Table problem

Table problem

[Willi Egger]

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Hi Hans,


I need to make a set of tables, which are quite simple. I wanted to use the
\starttable..\stoptable environment.

However I get very strange results in the last column (p-column)

Please have a look at the test.tex file.

Do I something in a wrong way or is there something broken?

Thanks for your support.

Willi

p.s. I am using the beta of 04.03.2003 with a format of 09-03-2003.

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\starttext

\section{Doel}

%\starttable[|rw(.05\textwidth)|lw(.3\textwidth)|pw(.65\textwidth)|]
\starttable[|rw(1cm)|lw(3cm)|pw(8cm)|]
\HL
%\VL\use2 Stap / Functie \VL Omschrijving activiteiten \VL\SR
%\HL
\VL 1
    \VL directeur
    \VL In de jaarlijkse management review (directiebeoordeling) het beleid
aangaande arbeidsomstandigheden toetsen aan: wetgeving, normen en
regelgeving externe (maatschappelijke) ontwikkelingen
\par
In de jaarlijkse management review (directiebeoordeling) het beleid
aangaande arbeidsomstandigheden toetsen aan: wetgeving, normen en
regelgeving externe (maatschappelijke) ontwikkelingen
\par
Deelnemers managementreview: \VL\FR
\HL
%\VL\use3 Opmerkingen \VL\LR
%\HL
\stoptable

\stoptext

Re: Table problem

[Patrick Gundlach]

"Willi Egger" <w.egger@boede.nl> writes:

Hello Willi,

> However I get very strange results in the last column (p-column)

my table/.../ knowledge is very limited, but why don't you just
specify  p(8cm) there? Don't know what you need but that looks right
to me. (Yesterdays ConTeXt version.)

Patrick

Re: Re: Table problem

[Willi Egger]

Hello Patrick,

> specify  p(8cm) there?

Thanks for the tip. I realize, that after |r| or |l| you need the w if you
want to specify a width of a column, but you should not use the w after |p|
when specifying a width. What happend with my setup is, that the two
coloumns with l and r where typeset as expected but the p column showed a
frame according to the w(8cm) but the text was typeset in a narrow column
centered within the frame of the column.

To me this way of coding a table lacks logic. - However it works now.

Willi

Re: Table problem

[Hans Hagen]

At 08:50 AM 3/10/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Hans,
>
>
>I need to make a set of tables, which are quite simple. I wanted to use the
>\starttable..\stoptable environment.
>
>However I get very strange results in the last column (p-column)
>
>Please have a look at the test.tex file.
>
>Do I something in a wrong way or is there something broken?

as patrick pointed out: use p(dimension)

\starttable[|rw(1cm)|lw(3cm)|p(8cm)|]

you had something wp(8cm) and the funny w spoils things (probably takes 
prev one)

Hans

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Re: Re: Table problem

[Hans Hagen]

At 07:38 PM 3/10/2003 +0100, you wrote:

>To me this way of coding a table lacks logic. - However it works now.

this is the original TaBlE's way of doing things

Hans

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TaBlE problem

[Nikolai Weibull]

This table is a bit messed up:

\starttext
\starttable[|r|c|c|]
\HL
\NC \bf State \VL\TWO{\bf Input Symbol}  \NC\AR
\DC           \DL[2]                     \DR
\NC           \VL 0     \VL 1            \NC\AR
\HL
\NC $s_0$     \VL $s_1$ \VL $s_0$        \NC\AR
\NC $s_1$     \VL $s_0$ \VL $s_1$        \NC\AR
\HL
\stoptable
\stoptext

Why aren't the columns for 0 and 1 of equal width?
Is there a better way than to set the template to [|r|c(3em)|c(3em)|]?
	nikolai

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Re: table problem

[Taco]

Hi Denis,

Your preamble spec. should be:

\starttable[|l|l|l|]

(pipe character is always needed, even if there is no rule)

On Thu, 23 May 2002 07:32:00 +0200 (MET DST)
"Denis B. Roegel" <Denis.Roegel@loria.fr> wrote:

> 
> The following file produces an error on \NC and \SR. Did I forget something?
>
> \starttable[lll]

table problem

[Denis B. Roegel]

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The following file produces an error on \NC and \SR. Did I forget something?

