From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/9988 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re[5]: In-paragraph display Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:46:31 +0100 Sender: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20021203113956.03313b40@server-1> References: <13EC3A06-065D-11D7-B956-0030657A7050@fastmail.fm> <13EC3A06-065D-11D7-B956-0030657A7050@fastmail.fm> Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1038912629 18273 80.91.224.249 (3 Dec 2002 10:50:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from ref.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.13] helo=ref.ntg.nl) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18JAdF-0004kU-00 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:50:25 +0100 Original-Received: from ref.ntg.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0387F10AEF; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:52:44 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from mail.solcon.nl (mail.solcon.nl [212.45.33.11]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8A110AE8 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:51:57 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from server-1.pragma-ade.nl (wc-58016.solcon.nl [212.45.58.16]) by mail.solcon.nl (8.12.5/pre1.0-MySQL/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB3Bj5Pf000481 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:45:06 +0100 Original-Received: from LAPTOP-3.wxs.nl (laptop-3 [10.100.1.191]) by server-1.pragma-ade.nl (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB3Apsgk009837 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:51:54 +0100 X-Sender: hagen-mail@server-1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl In-Reply-To: <741344773.20021203102556@iol.it> X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020919) (mail.solcon.nl) Errors-To: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:9988 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:9988 At 10:25 AM 12/3/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Tuesday, December 3, 2002 Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > >> This is where we differ. After all, the empty line is the > >> *standard* TeX (and ConTeXt) way to denote new paragraph. While > >> should it be different for displayed items? It's inconsistent. > >BDA> For what it's worth, I agree with Giuseppe here. It's the same issue >BDA> I had with block quotes: that even if there's no blank line, ConTeXt >BDA> assumes new paragraph. > >The blockquote example is a very good example, IMO: an >"indipendent" (new paragraphed) block quote/quotation/whatever is >not "conceptually" different from a "displayed" (that doesn't >start a new paragraph) block quote/quotation/whatever. So there >should be no need to mark it up differently (as is required by the >ConTeXt assumption on paragrah breaking). wait till you enter the area of typesetting a bit more complex docs (in terms of typo); then you really want to be able to make the difference; in that case, the way an author want it typeset is not the same as the designers view; it's not a far way from letting the author determine if something should be bold/slanted/whatever instead of coding in terms of emphasized/important/interesting, or, what we occasionally see, bolder and bigger subsubsection heads than sectionheads -) now, say that there will be: (1) quotation (2) blockquotation with (1) forcing a new par (2) behaving the way you want and both can be set up as usual to act differently, that would solve the problem, wouldn't it, since you could either setup up quotation differently or use blockquotation. (i'm not going to change the quotation defaults, simply because it would break compatibility) Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------