more on typescripts (and optical sizes)

more on typescripts (and optical sizes)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

I am slowly making progress on this font installation (well, it works 
with LaTeX, not yet with ConTeXt).  However, could I do something like 
this with a ConTeXt typescript?

\DeclareFontShape{T1}{minion}{m}{n}{
     <-6>  MinionPro-SemiboldCapt-8t
    <6-9>  MinionPro-Capt-8t
    <9-12> MinionPro-Regular-8t
   <12-15> MinionPro-Subh-8t
   <15->   MinionPro-Disp-8t}{\romanprotruding}

This is from the LaTeX fd file, and what is useful is that it 
automatically switches optical size (caption, regular, subhead, and 
display) based on the size of the font.

Bruce

Re: more on typescripts (and optical sizes)

[Hans Hagen]

At 01:13 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>I am slowly making progress on this font installation (well, it works with 
>LaTeX, not yet with ConTeXt).  However, could I do something like this 
>with a ConTeXt typescript?
>
>\DeclareFontShape{T1}{minion}{m}{n}{
>     <-6>  MinionPro-SemiboldCapt-8t
>    <6-9>  MinionPro-Capt-8t
>    <9-12> MinionPro-Regular-8t
>   <12-15> MinionPro-Subh-8t
>   <15->   MinionPro-Disp-8t}{\romanprotruding}
>
>This is from the LaTeX fd file, and what is useful is that it 
>automatically switches optical size (caption, regular, subhead, and 
>display) based on the size of the font.

Not that complicated to implement, but then let's first clarify specs and 
make sure everything we want is covered

Hans

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Re: more on typescripts (and optical sizes)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

>> This is from the LaTeX fd file, and what is useful is that it 
>> automatically switches optical size (caption, regular, subhead, and 
>> display) based on the size of the font.
>
> Not that complicated to implement, but then let's first clarify specs 
> and make sure everything we want is covered

I'm not following you Hans.  It *seems* you're saying this kind of 
thing isn't currently supported, but is easy to add.  Right?

If yes, who will "clarify specs..."?  You?  that's fine, of course, I'm 
just a little unclear....

Bruce

Re: more on typescripts (and optical sizes)

[Hans Hagen]

At 04:38 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>>>This is from the LaTeX fd file, and what is useful is that it 
>>>automatically switches optical size (caption, regular, subhead, and 
>>>display) based on the size of the font.
>>
>>Not that complicated to implement, but then let's first clarify specs and 
>>make sure everything we want is covered
>
>I'm not following you Hans.  It *seems* you're saying this kind of thing 
>isn't currently supported, but is easy to add.  Right?

right

>If yes, who will "clarify specs..."?  You?  that's fine, of course, I'm 
>just a little unclear....

no, you will clarify the specs -)


Hans
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Re: more on typescripts (and optical sizes)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 04:55 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

>
>> If yes, who will "clarify specs..."?  You?  that's fine, of course, 
>> I'm just a little unclear....
>
> no, you will clarify the specs -)

OK, so what do you want to know?  In this context (no pun intended), I 
want to be able to specify different fonts based on their size range.  
What else do you need to know?

BTW, this kind of thing will be useful as opentype support makes it to 
TeX (in my case, I converted to type 1).  Most of the Adobe OpenType 
Pro text fonts have optical sizing (as did the equivalent MM fonts), 
and it'd be nice to simply define a typescript like minionpro-osf and 
have optical-size switching handled without further hassle from the 
user.

What I originally had in mind would require me to define 16 separate 
typescripts just for this Minion installation: four each along the 
regular/SC/OSF/SCOSF axis, and four each along the optical axis.  With 
this feature, I'd just need four.  This would also make the document 
styles themselves easier to manage.

Bruce

Re: more on typescripts (and optical sizes)

[Adam Lindsay]

Hans,

Because I'm just starting to come to grips with parts of the font
mechanism, how is this different from the mechanisms within type-siz.tex?
Is it that there is one more degree of freedom that the type-siz doesn't map?

adam


I believe Bruce D'Arcus said this around Mon, 3 Feb 2003:

>
>On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 04:55 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>>
>>> If yes, who will "clarify specs..."?  You?  that's fine, of course, 
>>> I'm just a little unclear....
>>
>> no, you will clarify the specs -)
>
>OK, so what do you want to know?  In this context (no pun intended), I 
>want to be able to specify different fonts based on their size range.  
>What else do you need to know?
>
>BTW, this kind of thing will be useful as opentype support makes it to 
>TeX (in my case, I converted to type 1).  Most of the Adobe OpenType 
>Pro text fonts have optical sizing (as did the equivalent MM fonts), 
>and it'd be nice to simply define a typescript like minionpro-osf and 
>have optical-size switching handled without further hassle from the 
>user.
>
>What I originally had in mind would require me to define 16 separate 
>typescripts just for this Minion installation: four each along the 
>regular/SC/OSF/SCOSF axis, and four each along the optical axis.  With 
>this feature, I'd just need four.  This would also make the document 
>styles themselves easier to manage.
>
>Bruce
>
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Re: more on typescripts (and optical sizes)

[Hans Hagen]

At 11:46 PM 2/3/2003 +0000, Adam Lindsay wrote:
>Hans,
>
>Because I'm just starting to come to grips with parts of the font
>mechanism, how is this different from the mechanisms within type-siz.tex?
>Is it that there is one more degree of freedom that the type-siz doesn't map?

sure, take a look into font-ini and search for getglyph (see symb files for 
how they are used), or look into the unicode or chinese stuff; there are 
all kind of automatisms that scale nicely

Hans
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