Re: to keep you busy ...

Re: to keep you busy ...

[Bruce D'Arcus]

Am sending this to the list Hans, because I have some bizarre bug in my 
mail app or system that doesn't allow me to send message to you 
directly.  I have no idea what is going on , but you're literally the 
only person this happens to!

On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 06:21  PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

>
> this is not fixed, finished, just for you to play with

Thanks!  But...now what?

Let's take my earlier LaTeX example:

\DeclareFontShape{T1}{minion}{m}{n}{
     <-6>  MinionPro-SemiboldCapt-8t
    <6-9>  MinionPro-Capt-8t
    <9-12> MinionPro-Regular-8t
   <12-15> MinionPro-Subh-8t
   <15->   MinionPro-Disp-8t}{\romanprotruding}

And the typescript as it currently stands:

\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro] [texnansi]

   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Bold]        [MinionPro-Bold-8y] 
[encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldItalic] 
[MinionPro-BoldIt-8y][encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldSlanted] 
[MinionPro-BoldIt-8y][encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Caps]      [MinionPro-Regular-SC-8y] 
[encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldCaps]      [MinionPro-Bold-SC-8y] 
[encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Regular]        [MinionPro-Regular-8y] 
[encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-RegularItalic] 
[MinionPro-It-8y][encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-RegularSlanted] 
[MinionPro-It-8y][encoding=texnansi]

\stoptypescript

So what do I add to the above so that, for example, MinionPro-Capt-8y 
is used as the roman default at font sizes between 6 and 9 pt, 
MinionPro-Regular-8y between 9 and 12, etc.?

Remember: I'm not a programmer, and I still get confused by the font 
mechanism that is already there ;-)

Bruce

Re: Re: to keep you busy ...

[Hans Hagen]

At 07:28 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:

Thanks!  But...now what?

>Let's take my earlier LaTeX example:
>
>\DeclareFontShape{T1}{minion}{m}{n}{
>     <-6>  MinionPro-SemiboldCapt-8t
>    <6-9>  MinionPro-Capt-8t
>    <9-12> MinionPro-Regular-8t
>   <12-15> MinionPro-Subh-8t
>   <15->   MinionPro-Disp-8t}{\romanprotruding}
>
>And the typescript as it currently stands:
>
>\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro] [texnansi]
>
>   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Bold]        [MinionPro-Bold-8y] 
> [encoding=texnansi]
>   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldItalic] 
> [MinionPro-BoldIt-8y][encoding=texnansi]
>   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldSlanted] 
> [MinionPro-BoldIt-8y][encoding=texnansi]
>   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Caps]      [MinionPro-Regular-SC-8y] 
> [encoding=texnansi]
>   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldCaps]      [MinionPro-Bold-SC-8y] 
> [encoding=texnansi]
>   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Regular]        [MinionPro-Regular-8y] 
> [encoding=texnansi]
>   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-RegularItalic] 
> [MinionPro-It-8y][encoding=texnansi]
>   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-RegularSlanted] 
> [MinionPro-It-8y][encoding=texnansi]
>
>\stoptypescript
>
>So what do I add to the above so that, for example, MinionPro-Capt-8y is 
>used as the roman default at font sizes between 6 and 9 pt, 
>MinionPro-Regular-8y between 9 and 12, etc.?

\definefontsynonym
   [AutoSerif]
   [\fontrange
      {MinionPro-Caps    <10pt
       MinionPro-Regular <12pt
       MinionPro-Disp    <15pt
       MinionPro-Something}]

and then

   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Caps][MinionPro-regular-SC-8y][encoding=texnansi]

with for instance

   \definefont[BigTitleFont][AutoSerif sa 2]

and alike; it all depends on how you want to use it


>Remember: I'm not a programmer, and I still get confused by the font 
>mechanism that is already there ;-)

i'm no programmer either (educational technology, long ago -)

Hans
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Re: Re: to keep you busy ...

[Bruce D'Arcus]

Thanks!  See below...

On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 07:35  AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> \definefontsynonym
>   [AutoSerif]
>   [\fontrange
>      {MinionPro-Caps    <10pt
>       MinionPro-Regular <12pt
>       MinionPro-Disp    <15pt
>       MinionPro-Something}]
>
> and then
>
>    
> \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Caps][MinionPro-regular-SC- 
> 8y][encoding=texnansi]
>
> with for instance
>
>   \definefont[BigTitleFont][AutoSerif sa 2]
>
> and alike; it all depends on how you want to use it

Let's just say I only want to specify a single command that says "use  
minionpro-osf." This command would then automatically apply the regular  
font to the body text, the caption to the footnotes, and the display  
(which you've given the synonym BigTitleFont) for, well, the title.

