column sets / preliminary manual

column sets / preliminary manual

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

I uploaded a not yet complete manual on column sets:

   http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/columns.pdf

there is also an accompanying new beta

Hans
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Re: column sets / preliminary manual

[Willi Egger]

Hans,

Wow!

that is great!

Willi
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> Hi,
>
> I uploaded a not yet complete manual on column sets:
>
>    http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/columns.pdf
>
> there is also an accompanying new beta
>
> Hans
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Re: column sets / preliminary manual

[Adam Lindsay]

Hans Hagen said this at Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:19:10 +0200:

>I uploaded a not yet complete manual on column sets:

This is indeed amazing.
And I'm ashamed, because I recognise that it's "give users a finger, and
they'll want the whole hand." But...

This seems relevant to a problem I've been considering the past couple of
days. I'd like to typeset side-by-side translations of an extended work.
I imagine one language in an inner column, and another in an outer
column, with chapter headings spanning the two columns, acting as a
synchronisation point.

I played with the old "paragraphs in columns" mechanism, and noticed that
it doesn't seem to support page breaking, which is probably the big
barrier to this application--TeX has to juggle two places to break pages.

Am I taking the wrong approach? Is this design too ambitious? Has anyone
else tried this sort of thing?

Cheers,
adam

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Re: column sets / preliminary manual

[Willi Egger]

Hi Adam,

Although my experience is limited I could imagine, that a setup wit a
\starttabulate \stoptabulate environment could work for you:

\starttext
\definetabulate[Mystyle][|p|p|]

\section[]{First paragraph}

\startMystyle
\NC a bunch of text     \NC a bunch of text \NC\NR
\NC \dorecurse{5}{\input tufte \blank[small]} \NC \dorecurse{3}{\input knuth
\blank[small]} \NC\NR
\stopMystyle

\section[]{Second paragraaf}

\startMystyle
\NC a bunch of text  \NC a bunch of text \NC\NR
\NC \dorecurse{7}{\input tufte \blank[small]} \NC \dorecurse{9}{\input knuth
\blank[small]} \NC\NR
\stopMystyle
\stoptext


Humble, this is a very simple(minded) approach.

Of course Hans's columnset possibilities give you many more hooks to insert
blocks, backgrounds etc.

Willi

Re: column sets / preliminary manual

[Hans Hagen]

At 21:43 22/04/2003 +0200, Willi Egger wrote:
>Hi Adam,
>
>Although my experience is limited I could imagine, that a setup wit a
>\starttabulate \stoptabulate environment could work for you:
>
>\starttext
>\definetabulate[Mystyle][|p|p|]
>
>\section[]{First paragraph}
>
>\startMystyle
>\NC a bunch of text     \NC a bunch of text \NC\NR
>\NC \dorecurse{5}{\input tufte \blank[small]} \NC \dorecurse{3}{\input knuth
>\blank[small]} \NC\NR
>\stopMystyle
>
>\section[]{Second paragraaf}
>
>\startMystyle
>\NC a bunch of text  \NC a bunch of text \NC\NR
>\NC \dorecurse{7}{\input tufte \blank[small]} \NC \dorecurse{9}{\input knuth
>\blank[small]} \NC\NR
>\stopMystyle
>\stoptext
>
>Humble, this is a very simple(minded) approach.

well, that makes me simple minded too, because it was the first one that 
came into my mind -)

but ... you can make it a bit nicer (see core-mis.tex for how legends are 
defined)

>Of course Hans's columnset possibilities give you many more hooks to insert
>blocks, backgrounds etc.

well, you can have backgrounds in tabulations; i can put it on my todo list 
to see if column sets can have a sync mechanism

Hans
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Re: column sets / preliminary manual

[Adam Lindsay]

Hans, Willi, thank you.

Hans Hagen said this at Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:20:12 +0200:

>>Humble, this is a very simple(minded) approach.
>
>well, that makes me simple minded too, because it was the first one that 
>came into my mind -)

I suspected that, presented with a new hammer, my problem looked too much
like a nail.

>but ... you can make it a bit nicer (see core-mis.tex for how legends are 
>defined)

Will investigate.

>>Of course Hans's columnset possibilities give you many more hooks to insert
>>blocks, backgrounds etc.
>
>well, you can have backgrounds in tabulations; i can put it on my todo list 
>to see if column sets can have a sync mechanism

Hmm. I'm wondering what you're interpreting as "sync" in this case.
Ragged bottoms between columns at the end of chapter weren't going to
bother me.

The weird bit that I doubt I'll be able to handle given ConTeXt as it is
today is doing an inner column/outer column alternation. Consider the
following 2-page spread:

 -----------------  -----------------
 |               |  |               |
 |  EN EN  NL NL |  | NL NL  EN EN  |
 |  ENEN   NLNL  |  |  Chapter 3  N |
 |N ENEN   NL NL |  | NLNL   ENEN o |
 |o ...    ...   |  | ...    ...  t |
 |t ...    ...   |  | ...    ...  e |
 |e ...    ...   |  | ...    ...    |
 -----------------  -----------------

The english translation is on the outer column, with margin notes also
hanging around. I can imagine this use is pretty unique, though. I'll
look at the "Misc" macros and see if I can be creative with the "simple-
minded" stuff.

Adam
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Re: column sets / preliminary manual

[Hans Hagen]

At 21:51 22/04/2003 +0100, you wrote:

>The weird bit that I doubt I'll be able to handle given ConTeXt as it is
>today is doing an inner column/outer column alternation. Consider the
>following 2-page spread:
>
>  -----------------  -----------------
>  |               |  |               |
>  |  EN EN  NL NL |  | NL NL  EN EN  |
>  |  ENEN   NLNL  |  |  Chapter 3  N |
>  |N ENEN   NL NL |  | NLNL   ENEN o |
>  |o ...    ...   |  | ...    ...  t |
>  |t ...    ...   |  | ...    ...  e |
>  |e ...    ...   |  | ...    ...    |
>  -----------------  -----------------
>
>The english translation is on the outer column, with margin notes also
>hanging around. I can imagine this use is pretty unique, though. I'll
>look at the "Misc" macros and see if I can be creative with the "simple-
>minded" stuff.

\starttext

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

\long\def\StartSideBySide#1\OtherSide#2\StopSideBySide
   {\doifrightpageelse
      {\starttabulate[|p|p|]
       \NC #1 \NC #2 \NC \NR
       \stoptabulate}
      {\starttabulate[|p|p|]
       \NC #2 \NC #1 \NC \NR
       \stoptabulate}}

\StartSideBySide \input tufte \OtherSide \input knuth \StopSideBySide
\page
\StartSideBySide \input tufte \OtherSide \input knuth \StopSideBySide

\stoptext

(you need to manipulate the pages yourself, as said: more clever things are 
possible, but currently i lack the time ... ask again in a few months)

Hans
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