From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/9808 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: About itemize Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:33:40 +0100 Sender: ntg-context-admin@ref.ntg.nl Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20021112002309.031bcd80@remote-1> References: <200211111314.39547.ishamid@attbi.com> <200211111314.39547.ishamid@attbi.com> Reply-To: ntg-context@ref.ntg.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037057755 15152 80.91.224.249 (11 Nov 2002 23:35:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from ref.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.13] helo=ref.ntg.nl) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BO5x-0003wD-00 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:35:53 +0100 Original-Received: from ref.ntg.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4563710B14; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:37:32 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from amsfep12-int.chello.nl (amsfep12-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.18]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EB310B0C for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:36:07 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from LAPTOP-3.wxs.nl ([62.194.246.85]) by amsfep12-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20021111233607.TCMB1261.amsfep12-int.chello.nl@LAPTOP-3.wxs.nl> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:36:07 +0100 X-Sender: hagen-mail@remote-1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Original-To: ntg-context@ref.vet.uu.nl In-Reply-To: <17719242809.20021111223129@iol.it> Errors-To: ntg-context-admin@ref.ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ref.ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:9808 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:9808 At 10:31 PM 11/11/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Monday, November 11, 2002 Idris S Hamid wrote: > >ISH> Dear posse, > >ISH> The itemize environment has a strange feature/bug: > >(This should answer your "quotation" question too, at least >partly) > >All "blocks" have this bug; IIRC it comes from Hans preference of >spacey "readable" sources; this means all \par tokens after a >\stop are globbed, and (IIRC) a new paragraph is always started: >thus the indentnext option *always* take place. IOW, you cannot >have one of these blocks *within* a paragraph. > >Hans, am I right? > >Well, if I am, this is absolutely wrong. Presence or absence of >\pars before and after should not be ignored, or at least should >be made an option. My workaround for now is to use \nulls after >\stop... commands, but this is somewhat clunky. first of all, we're not dealing with a bug, it's a feature; so, if some other behavior is wanted, it should be an option of extension to existing mechanisms, nog a replacement. there is one thing we should keep in mind: naive users are not always aware of tex's empty line == par, so this is why \start/\stop things are consistent in absense or presense of them; distinguishing between display and semi-display is therefore not that trivial, and the best option is separate environments, like \startquotation ... \stopquotation (or \startdquotation ... \stopdquotation for display quotation) versus \startpquotation ... \stoppquotation for an in-paragraph one (like we have with formulas, see core-mat.tex) that way, one knows what to expect, since it's clear from the coding, and not from a (forgotten, or accidental) empty line another option is to have a dedidated environment \startinparagraph ... \stopinparagraph or \startcontinue ... \stopcontinue which nills the surrounding whitespace and inhibits the next indent. (this should be not that hard to implement) Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------