Thanks,

Denis

\enableregime[il1]
\useencoding[ffr]
\mainlanguage[fr]
\starttext

\starttable[lll]

\NC 00000         \NC {\tt O\_RDONLY}         \NC ouverture en lecture seule \NC\SR
\NC 00001         \NC {\tt O\_WRONLY}         \NC ouverture en écriture seule \NC\SR 
\NC 00002         \NC {\tt O\_RDWR}         \NC ouverture en lecture et écriture \NC\SR
\NC 00010         \NC {\tt O\_APPEND}         \NC ouverture en écriture à la fin du
fichier \NC\SR  
\NC 00400         \NC {\tt O\_CREAT}        \NC création du fichier s'il 
n'existe pas (seul cas d'utilisation de l'argument {\tt perm}) \NC\SR 
\NC 01000         \NC {\tt O\_TRUNC}        \NC troncature à la longueur zéro, si le
fichier existe \NC\SR  
\NC 02000         \NC {\tt O\_EXCL}         \NC provoque un échec si le fichier
existe déjà et si {\tt O\_CREAT} est positionné,
\stoptable
\stoptext

 ....

(/usr/local/tex/texmflocal/tex/context/base/enco-ffr.tex
system         : macros of module tryout loaded
(/usr/local/tex/texmflocal/tex/context/base/m-tryout.tex)
language       : language specific options [default-fr] seamless appended
)
systems        : begin file tab at line 4
! Undefined control sequence.
l.8 \NC
        00000         \NC {\tt O\_RDONLY}         \NC ouverture en lecture s...

Re: Table problem

[Tarik Kara]

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Eckhart, I totaly agree to your commment about support. 

Hans thanks for your solution to my table problem. Eckhart's and your
solution was very usefull for me.

Have fun,

Tar{\i}k

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Eckhart [iso-8859-1] Guthöhrlein wrote:

> I will have some free time left later this year...) But in any case, there 
> is of course no support problem with context, because you will always get 
> answers to any trivial and non-trivial questions from this list, mostly 
> even from the developers themselves - what could you ask more? (This is 
> meant to be a grateful compliment.)
> 
> Eckhart
> 
> 

Re: Table problem

[Hans Hagen]

>This is something like r@{,}l in LaTeX... At least it works. I put the 
>comma in the second column to get correct spacing. Maybe Hans or another 
>more experienced contexter knows a better solution to the alignment 

qQ for , alignment may be your friend 

\starttable{|q[00,000]|Q[00,00]|}
\HL
\VL (-1,2)   \VL (12,35) \VL\FR
\VL (11,203) \VL  (2,4)  \VL\LR
\HL
\stoptable

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Re: Table problem

[Hans Hagen]

>> I think tables are a topic where the context documentation (at least the 
>> english one) ought to be extended, especially for newcomers and 'converts' 
>> from latex. As soon as I am more experienced, and as soon as I have 
>> finished my current work (diploma thesis), I would be willing make 
>> contributions in this area (although the first precondition might take
some 
>> time...)

Actually the dutch manual has something about tables [which is quite
international] and the english chapter on tables is in my 'to do' bag that
i carry along -) So, some day ... 

Hans
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Re: Table problem

[Eckhart Guthöhrlein]

At 22:23 08.07.2001 +0300, Tarik Kara wrote:
>Eckhart, thanks for the solutions and the explanations. I wish more was
>translated to english. Also more documentation on math would be nice. But
>given all that Hans is doing I can't ask for more. Good luck with your
>thesis and thanks again.

Well, in case of tables I rather meant to say that some piece of 
integrating documentation is missing, comparing the different 
possibilities. I don't know how much more there is to translate, since 
unfortunately I don't speak Dutch. (Ironically, a few weeks ago, I would 
not have expected Dutch to be the next language I would like to know, maybe 
I will have some free time left later this year...) But in any case, there 
is of course no support problem with context, because you will always get 
answers to any trivial and non-trivial questions from this list, mostly 
even from the developers themselves - what could you ask more? (This is 
meant to be a grateful compliment.)

Eckhart

Re: Table problem

[Tarik Kara]

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Eckhart, thanks for the solutions and the explanations. I wish more was
translated to english. Also more documentation on math would be nice. But
given all that Hans is doing I can't ask for more. Good luck with your
thesis and thanks again.