That'll work here?  Just want to make sure, as I sometimes get really  
lost when I start trying to do this kind of thing with ConTeXt :-)

Bruce

Re: Re: to keep you busy ...

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:08 AM 2/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Let's just say I only want to specify a single command that says "use
>minionpro-osf." This command would then automatically apply the regular
>font to the body text, the caption to the footnotes, and the display
>(which you've given the synonym BigTitleFont) for, well, the title.
>
>That'll work here?  Just want to make sure, as I sometimes get really
>lost when I start trying to do this kind of thing with ConTeXt :-)

that depends on how you've set up footnotes and alike; as long as 
bodyfontswitches are used, it should work since this method looks at the 
current bodyfontsize

Hans
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typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

Before I deal with the auto-sizing thing, I need to just get this font 
to work, and no matter what I do I can't seem to do that!

Note: there is no problem on the TeX end, as this font works fine with 
LaTeX.  Any help greatly appreciated. I have put everything in a single 
file for now, so that I don't have to worry about problems elsewhere 
(say with loading an environment or typescript file).

Bruce

============


\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro] [name]

   \definefontsynonym [Serif]               [MinionPro-Regular]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifCaps]           [MinionPro-Caps]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifCaps]           [MinionPro-BoldCaps]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifSlanted]        [MinionPro-RegularItalic]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic]         [MinionPro-RegularItalic]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]           [MinionPro-Bold]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldSlanted]    [MinionPro-BoldItalic]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic]     [MinionPro-BoldItalic]

\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro-osf] [texnansi]

   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Bold]        [MinionPro-Bold-OSF-8y] 
[encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldItalic] 
[MinionPro-BoldIt-OSF-8y][encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldSlanted] 
[MinionPro-BoldIt-OSF-8y][encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Caps]      [MinionPro-Regular-OSFSC-8y] 
[encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldCaps]      [MinionPro-Bold-OSFSC-8y] 
[encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Regular]        
[MinionPro-Regular-OSF-8y] [encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-RegularItalic] 
[MinionPro-It-OSF-8y][encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-RegularSlanted] 
[MinionPro-It-OSF-8y][encoding=texnansi]

\stoptypescript

\definetypeface [maintext] [rm] [serif] [minionpro-osf]
   [default] [encoding=texnansi]
\definetypeface [maintext] [ss] [sans]  [gillsans]
   [default] [encoding=texnansi]
\definetypeface [maintext] [tt] [mono]  [computer-modern]
   [default] [encoding=default,rscale=1.1]
\definetypeface [maintext] [mm] [math]  [times]
   [default] [encoding=default,rscale=1.1]

\setupbodyfont[maintext,rm,10pt]

\starttext

\title{A Title}

\section{A Section Heading}

Here is some text, 1234567890...

{\sc Small Caps}

\stoptext

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Jens-Uwe Morawski]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:12:35 -0500
"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> 
> Before I deal with the auto-sizing thing, I need to just get this font 
> to work, and no matter what I do I can't seem to do that!
> 
> Note: there is no problem on the TeX end, as this font works fine with 
> LaTeX.  Any help greatly appreciated. I have put everything in a single 
> file for now, so that I don't have to worry about problems elsewhere 
> (say with loading an environment or typescript file).


If i read my log-files correctly then each \definetypeface queries
all typescripts completely for matching entries. Therefore, afaik,
the typescripts have be in their own file.
\usetypescriptfile makes this file known to ConTeXt.

Jens

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 04:00 PM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:

> If i read my log-files correctly then each \definetypeface queries
> all typescripts completely for matching entries. Therefore, afaik,
> the typescripts have be in their own file.
> \usetypescriptfile makes this file known to ConTeXt.

Hmm...which puts me back where I started: with a separate typescript 
file that doesn't work.

I haven't the least clue why this isn't working, as a few people 
(including you) gave feedback on the earlier files I sent, and I 
corrected the minor problems.  Still no luck.

