From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/11422 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Re: Fonts again in ConTeXt Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:27:02 +0100 Sender: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030314092201.03191f48@server-1> References: <20030312203555.33fb7c93.morawski@gmx.net> <03031214263404.11186@mondriaan> <03031214263404.11186@mondriaan> <5.1.0.14.1.20030312160932.024c08e8@server-1> <87fzps615f.fsf@gundla.ch> <20030312203555.33fb7c93.morawski@gmx.net> Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047631368 4808 80.91.224.249 (14 Mar 2003 08:42:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl Fri Mar 14 09:42:47 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from ref.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.13] helo=ref.ntg.nl) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18tkm7-0001FO-00 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:42:47 +0100 Original-Received: from ref.ntg.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F245A10BAF; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:43:32 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from mail.solcon.nl (mail.solcon.nl [212.45.33.11]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A27110BAF for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:32:14 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from server-1.pragma-net.nl (wc-58016.solcon.nl [212.45.58.16]) by mail.solcon.nl (8.12.5/pre1.0-MySQL/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2E8W91a031758 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:32:10 +0100 Original-Received: from LAPTOP-3.wxs.nl (laptop-3 [10.100.1.191]) by server-1.pragma-net.nl (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2E8W8Eg015481 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:32:10 +0100 X-Sender: hagen-mail@server-1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl In-Reply-To: <871y1bwtva.fsf@gundla.ch> X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020919) (mail.solcon.nl) Errors-To: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:11422 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:11422 At 09:31 AM 3/13/2003 +0100, Patrick Gundlach wrote: > > the MAP-file is a nice place for the real font selection. > >I agree with that. (Did you mean it this way?) hm, i disagree -) unless you keep your map files with your specific styles / projects > > How should i tell "normal" users that their font-selection from the > > document is overwriten since some stupid and wrong decisions have > > been made in the past. > >That is easy: You don't have the real helvetica? Then your dvi >processor (or pdfTeX) switches back to a substitution. This is the >way every printer works, that don't have the Linotype fonts built in. but, subsitutions means ugly results, which means ugly docs, which gives tex a bad reputation >1) the user: he or she requests the typescript [times][..]. What does > he want? URW? Or what? IMO I request Times-Roman, and not a > substitue. This is a real tricky area, there are so many times out that if you are not specific and embed them (in graphics, docs, etc) you end up in troubles. We have a few thousand Corel Draw files, mae on a win95 machine long ago, and cannot even open them because the font names changed (distiller 2 accepted the eps, distiller 5 doesn't) >The way with current ConTeXt it is now: I ask for Helvetica and get >Nimbus Sans. There is no way around this. unless you map the names alternatively, which you will do for us; just prepare the lot and we can discuss it in bremen {if tex was less powerfull with math/fonts, live would be so much more easy] Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------