Have fun,

Tar{\i}k

On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Eckhart [iso-8859-1] Guthöhrlein wrote:

> 
> I'm just switching from LaTeX, too, so don't expect too much from me. But I 
> think that
> 
>     \starttable[|l|c|c|c|]
>        \NC                  \NC   \NC\TWO{Agent 2}                   \NC\SR
>        \NC                  \NC   \NC C             \NC D             \NC\SR
>        \DC                  \DC   \DL[2]                              \DR
>        \NC \LOW{Agent 1}   \NC C \VL $(-5,-5)$     \VL $(-1,-10)$    \VL\SR
>        \DC                  \DC   \DL[2]                              \DR
>        \NC                  \NC D \VL $(-10,-1)$    \VL $(-2,-2)$     \VL\SR
>        \DC                  \DC   \DL[2]                              \DR
>     \stoptable
> 
> solves your problem. A possibility for the alignment at the comma may be
> 
>     \starttable[|l|c|r s0|l s3 |r s0 |l s3|]
>        \NC                  \NC   \NC\FOUR\JustCenter{Agent 
> 2}                   \NC\SR
>        \NC                  \NC   \NC\TWO\JustCenter{C}   \NC 
> \TWO\JustCenter{D}             \NC\SR
>        \DC                  \DC   \DL[4]                              \DR
>        \NC \LOW{Agent 1}   \NC C \VL $(-5$ \NC $,-5)$     \VL $(-1$ \NC 
> $,-10)$    \VL\SR
>        \DC                  \DC   \DL[4]                              \DR
>        \NC                  \NC D \VL $(-10$ \NC $,-1)$   \VL $(-2$ \NC 
> $,-2)$     \VL\SR
>        \DC                  \DC   \DL[4]                              \DR
>     \stoptable
> 
> This is something like r@{,}l in LaTeX... At least it works. I put the 
> comma in the second column to get correct spacing. Maybe Hans or another 
> more experienced contexter knows a better solution to the alignment 
> problem. With natural tables, there is an alignment character, but I don't 
> know if this is the case with table and tabulate, too. And I'm not sure if 
> it could actually work in this case, since you don't simply want to type a 
> number with a decimal comma, but a pair of numbers in math mode, separated 
> by a comma.
> The vertical alignment of 'Agent 1' is not perfect, though. Time for a 
> question: Is there a possibility to span an arbitrary number of rows and 
> align some text vertically centered in the resulting space? (ny=3 like in 
> natural tables, with additional centering?) The multirow package does this 
> for latex (quite well, except for very special cases).
> Btw, there are some examples of tables in the beginners' manual which are 
> not (yet?) in the english beta reference manual, so you may want to have a 
> look at this.
> I think tables are a topic where the context documentation (at least the 
> english one) ought to be extended, especially for newcomers and 'converts' 
> from latex. As soon as I am more experienced, and as soon as I have 
> finished my current work (diploma thesis), I would be willing make 
> contributions in this area (although the first precondition might take some 
> time...)
> 
> Eckhart
> 
> 
> 

Re: Table problem

[Eckhart Guthöhrlein]

At 18:53 07.07.2001 +0300, Tarik Kara wrote:
>A have tables (a game matrix) like the one given in the attachment. What
>is the best way to construct a table like the one in the attachment: The
>label "Player 2" should be centered among the last 2 columns (the
>\TWO\JustCenter{Player 2} did not do a good job), The label "Player 1"

I'm switching from LaTeX, too,

>should be centered among the last two rows (using the command \LOW{Player
>1} in the first row seems to be working ok). The dimension of the
>table does not have to be 2x2, but if you can show how to do it for 2x2 I
>believe I can extended to nxm.
>
>Also is there a way to get the number pairs alined by the comman.
>
>Thanks for your patience and help.
>
>Have fun,
>
>Tar{\i}k

Re: Table problem

[Eckhart Guthöhrlein]

