Re: What DTD for a thesis

Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:55 AM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm considering of writing a thesis using XML (instead of plain ConTeXt).
>What DTD is best suited? The main point is good output, but I want to be
>able to convert this document to e.g. HTML without too much hessle.
>
>I thought about using ContML + MathML, but I'd like to know whether you
>have a better suggestion.

contml sounds ok to me; we use it here in project for some big customers;

if you need additional functionality, let me know ...

[btw, there are xml interfaces for flowcharts, stepcharts, chemistry, units 
...]

Hans
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Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 05:10  AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

>> I thought about using ContML + MathML, but I'd like to know whether 
>> you
>> have a better suggestion.
>
> contml sounds ok to me; we use it here in project for some big 
> customers

What's ContML?

And I'll second the suggestion to take a look at tbook.

Bruce

Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:16 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>What's ContML?

see: x-contml.tex
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Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hello,

> At 09:16 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>What's ContML?
>
> see: x-contml.tex

I tried to get the documentation out of this file but it failed (sorry
about only posting things that fail and not about the 1000 things that
are so nice about ConTeXt..)


First of all the interface=en is confusing ConTeXt: 

[...]

! Undefined control sequence.
\moduletitel ...\insidefloattrue \steltabulatiein 
                                                  [\c!voor =,\c!na =]\startt...
l.14 ...yright={PRAGMA / Hans Hagen \& Ton Otten}]



==================================================

After changing this to nl (or removing it or --interface=nl on the
commandline) I get:


[...]



. . . <texexec-texexec.tmp> (./texexec-texexec.tmp)
Runaway argument?
 test </item> <item> test <em>what?</em></item> </itemize> 
! File ended while scanning use of \complexitem.
<inserted text> 
                \par 
<to be read again> 
                   \relax 
\dodoreadfile ...normalinput \readfilename \relax 
                                                  \the \everyafterreadfile 
\processlocalfile ... #1{#2}\donothing \donothing 
                                                  \doglobal \decrement \file...

\next1 #1,->\dodoprocessXMLbuffer {#1}
                                      \doprocesscommaitem 
\doprocesscommalist ...item \gobbleoneargument #1,
                                                  ]\relax \global \advance \...
...
l.224 \showelements [context] [itemize]
                                       


==================================================

And also the "koe" figure will result in an 'image not found'
message...


Patrick

Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Hans Hagen]

At 05:06 PM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>Hello,
>
> > At 09:16 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>What's ContML?
> >
> > see: x-contml.tex
>
>I tried to get the documentation out of this file but it failed (sorry
>about only posting things that fail and not about the 1000 things that
>are so nice about ConTeXt..)

i must admit that i seldom test the documentation in sources for 
correctness; alsol, some docs are in english now, which adds to the 
confusion; also in theprocess of making the source code englih i need to 
keep docu in sync -)

just change steltabulatiein into setuptabulation in the s-mod* file and it 
will work

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Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Maarten Sneep]

On Monday 20 January 2003 17:41, Hans Hagen wrote:
> i must admit that i seldom test the documentation in sources for
> correctness; also, some docs are in english now, which adds to the
> confusion; also in theprocess of making the source code english i need to
> keep docu in sync -)

Which brings me to another question: is there a perl script that will 
translate from one interface into another?

One such effect can be seen in the dutch documentation: in the file 
cont-nlp.pdf, on page 57 in part 4 (page 73 of the pdf) a "\starttypen" is 
closed by a "\stoptyping", which of course doesn't stop the typing...

Regards,

Maarten

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtains.

Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> just change steltabulatiein into setuptabulation in the s-mod* file
> and it will work

OK, after i changed steltabulatiein into setuptabulate and
stellayoutin -> setuplayout I get

[...]


Overfull \hbox (29.9608pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 388--388
[][][][][][]/cmtt10/\defineXMLnested[][][][[]context:td[]][][][][[][]\@@tbl[][]
][][][]{[][]\expanded[][]{[][]\bTD[][][[][]\theXMLarguments[][]{[][]\@@tbl[][]}
[][]}[][]][][]}[][][]\eTD[] 
<texexec-texexec.tmp> (./texexec-texexec.tmp
! Misplaced \noalign.
\TABLEnoalign ->\noalign 
                         \bgroup \let \noalign \relax \let \next =
\HL ->\TABLEnoalign 
                    {\ifnum \noftabulatelines =\zerocount \@EA \FL \else \if...

\XML:dat:context:thead -> <trule/>
                                   <tr> <td> bagger </td> <td> bagger </td> ...

\tabulatecontent ->\XMLflush {context:thead}
                                             <tr> <td> bagger </td> <td> bag...

\fulltabulatecontent ...respaces \tabulatecontent 
                                                  \ifx \tabulatetailcontent ...