Bruce

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Jens-Uwe Morawski]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:13:23 -0500
"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> 
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 04:00 PM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:
> 
> > If i read my log-files correctly then each \definetypeface queries
> > all typescripts completely for matching entries. Therefore, afaik,
> > the typescripts have be in their own file.
> > \usetypescriptfile makes this file known to ConTeXt.
> 
> Hmm...which puts me back where I started: with a separate typescript 
> file that doesn't work.

What means "doesn't work"? Can you run the example from your previous
mail (with a seperate type-script file) and send the log here

Jens

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 08:55  PM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:

> Can you run the example from your previous
> mail (with a seperate type-script file) and send the log here

Here it is.  Thanks in advance!

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Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Jens-Uwe Morawski]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:40:18 -0500
"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> 
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 08:55  PM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:
> 
> > Can you run the example from your previous
> > mail (with a seperate type-script file) and send the log here
> 

> typescript     : [serif] [minionpro-osf] [name,default,texnansi,special]
> (/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
> (/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
> (/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
> (/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
> (/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
> (/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)

Here your type-script is not loaded. For example, if you have your
type-script (i assume its name is type-minion.tex) located in
/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf-local/tex/context/user/type-minion.tex
then should be here (and for each other typescript-message) an
log entry like:
(/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf-local/tex/context/user/type-minion.tex)

Thus, check if your type-script can be found; run
kpsewhich <your-typescript-file-name>
in your document-directory for example:
kpsewhich type-minion.tex

and check for misspellings, since ConTeXt gives no error message
if you declare a typescript-file via
\usetypescriptfile[type-minionn]
but its name is type-minion.tex

BTW, Hans, can you add a log-warning for unknown typescript files.

> typescript     : [serif] [default] [size]
> (/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
> [...]

Best,
  Jens

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

Thanks Jens.  I still don't see anything obvious though (see below)....

On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 07:58  AM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:

> Thus, check if your type-script can be found; run
> kpsewhich <your-typescript-file-name>
> in your document-directory for example:
> kpsewhich type-minion.tex
>
> and check for misspellings, since ConTeXt gives no error message
> if you declare a typescript-file via
> \usetypescriptfile[type-minionn]
> but its name is type-minion.tex

Here's what I get:

bdarcus% kpsewhich type-OpenTypePro.tex
/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/user/type-OpenTypePro.tex

And this is copied from my environment file:

\usetypescriptfile[type-OpenTypePro]

No typos, soo...???



Here's the document source, BTW:

\environment minionpro-osf.tex

\starttext

\title{A Title}

\section{A Section Heading}

Here is some text, 1234567890...

\stoptext

Bruce

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Wanna bet that context is looking for type-Ope.tex ?


On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:53:13 -0500, Bruce wrote:

> 
> Thanks Jens.  I still don't see anything obvious though (see below)....
> 
> On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 07:58  AM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:
> 
> > Thus, check if your type-script can be found; run
> > kpsewhich <your-typescript-file-name>
> > in your document-directory for example:
> > kpsewhich type-minion.tex
> >
> > and check for misspellings, since ConTeXt gives no error message
> > if you declare a typescript-file via
> > \usetypescriptfile[type-minionn]
> > but its name is type-minion.tex
> 
> Here's what I get:
> 
> bdarcus% kpsewhich type-OpenTypePro.tex
> /Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/user/type-OpenTypePro.tex
> 
> And this is copied from my environment file:
> 
> \usetypescriptfile[type-OpenTypePro]
> 
> No typos, soo...???
> 
> 
> 
> Here's the document source, BTW:
> 
> \environment minionpro-osf.tex
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \title{A Title}
> 
> \section{A Section Heading}
> 
> Here is some text, 1234567890...
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> Bruce
> 
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Taco

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 09:58  AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> Wanna bet that context is looking for type-Ope.tex ?

I hadn't thought about that one!  But changing the typescriptfile name 
to type-OTP.tex also has no effect.