At 18:53 07.07.2001 +0300, Tarik Kara wrote:
>It's me again. As you might have guessed I am trying to switch to ConTeXt.
>To start with I want to convert one of my old (LaTeX) document into
>ConTeXt. Although the documentation is extensive I can't seem to find what
>I need.  By new guestion is:
>
>A have tables (a game matrix) like the one given in the attachment. What
>is the best way to construct a table like the one in the attachment: The
>label "Player 2" should be centered among the last 2 columns (the
>\TWO\JustCenter{Player 2} did not do a good job), The label "Player 1"
>should be centered among the last two rows (using the command \LOW{Player
>1} in the first row seems to be working ok). The dimension of the
>table does not have to be 2x2, but if you can show how to do it for 2x2 I
>believe I can extended to nxm.
>
>Also is there a way to get the number pairs alined by the comman.

I'm just switching from LaTeX, too, so don't expect too much from me. But I 
think that

    \starttable[|l|c|c|c|]
       \NC                  \NC   \NC\TWO{Agent 2}                   \NC\SR
       \NC                  \NC   \NC C             \NC D             \NC\SR
       \DC                  \DC   \DL[2]                              \DR
       \NC \LOW{Agent 1}   \NC C \VL $(-5,-5)$     \VL $(-1,-10)$    \VL\SR
       \DC                  \DC   \DL[2]                              \DR
       \NC                  \NC D \VL $(-10,-1)$    \VL $(-2,-2)$     \VL\SR
       \DC                  \DC   \DL[2]                              \DR
    \stoptable

solves your problem. A possibility for the alignment at the comma may be

    \starttable[|l|c|r s0|l s3 |r s0 |l s3|]
       \NC                  \NC   \NC\FOUR\JustCenter{Agent 
2}                   \NC\SR
       \NC                  \NC   \NC\TWO\JustCenter{C}   \NC 
\TWO\JustCenter{D}             \NC\SR
       \DC                  \DC   \DL[4]                              \DR
       \NC \LOW{Agent 1}   \NC C \VL $(-5$ \NC $,-5)$     \VL $(-1$ \NC 
$,-10)$    \VL\SR
       \DC                  \DC   \DL[4]                              \DR
       \NC                  \NC D \VL $(-10$ \NC $,-1)$   \VL $(-2$ \NC 
$,-2)$     \VL\SR
       \DC                  \DC   \DL[4]                              \DR
    \stoptable

This is something like r@{,}l in LaTeX... At least it works. I put the 
comma in the second column to get correct spacing. Maybe Hans or another 
more experienced contexter knows a better solution to the alignment 
problem. With natural tables, there is an alignment character, but I don't 
know if this is the case with table and tabulate, too. And I'm not sure if 
it could actually work in this case, since you don't simply want to type a 
number with a decimal comma, but a pair of numbers in math mode, separated 
by a comma.
The vertical alignment of 'Agent 1' is not perfect, though. Time for a 
question: Is there a possibility to span an arbitrary number of rows and 
align some text vertically centered in the resulting space? (ny=3 like in 
natural tables, with additional centering?) The multirow package does this 
for latex (quite well, except for very special cases).
Btw, there are some examples of tables in the beginners' manual which are 
not (yet?) in the english beta reference manual, so you may want to have a 
look at this.
I think tables are a topic where the context documentation (at least the 
english one) ought to be extended, especially for newcomers and 'converts' 
from latex. As soon as I am more experienced, and as soon as I have 
finished my current work (diploma thesis), I would be willing make 
contributions in this area (although the first precondition might take some 
time...)

Eckhart

Table problem

[Tarik Kara]

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It's me again. As you might have guessed I am trying to switch to ConTeXt.
To start with I want to convert one of my old (LaTeX) document into
ConTeXt. Although the documentation is extensive I can't seem to find what
I need.  By new guestion is:

A have tables (a game matrix) like the one given in the attachment. What
is the best way to construct a table like the one in the attachment: The
label "Player 2" should be centered among the last 2 columns (the
\TWO\JustCenter{Player 2} did not do a good job), The label "Player 1"
should be centered among the last two rows (using the command \LOW{Player
1} in the first row seems to be working ok). The dimension of the
table does not have to be 2x2, but if you can show how to do it for 2x2 I
believe I can extended to nxm.

Also is there a way to get the number pairs alined by the comman.

Thanks for your patience and help.

Have fun,

Tar{\i}k

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