\processtabulate ...sa \crcr \fulltabulatecontent 
                                                  \crcr }\prevdepth \dp \str...
l.21   </tbody>
               

getting closer :)

Patrick

Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Simon Pepping]

On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 05:06:44PM +0100, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I tried to get the documentation out of this file but it failed (sorry
> about only posting things that fail and not about the 1000 things that
> are so nice about ConTeXt..)
> 
> 
> First of all the interface=en is confusing ConTeXt: 
> 
> [...]
> 
> 
> After changing this to nl (or removing it or --interface=nl on the
> commandline) I get:
> 
> 
> [...]

I have the same problem when I try to read my own Docbook In Context
documentation. As a result I have never been able to read it myself in
formatted form :-(. How should I solve the language problem? The
documentation uses the english interface, but both the english and the
dutch interface run into problems.

Simon

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Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Hans Hagen]

At 08:47 PM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 05:06:44PM +0100, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> > Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I tried to get the documentation out of this file but it failed (sorry
> > about only posting things that fail and not about the 1000 things that
> > are so nice about ConTeXt..)
> >
> >
> > First of all the interface=en is confusing ConTeXt:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >
> > After changing this to nl (or removing it or --interface=nl on the
> > commandline) I get:
> >
> >
> > [...]
>
>I have the same problem when I try to read my own Docbook In Context
>documentation. As a result I have never been able to read it myself in
>formatted form :-(. How should I solve the language problem? The
>documentation uses the english interface, but both the english and the
>dutch interface run into problems.

hm, english documentation should work ok,

doen't --interface=en do the trick?

Hans

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Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Hans Hagen]

At 06:25 PM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
> > just change steltabulatiein into setuptabulation in the s-mod* file
> > and it will work
>
>OK, after i changed steltabulatiein into setuptabulate and
>stellayoutin -> setuplayout I get
>
>[...]
>
>
>Overfull \hbox (29.9608pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 388--388
>[][][][][][]/cmtt10/\defineXMLnested[][][][[]context:td[]][][][][[][]\@@tbl[][]
>][][][]{[][]\expanded[][]{[][]\bTD[][][[][]\theXMLarguments[][]{[][]\@@tbl[][]}
>[][]}[][]][][]}[][][]\eTD[]
><texexec-texexec.tmp> (./texexec-texexec.tmp
>! Misplaced \noalign.
>\TABLEnoalign ->\noalign

that's what willy e was refering to, solved in the next beta (remove 
\unexpanded before \def\HL in core-tbl; noalign is too sensitive for such 
things i learned)

Hans
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Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hello all,

>>OK, after i changed steltabulatiein into setuptabulate and
>>stellayoutin -> setuplayout I get

... a nicely set document :) 


is there a dtd for contml? Taco?


Greetings,

  Patrick

Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Hans Hagen]

At 12:59 PM 1/28/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>Hello all,
>
> >>OK, after i changed steltabulatiein into setuptabulate and
> >>stellayoutin -> setuplayout I get
>
>... a nicely set document :)
>
>
>is there a dtd for contml? Taco?

only an xsd file (schema) but i will make a relax one instead

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Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 08:21 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> only an xsd file (schema) but i will make a relax one instead.

An interesting point Hans: apparently Word 11 can read any XML document 
defined against a schema.  I don't know how formatting is applied, but 
my guess is via CSS.  If contml and m-bib v2 both have schemas, that'd 
certainly help people like me.

BTW, when are you going to make this schema available?  And this is 
essentially an XML representation of ConTeXt?  Never got around to 
figuring out the documentation things for this...

Bruce

Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Adam Lindsay]

Bruce D'Arcus said this at Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:05:59 -0500:

>BTW, when are you going to make this schema available?  And this is 
>essentially an XML representation of ConTeXt?  Never got around to 
>figuring out the documentation things for this...

The schema would be very interesting to me, too. Is it basically the data
model for the elements defined in x-contml.tex, or is there more to it?

adam


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Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Hans Hagen]

At 01:05 PM 1/28/2003 -0500, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 08:21 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>>only an xsd file (schema) but i will make a relax one instead.
>
>An interesting point Hans: apparently Word 11 can read any XML document 
>defined against a schema.  I don't know how formatting is applied, but my 
>guess is via CSS.  If contml and m-bib v2 both have schemas, that'd 
>certainly help people like me.

well, the x-contml.xds is in the distribution (but probably not 100% ok, 
since at the time of writing validators differed, and i have removed xml 
spy from my machine because it claims even txt and log suffixes as being xml)

Hans

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Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Hans Hagen]