Bruce

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:53 AM 2/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Thanks Jens.  I still don't see anything obvious though (see below)....
>
>On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 07:58  AM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:
>
>>Thus, check if your type-script can be found; run
>>kpsewhich <your-typescript-file-name>
>>in your document-directory for example:
>>kpsewhich type-minion.tex
>>
>>and check for misspellings, since ConTeXt gives no error message
>>if you declare a typescript-file via
>>\usetypescriptfile[type-minionn]
>>but its name is type-minion.tex
>
>Here's what I get:
>
>bdarcus% kpsewhich type-OpenTypePro.tex
>/Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/user/type-OpenTypePro.tex
>
>And this is copied from my environment file:
>
>\usetypescriptfile[type-OpenTypePro]
>
>No typos, soo...???

is this a case sensitive problem?

i'm upgrading the file search mechsnism (faster, optional tracing), so some 
day soon it will be easier to track this down

Hans
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Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Jens-Uwe Morawski]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:53:13 -0500
"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> 
> Thanks Jens.  I still don't see anything obvious though (see below)....
> 
> On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 07:58  AM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:
> 
> > Thus, check if your type-script can be found; run
> > kpsewhich <your-typescript-file-name>
> > in your document-directory for example:
> > kpsewhich type-minion.tex
> >
> > and check for misspellings, since ConTeXt gives no error message
> > if you declare a typescript-file via
> > \usetypescriptfile[type-minionn]
> > but its name is type-minion.tex
> 
> Here's what I get:
> 
> bdarcus% kpsewhich type-OpenTypePro.tex
> /Users/bdarcus/Library/texmf/tex/context/user/type-OpenTypePro.tex
> 
> And this is copied from my environment file:
> 
> \usetypescriptfile[type-OpenTypePro]
> 
> No typos, soo...???
> 
> 
> 
> Here's the document source, BTW:
> 
> \environment minionpro-osf.tex

Please, step by step! Thus, try it first without an environment-file.
In your TeX-file load the typescript using \usetypescriptfile, make
your \definetypeface definitions there (the definition for rm/serif
should be enough), setup your body-font and let us see what happens.

Jens  

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 11:53  AM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:

> Thus, try it first without an environment-file.
> In your TeX-file load the typescript using \usetypescriptfile, make
> your \definetypeface definitions there (the definition for rm/serif
> should be enough), setup your body-font and let us see what happens.

Here's the file, which doesn't work either:

\usetypescriptfile[type-OTP]

\definetypeface [maintext] [rm] [serif] [minionpro-osf][default] 
[encoding=texnansi]
\definetypeface [maintext] [ss] [sans] [gillsans] [default] 
[encoding=texnansi]

\setupbodyfont[maintext,rm,serif,10pt]

\starttext

\title{A Title}

\section{A Section Heading}

Here is some text, 1234567890...

{\sc Q Small Caps}

\stoptext

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Jens-Uwe Morawski]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:25:05 -0500
"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> 
> On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 11:53  AM, Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:
> 
> > Thus, try it first without an environment-file.
> > In your TeX-file load the typescript using \usetypescriptfile, make
> > your \definetypeface definitions there (the definition for rm/serif
> > should be enough), setup your body-font and let us see what happens.
> 
> Here's the file, which doesn't work either:

i'm puzzled. AFAIK, MacOS X (it seems that you work with this system)
has internally a not case-sensitive file-system. Maybe, this confuses
the kpathsee library.

 
> \usetypescriptfile[type-OTP]
> 
> \definetypeface [maintext] [rm] [serif] [minionpro-osf][default] 
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definetypeface [maintext] [ss] [sans] [gillsans] [default] 
> [encoding=texnansi]
> 
> \setupbodyfont[maintext,rm,serif,10pt]


 \setupbodyfont[maintext,rm,10pt] should be enough

Jens

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Hans Hagen]

At 01:12 PM 2/5/2003 -0500, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:

>Before I deal with the auto-sizing thing, I need to just get this font to 
>work, and no matter what I do I can't seem to do that!
>
>Note: there is no problem on the TeX end, as this font works fine with 
>LaTeX.  Any help greatly appreciated. I have put everything in a single 
>file for now, so that I don't have to worry about problems elsewhere (say 
>with loading an environment or typescript file).
>
>Bruce
>
>============
>
>
>\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro] [name]
>
>\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro-osf] [texnansi]
>
>\definetypeface [maintext] [rm] [serif] [minionpro-osf]
>   [default] [encoding=texnansi]

i think that the first typescript should be minionpro-osf

I'll send you a version of type-ini with tracing (\tracetypescriptstrue) 
(no fun on your slow terminal)

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Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[mari.voipio]

The fight towards understanding the font mechanism continues...

