Re: Swedish in lang-ger.tex

Re: Swedish in lang-ger.tex

[Hans Hagen]

At 08:57 PM 12/4/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Hans,
>
>Some weeks ago, before I found this discussion forum, I sent you a mail about
>Swedish conventions in ConTeXt. Simce I see that no changes have been made
>in "lang-ger.tex" I repeat my comments here:

actually, i did change it a while ago; but it probably went unnoticed 
because the beta link was wrong

http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/beta/cont-tmf.zip

>As you can see "leftquote", "leftquotation" and "datum" ought to be changed.
>Also, in the Swedish language the symbol represented by "---" doesn't exist;
>we only use "-" and "--". So I guess "leftsentence", "rightsentence", etc.
>should be changed too.

think so, what should we do?

Hans
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Re: Swedish in lang-ger.tex

[Gilles Pérez-Lambert]

Hello,

Le 5 déc. 2002 à 21 h 52 (+0100, CET), Stefan Karlsson a dit :
> Well, in the generated text is should be "--" with a space before and 
> after. In
> my _opinion_ the spaces should be unbreakable.

But this would make TeX life impossible. In French, too, some thinks 
spaces before and after ``---'' should be unbreakble but it is not 
possible (and in French typography ``---'' floats freely).

Gilles.

Re: Swedish in lang-ger.tex

[Stefan Karlsson]

On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Hans Hagen wrote:

> >Some weeks ago, before I found this discussion forum, I sent you a mail about
> >Swedish conventions in ConTeXt. Simce I see that no changes have been made
> >in "lang-ger.tex" I repeat my comments here:
> 
> actually, i did change it a while ago; but it probably went unnoticed 
> because the beta link was wrong

> http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/beta/cont-tmf.zip

Now it looks ok.

> >As you can see "leftquote", "leftquotation" and "datum" ought to be changed.
> >Also, in the Swedish language the symbol represented by "---" doesn't exist;
> >we only use "-" and "--". So I guess "leftsentence", "rightsentence", etc.
> >should be changed too.
> 
> think so, what should we do?
> 

Well, in the generated text is should be "--" with a space before and after. In
my _opinion_ the spaces should be unbreakable.

/Stefan

Re: Swedish in lang-ger.tex

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:50 PM 12/5/2002 +0100, Gilles Pérez-Lambert wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Le 5 déc. 2002 à 21 h 52 (+0100, CET), Stefan Karlsson a dit :
> > Well, in the generated text is should be "--" with a space before and
> > after. In
> > my _opinion_ the spaces should be unbreakable.
>
>But this would make TeX life impossible. In French, too, some thinks
>spaces before and after ``---'' should be unbreakble but it is not
>possible (and in French typography ``---'' floats freely).

a reasonable alternative is:

text --<nonbreakable space>hyphenatable text<nonbreakable space>-- text

[when you use |<|.....|>| you get that behavior, and also handling of 
nested ones]

Hans

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Re: Swedish in lang-ger.tex

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:52 PM 12/5/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>Well, in the generated text is should be "--" with a space before and 
>after. In
>my _opinion_ the spaces should be unbreakable.

i changed the --- into the german --'s

Hans

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Swedish in lang-ger.tex

[Stefan Karlsson]

Hi Hans,

Some weeks ago, before I found this discussion forum, I sent you a mail about
Swedish conventions in ConTeXt. Simce I see that no changes have been made
in "lang-ger.tex" I repeat my comments here:

\installlanguage
  [\s!sv]
  [\c!spatiering=\v!opelkaar,
   \c!leftsentence=---,
   \c!rightsentence=---,
   \c!leftsubsentence=---,
   \c!rightsubsentence=---,
   
%  \c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
   \c!leftquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
   
   \c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
   
%  \c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
   \c!leftquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
   
   \c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
   
%  \c!datum={\v!jaar,\ ,\v!maand,\ ,\v!dag},
   \c!datum={\v!dag,\ ,\v!maand,\ ,\v!jaar},
   
   \c!status=\v!stop]
   
As you can see "leftquote", "leftquotation" and "datum" ought to be changed.
Also, in the Swedish language the symbol represented by "---" doesn't exist;
we only use "-" and "--". So I guess "leftsentence", "rightsentence", etc.
should be changed too.


Regards

/Stefan Karlsson