At 06:16 PM 1/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Bruce D'Arcus said this at Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:05:59 -0500:
>
> >BTW, when are you going to make this schema available?  And this is
> >essentially an XML representation of ConTeXt?  Never got around to
> >figuring out the documentation things for this...
>
>The schema would be very interesting to me, too. Is it basically the data
>model for the elements defined in x-contml.tex, or is there more to it?

actually, there are several xsd/dtd/rng files in the distribution

also, there is pretty printing, like:

   texexec --pdf --use=xml-02 somefile.xml

and alike

Hans


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Re: Re: Module documentation

[Simon Pepping]

On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 10:21:58AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> At 08:47 PM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
> >I have the same problem when I try to read my own Docbook In Context
> >documentation. As a result I have never been able to read it myself in
> >formatted form :-(. How should I solve the language problem? The
> >documentation uses the english interface, but both the english and the
> >dutch interface run into problems.
> 
> hm, english documentation should work ok,
> 
> doen't --interface=en do the trick?

Both in Dutch and in English I get an error about the other language:

1. In Dutch:

>texexec --module xtag-docbook.tex

...

. . . . . [6.4] . . [7.5] . . .
! Undefined control sequence.
l.423 \subject
              {Analysis of the high level structure of an article}
? x

2. In English:

>texexec --interface=en --module xtag-docbook.tex

...

systems        : begin file texexec at line 4
(./xtag-docbook.ted
! Undefined control sequence.
\moduletitel ...\insidefloattrue \steltabulatiein 
                                                  [\c!voor =,\c!na =]\startt...
l.11 ...ht={2002 Simon Pepping, Michael Wiedmann}]
                                                  
? x

I have no idea why I seem to be the only one who has this problem.

Simon

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Re: Re: Module documentation

[Simon Pepping]

I just installed the latest beta, and that solved the problem. I can
now run module documentation with an english interface. I did not yet
try the dutch interface.

Simon

On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 09:12:03PM +0100, Simon Pepping wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 10:21:58AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > At 08:47 PM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
> > >I have the same problem when I try to read my own Docbook In Context
> > >documentation. As a result I have never been able to read it myself in
> > >formatted form :-(. How should I solve the language problem? The
> > >documentation uses the english interface, but both the english and the
> > >dutch interface run into problems.
> > 
> > hm, english documentation should work ok,
> > 
> > doen't --interface=en do the trick?
> 
> Both in Dutch and in English I get an error about the other language:
> 
> 1. In Dutch:
> 
> >texexec --module xtag-docbook.tex
> 
> ...
> 
> . . . . . [6.4] . . [7.5] . . .
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> l.423 \subject
>               {Analysis of the high level structure of an article}
> ? x
> 
> 2. In English:
> 
> >texexec --interface=en --module xtag-docbook.tex
> 
> ...
> 
> systems        : begin file texexec at line 4
> (./xtag-docbook.ted
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> \moduletitel ...\insidefloattrue \steltabulatiein 
>                                                   [\c!voor =,\c!na =]\startt...
> l.11 ...ht={2002 Simon Pepping, Michael Wiedmann}]
>                                                   
> ? x
> 
> I have no idea why I seem to be the only one who has this problem.
> 
> Simon
> 
> -- 
> Simon Pepping
> email: spepping@scaprea.hobby.nl

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Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Adam Lindsay]

Hans Hagen said this at Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:12:17 +0100:

>well, the x-contml.xds is in the distribution (but probably not 100% ok, 
>since at the time of writing validators differed, and i have removed xml 
>spy from my machine because it claims even txt and log suffixes as being xml)

I was discussing some things off-list with Bruce D'Arcus, and we both
agree: we can't find anything like an .xsd (or .xds) file anywhere in the
distribution.

If you have one that is less than 100% okay, we probably can help out
with the data model...

Cheers,
adam

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Re: Re: What DTD for a thesis

[Hans Hagen]

At 12:00 AM 3/12/2003 +0000, Adam Lindsay wrote:
>Hans Hagen said this at Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:12:17 +0100:
>
> >well, the x-contml.xds is in the distribution (but probably not 100% ok,
> >since at the time of writing validators differed, and i have removed xml
> >spy from my machine because it claims even txt and log suffixes as being 
> xml)
>
>I was discussing some things off-list with Bruce D'Arcus, and we both
>agree: we can't find anything like an .xsd (or .xds) file anywhere in the
>distribution.

ah, i see, i do copy them but don't zip them (same for relax schemes, which 
i use now)

>If you have one that is less than 100% okay, we probably can help out
>with the data model...

i wonder if they should go in base or maybe we should collect them under

texmf-local/www.pragma-ade.com/xsd
texmf-local/www.pragma-ade.com/rng

or maybe even a separate zip: cont-xml.zip with

www.pragma-ade.com/xsd

etc

will think of it since i need to sort it out

This makes more sense to me given this name space referencing

Hans
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