . \endgraf
> Classroom: \dotfill . \endgraf
> Date: \dotfill .}]
> [\blank]
>
>
>
>Mari
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@ 2002-07-12 16:36 Hans Hagen
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>
>First, I'll give my background: I study (sort of...) Scandinavian
>languages, but work as a combined helpdesk-webmaster-communications
>manager-technical writer in a small industrial firm. I'm a Windows
>"power-user", have survival skills in unix and I'm used to the concept of
>structured documents (I even used outline view in Word to structure Word
>docs...), but I have NO LaTeX skills whatsoever.
>
>On the moment I'm using ConTeXt+MikTeX+WinEdt (+WindowsNT or WindowsXP) to
>create a new manual editing system for us, the old manuals have been
>written in Word and it just cannot handle it (surprise...) and I *hate*
>editing that old crud. There are still some font problems to be solved and
>we need to find or create an easily installed pdf creation system for
>people who will translate the manuals, but on the moment I'm happy to
>stick to ConTeXt at it seems to suit the manuals' needs a lot better than
>LaTeX or Word.
>
>In the hopefully not so distant future I'll start writing my
>master's thesis and I'm seriously planning to do this with ConTeXt. It
>shouldn't need any fancy formatting (few pictures, no maths...) and the
>printers over here are happy to accept pdf files. I'm also planning to
>have both Windows and Linux computers at home, so something that migrates
>easily (unlike Word) is high on my list. Maybe surprisingly, I'm planning
>to try ConTeXt with Emacs, even in Windows - I'm not very advanced as
>Emacs user, but experienced in using some basic modes and thus I wouldn't
>have to use different editors in different operating systems.
>
>
>Then, to the reason why I'm writing all this:
>
>On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Randall Skelton wrote:
> > I tend to agree that if there is one single, critical document missing
> > from the ConTeXt manuals it is a 'ConTeXt Cookbook' of sorts.
><snip>
> > An online, searchable collection of ConTeXt example documents, and code
> > snipits would be an excellent resource and may ease the rather steep
> > learning curve.
>
>Funny, this is one of the two - no, three - things I've been thinking
>about as I may have to write them anyway for work use:
>
>
>1) A ConTeXt Cookbook
>
>Just like a basic cookbook for your kitchen, this would have an exact list
>of ingredients and instructions on what to do and in which order. This
>would probably be an "intermediate" cookbook that assumes you know some
>basics like "how to turn on the oven = run texexec" and "when the cake is
>done = when the run is over and how to view the results".
>
>I got this idea when one of my first exercises in ConTeXt was to create a
>multiline footer - it took me a day to find the right method (thanks, mail
>archives) and I needed a LaTeX person to help me to fix the last problems.
>I thought that now that I have some kind of a "recipe" for multiline
>footers, I could share it with others, I just haven't got the webspace for
>the "cookbook" on the moment.
>
>
>2) ConTeXt for Windows Users
>
>This would be a "how to get started" introduction for people, who are
>already interested in structural languages and just want to start using
>ConTeXt in their Windows machines. IMHO, it won't pay to tell them "switch
>to unix/linux", the way to get these people to use ConTeXt is to help
>to help them set it up in their Windows.
>
>I've already happily forgotten what it took to get my ConTeXt combinations
>to work (WinEdT behaved differently in NT and XP...) and that annoys me,
>but I'll probably have to repeat the fight with my new laptop (when I get
>as far as to buying it) and then I'll make notes which I can always expand
>afterwards. This could at least make a start...
>
>
>3) "ConTeXt for Windows Dummies"
>
>It is more and more common for people to have achieved all their computing
>skills by using an OS with a graphical user interface. They have a
>different way of thinking and thus need a different kind of introductions.
>These people are used to clicking buttons, not giving command line
>commands. And, what's worse, they are used to WYSIWYG editors, the whole
>concept of NOT directly seeing how things will turn out is strange to
>them. (I used to be a basic-level computing teacher, that's why I *know*.)
>
>Unfortunately, the most common text editing/processing systems in Windows
>and Mac do not encourage much writing structured documents (although WP is
>a bit better at that than Word and all have the *facilities*), so that
>idea must be "sold" to their users somehow. The bigger documents the user
>has tried to write with Word or similar, the more likely he/she is to
>understand the advantages of the TeX bases systems. :-)
>
>
>
>It is fairly obvius (at least to myself) that I don't have time to do all
>of this now or in the near future, but there are things I could help with.
>
>The number 3 on my list is something I will have to do anyway, because
>sooner or later a "Windows dummy" will want to translate a manual into
>some other language and I will have to explain, why the file looks like it
>does and why we chose this difficult way of doing things etc. etc. I'm
>hoping to write this thing within the next three months, but if not, it
>will have to be ready by the end of the year. When I have the first draft,
>I'd be glad if somebody would comment it, preferably somebody, who has
>experience of Windows users somehow.
>
>If somebody else starts the cookbook, i.e. finds a space for it and such,
>I'll gladly contribute and also proof-read and/or edit. I'll warn you, I'm
>not a native English speaker, but I'll at least spot most typos and some
>of the odd formulations and I'm used to writing instructions for other
>people, which may help.
>
>The "ConTeXt for Windows How-To" I could probably start after next time
>I've manage to install a working combination on any of my computers (i.e.
>within couple of months). I'll probably need other people after that to
>help me "put flesh on it" and at some point somebody could be a guinea
>pig, but I guess that if I put the list on the web, somebody will use it
>and tell me when things don't work...
>
>
>
>That was my five eurocents,
>
>mari
>Mari.Voipio@iki.fi
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