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> ====================================
<clipclip>
> pdftex         : needs map file: original-context-symbol.map
> pdftex         : needs map file: pl0-ams-cmr.map
> pdftex         : needs map file: original-vogel-symbol.map
<clipclip>

WHAT in the compilation system says that these are to be loaded? Since I
turned on (i.e. uncommented) the /autoloadmapfilestrue setting in my
cont-sys.tex to make the fonts work, it seems that the three above
mentioned map files are loaded twice, first here in the very beginning and
then somewhere a bit later, so I get all these annoying warnings about
"Warning: pdfetex.exe (file
c:/TeXLive/texmf/pdftex/config/context/pl0-ams-cmr.map): entry for
`pltt9' already exists, duplicates ignored"

While this is less of a problem than not having the fonts at all, I'd like
to get rid of it, if possible...


Mari

Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Adam Lindsay]

mari.voipio@iki.fi said this at Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:46:46 +0200:

>"Warning: pdfetex.exe (file
>c:/TeXLive/texmf/pdftex/config/context/pl0-ams-cmr.map): entry for
>`pltt9' already exists, duplicates ignored"
>
>While this is less of a problem than not having the fonts at all, I'd like
>to get rid of it, if possible...

Very much agreed... these warning messages are what make my system (in a
certain configuration) slow down to a crawl.

adam


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Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Hans Hagen]

At 01:46 PM 2/7/2003 +0200, you wrote:

>The fight towards understanding the font mechanism continues...
>
>On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> > ====================================
><clipclip>
> > pdftex         : needs map file: original-context-symbol.map
> > pdftex         : needs map file: pl0-ams-cmr.map
> > pdftex         : needs map file: original-vogel-symbol.map
><clipclip>
>
>WHAT in the compilation system says that these are to be loaded? Since I
>turned on (i.e. uncommented) the /autoloadmapfilestrue setting in my
>cont-sys.tex to make the fonts work, it seems that the three above
>mentioned map files are loaded twice, first here in the very beginning and
>then somewhere a bit later, so I get 
>all 
>theseannoyingwarningsaboutWarningpdfetex.zl9filecTeXLivetexmfpdftexconfigcontextpl0-ams-cmr.mapentryfor`pltt9'alreadyexists,duplicatesignoredWhilethisislessofaproblemthannothavingthefontsatall,I'dliketogetridofit,if 
>possible...

i cannot peek into your system -)

you can of course turn off map loading and do it manually in the pdftex.cfg 
file (here i don't load anything in pdftex.cfg)

it's on thanh's todo list to let map files be loaded after the first page 
as well as let map file entries be overloaded (which would remove the 
warnings)

Hans


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Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

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On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:28:08 +0100, "Hans Hagen" <pragma@wxs.nl> said:

> i think that the first typescript should be minionpro-osf
> 
> I'll send you a version of type-ini with tracing (\tracetypescriptstrue) 
> (no fun on your slow terminal)

I've attached the log file.  Nothing seems wrong to me...

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Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Hans Hagen]

At 06:59 AM 2/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:13:03 +0100, "Hans Hagen" <pragma@wxs.nl> said:
>
> >
> > this means that it cannot find it on th elocal path but the file is found
> > elsewhere (there are some 5 strategies for locating files in context)
> >
> > can you send me the file + test file?
>
>Which "file"?  I'll assume the typescriptfile, etc...

your problem is related to a naming inconsistency:

you map serif's in a typescript called

   [minionpro]

but in defining the typeface use:

   [minionpro-osf]

so, either name the typescript -pro as well, or call it up using:

   [minionpro,minionpro-osf]

Seems that halefway defining you lost the -osf -)

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Re: typescripts again (was to keep you busy ...)

[Hans Hagen]

At 11:21 AM 2/8/2003 -0800, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>On Sat, 08 Feb 2003 17:22:03 +0100, "Hans Hagen" <pragma@wxs.nl> said:
> > At 06:59 AM 2/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:13:03 +0100, "Hans Hagen" <pragma@wxs.nl> said:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > this means that it cannot find it on th elocal path but the file is 
> found
> > > > elsewhere (there are some 5 strategies for locating files in context)
> > > >
> > > > can you send me the file + test file?
> > >
> > >Which "file"?  I'll assume the typescriptfile, etc...
> >
> > your problem is related to a naming inconsistency:
> >
> > you map serif's in a typescript called
> >
> >    [minionpro]
> >
> > but in defining the typeface use:
> >
> >    [minionpro-osf]
> >
> > so, either name the typescript -pro as well, or call it up using:
> >
> >    [minionpro,minionpro-osf]
> >
> > Seems that halefway defining you lost the -osf -)
>
>Well, this is just the start of the typescript.  What I want in the end
>is to have typescripts to call four different fonts: Minion, Minion-SC,
>Minion-OSF, and Minion-SCOSF.  So how do I deal with *that*?  As you can
>see, I don't quite understand some piece of this puzzle, though I'm not
>really sure which!

in that case, say things like

   [minionpro,minionpro-osf]

and another typeface

   [minionpro,minionpro-whow]

>Also, I just changed the name of the first typescript to add the -osf,
>ran the file, adn got this error:
>
>! Font \*maintext5ptrmbs*:=MinionPro-BoldIt-OSF-8y at 5.0pt not loaded:
>Not eno

this can be solved by enlarging the mem settings in texmf.cnf and 
regenerating the format

Hans

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memory problems

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 02:38  PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> Also, I just changed the name of the first typescript to add the -osf,
>> ran the file, and got this error:
>>
>> ! Font \*maintext5ptrmbs*:=MinionPro-BoldIt-OSF-8y at 5.0pt not 
>> loaded:
>> Not enough room left.
>
> this can be solved by enlarging the mem settings in texmf.cnf and 
> regenerating the format

With Hans' help, am making progress on the typescript, but am now 
getting a memory error.  Regarding suggestion to change the settings in 
texmf.cnf, here is what I currently have:

% Max number of characters in all strings, including all error messages,
% help texts, font names, control sequences.  These values apply to TeX 
and MP.
pool_size.context = 750000
pool_size = 500000		
% Minimum pool space after TeX/MP's own strings; must be at least
% 25000 less than pool_size, but doesn't need to be nearly that large.
string_vacancies.context = 45000
string_vacancies = 25000
% Maximum number of strings.
max_strings.context = 55000
max_strings = 35000
% min pool space left after loading .fmt
pool_free.context = 47500
pool_free = 25000

What should I change, and to what recommended value?

Bruce

Re: memory problems

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:47 AM 2/9/2003 -0500, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:

>On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 02:38  PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>Also, I just changed the name of the first typescript to add the -osf,
>>>ran the file, and got this error:
>>>
>>>! Font \*maintext5ptrmbs*:=MinionPro-BoldIt-OSF-8y at 5.0pt not loaded:
>>>Not enough room left.
>>
>>this can be solved by enlarging the mem settings in texmf.cnf and 
>>regenerating the format
>
>With Hans' help, am making progress on the typescript, but am now getting 
>a memory error.  Regarding suggestion to change the settings in texmf.cnf, 
>here is what I currently have:

the tex live values are normally ok, here i have:

>% Max number of characters in all strings, including all error messages,
>% help texts, font names, control sequences.  These values apply to TeX 
>and MP.
>pool_size.context = 750000
>pool_size = 500000
>% Minimum pool space after TeX/MP's own strings; must be at least
>% 25000 less than pool_size, but doesn't need to be nearly that large.
>string_vacancies.context = 45000
>string_vacancies = 25000
>% Maximum number of strings.
>max_strings.context = 55000
>max_strings = 35000
>% min pool space left after loading .fmt
>pool_free.context = 47500
>pool_free = 25000

buf_size.context         =  200000 % needed for omega bug
extra_mem_bot.context    = 2000000
extra_mem_top.context    = 2000000
font_max.context         =    2000
font_mem_size.context    = 1000000
hash_extra.context       =   50000
main_memory.context      = 1500000
max_strings.context      =  100000
nest_size.context        =     500
obj_tab_size.context     =  300000
dest_names_size          =  300000
param_size.context       =    5000
pool_free.context        =   47500
pool_size.context        = 1250000
save_size.context        =   50000
stack_size.context       =    5000
string_vacancies.context =   90000

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finally! (memory problems)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

Thanks for the help with this font stuff people!  It now works.  Beyond 
needing to change the memory settings, I was incorrectly specifying the 
osf font.  This works though:

\usetypescriptfile[type-otp.tex]

\definetypeface [maintext] [rm] [serif] 
[minionpro,minionpro-osf][default] [encoding=texnansi]
\definetypeface [maintext] [ss] [sans] [gillsans] [default] 
[encoding=texnansi]

\setupbodyfont[maintext,rm,10pt]

Now, to go back to the auto-size-switching thing, here's a variation on 
the suggestion by Hans:

\definefontsynonym
   [AutoSerif]
   [\fontrange
      {MinionPro-Capt    <10pt
       MinionPro-Regular <12pt
       MinionPro-Subh    <15pt
       MinionPro-Display ??? }]

(am not sure how to specify the last)

So exactly where do I put this in the typescriptfile, and how do I 
integrate it?  What I want to do is to be able to put, for example, 
MinionPro-BoldCapt-OSF-8y, into the "minionpro,minionpro-osf" 
typescript below, and each respective optical font into its respective 
typescript.  I'm not really understanding the logic of how this would 
work.

\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro] [name]

   \definefontsynonym [Serif]               [MinionPro-Regular]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifCaps]           [MinionPro-Caps]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifSlanted]        [MinionPro-RegularItalic]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic]         [MinionPro-RegularItalic]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]           [MinionPro-Bold]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldSlanted]    [MinionPro-BoldItalic]
   \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic]     [MinionPro-BoldItalic]

\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro,minionpro-osf] [texnansi]

   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Bold]        [MinionPro-Bold-OSF-8y] 
[encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldItalic] 
[MinionPro-BoldIt-OSF-8y][encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldSlanted] 
[MinionPro-BoldIt-OSF-8y][encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Caps]      [MinionPro-Regular-OSFSC-8y] 
[encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-BoldCaps]      [MinionPro-Bold-OSFSC-8y] 
[encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-Regular]        
[MinionPro-Regular-OSF-8y] [encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-RegularItalic] 
[MinionPro-It-OSF-8y][encoding=texnansi]
   \definefontsynonym[MinionPro-RegularSlanted] 
[MinionPro-It-OSF-8y][encoding=texnansi]

\stoptypescript

Bruce

Sectionseparator?

[Roef Ragas]

Goodevening all,

Suddenly this turns up, texexec-ing files that did ok until now, 
and when I continue I get a row of several : on top.
The strange thing is: there is no : in line 4
Does anybody now the answer to this little enigma?


?
) (./Factuur1.tuo
! Undefined control sequence.
l.4 \thisissectionseparator
                           {:}

Re: Sectionseparator?

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:05 PM 2/9/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Goodevening all,
>
>Suddenly this turns up, texexec-ing files that did ok until now,
>and when I continue I get a row of several : on top.
>The strange thing is: there is no : in line 4
>Does anybody now the answer to this little enigma?
>
>
>?
>) (./Factuur1.tuo
>! Undefined control sequence.
>l.4 \thisissectionseparator

looks like an old context running a newer tuo file; this directive was 
added when french active :'s were added (and as a result dynamic separators)

so

(1) check what context you run (maybe no new dutch/english format generated)
(2) remove the tuo

Hans


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Re: finally! (memory problems)

[Hans Hagen]

At 02:45 PM 2/9/2003 -0500, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:

>Thanks for the help with this font stuff people!  It now works.  Beyond 
>needing to change the memory settings, I was incorrectly specifying the 
>osf font.  This works though:
>
>\usetypescriptfile[type-otp.tex]
>
>\definetypeface [maintext] [rm] [serif] [minionpro,minionpro-osf][default] 
>[encoding=texnansi]
>\definetypeface [maintext] [ss] [sans] [gillsans] [default] 
>[encoding=texnansi]
>
>\setupbodyfont[maintext,rm,10pt]
>
>Now, to go back to the auto-size-switching thing, here's a variation on 
>the suggestion by Hans:
>
>\definefontsynonym
>   [AutoSerif]
>   [\fontrange
>      {MinionPro-Capt    <10pt
>       MinionPro-Regular <12pt
>       MinionPro-Subh    <15pt
>       MinionPro-Display ??? }]
>
>(am not sure how to specify the last)

no specification, just a name, it's the auto-fall back

>So exactly where do I put this in the typescriptfile, and how do I 
>integrate it?  What I want to do is to be able to put, for example, 
>MinionPro-BoldCapt-OSF-8y, into the "minionpro,minionpro-osf" typescript 
>below, and each respective optical font into its respective 
>typescript.  I'm not really understanding the logic of how this would work.
>
>\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro] [name]
>
>   \definefontsynonym [Serif]               [MinionPro-Regular]
>   \definefontsynonym [SerifCaps]           [MinionPro-Caps]
>   \definefontsynonym [SerifSlanted]        [MinionPro-RegularItalic]
>   \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic]         [MinionPro-RegularItalic]
>   \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]           [MinionPro-Bold]
>   \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldSlanted]    [MinionPro-BoldItalic]
>   \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic]     [MinionPro-BoldItalic]
>
>\stoptypescript

something

\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro-auto] [name]

   \definefontsynonym [Serif] [\fontrange{.....}]
    ....

\stoptypescript

Hans
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Re: finally! (memory problems)

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 05:06  PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

>> Now, to go back to the auto-size-switching thing, here's a variation 
>> on the suggestion by Hans:
>>
>> \definefontsynonym
>>   [AutoSerif]
>>   [\fontrange
>>      {MinionPro-Capt    <10pt
>>       MinionPro-Regular <12pt
>>       MinionPro-Subh    <15pt
>>       MinionPro-Display ??? }]
>>
>> (am not sure how to specify the last)
>
> no specification, just a name, it's the auto-fall back

But something like "<10pt" is saying, "if font size is less than 10pt, 
use MinionPro-Capt"; right?  So how do I deal with the Display size, 
which is for fonts greater than or equal to 15pt?

>> So exactly where do I put this in the typescriptfile, and how do I 
>> integrate it?  What I want to do is to be able to put, for example, 
>> MinionPro-BoldCapt-OSF-8y, into the "minionpro,minionpro-osf" 
>> typescript below, and each respective optical font into its 
>> respective typescript.  I'm not really understanding the logic of how 
>> this would work.
>
> something
>
> \starttypescript [serif] [minionpro-auto] [name]
>
>   \definefontsynonym [Serif] [\fontrange{.....}]
>    ....
>
> \stoptypescript

So in the example above, does that mean I need to have four separate 
lines for "Serif"?  Or to put differently, what is the {.....} in the 
[\fontrange{.....}] thing above?

\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro-auto] [name]
	\definefontsynonym [Serif] [\fontrange{MinionPro-Capt}]
	\definefontsynonym [Serif] [\fontrange{MinionPro-Regular}]
	\definefontsynonym [Serif] [\fontrange{MinionPro-Subh}]
	\definefontsynonym [Serif] [\fontrange{MinionPro-Display}]
	etc., etc.
\stoptypescript

And then in each other variant I specify (like "minionpro-osf"), I need?

\starttypescript [serif] [minionpro-auto,minionpro-auto-osf] [name]
	\definefontsynonym [\fontrange{MinionPro-Capt}] [MinionPro-Capt-OSF-8y]
	\definefontsynonym [\fontrange{MinionPro-Regular}] 
[MinionPro-Regular-OSF-8y]
	\definefontsynonym [\fontrange{MinionPro-Subh}] [MinionPro-Subh-OSF-8y]
	\definefontsynonym [\fontrange{MinionPro-Display}] 
[MinionPro-Display-OSF-8y]
	etc., etc.
\stoptypescript

Re: Sectionseparator?

[Roef Ragas]

Op zo 09-02-2003, om 21:37 schreef Hans Hagen:
> At 09:05 PM 2/9/2003 +0100, you wrote:
> >Goodevening all,
> >
> >Suddenly this turns up, texexec-ing files that did ok until now,
> >and when I continue I get a row of several : on top.
> >The strange thing is: there is no : in line 4
> >Does anybody now the answer to this little enigma?
> >
> >
> >?
> >) (./Factuur1.tuo
> >! Undefined control sequence.
> >l.4 \thisissectionseparator
> 
> looks like an old context running a newer tuo file; 


This indeed was the answer, thanks again


> this directive was 
> added when french active :'s were added (and as a result dynamic separators)
> 
> so
> 
> (1) check what context you run (maybe no new dutch/english format generated)
> (2) remove the tuo
> 
> Hans
> 
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Re: finally! (memory problems)

[Hans Hagen]

At 06:09 PM 2/9/2003 -0500, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:

>On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 05:06  PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>>>Now, to go back to the auto-size-switching thing, here's a variation on 
>>>the suggestion by Hans:
>>>
>>>\definefontsynonym
>>>   [AutoSerif]
>>>   [\fontrange
>>>      {MinionPro-Capt    <10pt
>>>       MinionPro-Regular <12pt
>>>       MinionPro-Subh    <15pt
>>>       MinionPro-Display ??? }]
>>>
>>>(am not sure how to specify the last)
>>
>>no specification, just a name, it's the auto-fall back
>
>But something like "<10pt" is saying, "if font size is less than 10pt, use 
>MinionPro-Capt"; right?  So how do I deal with the Display size, which is 
>for fonts greater than or equal to 15pt?

that will happen because that is the default (i.e. when no match is found)

Hans

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