* Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty?
@ 2003-09-18 7:08 Steffen Wolfrum
2003-09-19 8:05 ` Holger Schöner
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From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2003-09-18 7:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi Hans (probably the only relevant recipient),
while Patrick Gundlach could provide me a solution for all chapters in one file
there still is no idea how to do it within the project structure.
See for example the following:
The generated empty pages
after the TOC (page 2), and after the last chapter (14 and 15)
all have pagenumbers.
Quite ugly.
How to get rid of them?
How to make empty pages by default empty?
Steffen
Minimal Example:
\definepagebreak
[chapter]
[yes,header,right]
\setuphead
[chapter]
[page=chapter,
]
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
\setupsectionblock[frontmatter][page=chapter] % doesn't work
\starttext
\startfrontmatter
\completecontent
\stopfrontmatter
\startbodymatter
\chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
\chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
\chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
\stopbodymatter
\stoptext
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* Re: Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty?
2003-09-18 7:08 Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty? Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2003-09-19 8:05 ` Holger Schöner
2003-09-19 9:38 ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Holger Schöner @ 2003-09-19 8:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi Steffen,
I could not confirm the following in the ConTeXt source code (could not find
the definition), but I might be remembering a similar case, where I wanted
special setups for chapters and wondered why the contents were shown
differently. As far as I remember, I solved it by using \setuphead not only
for chapter, but also for title (and/or some others?), so this might help
for your problem as well ...
For some reason the example you provided does not work at all for me
(there is no page break before chapters; perhaps my ConTeXt is too
old), so I'm sorry, I could not test this suggestion.
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> while Patrick Gundlach could provide me a solution for all chapters in one file
> there still is no idea how to do it within the project structure.
>
> See for example the following:
> The generated empty pages
> after the TOC (page 2), and after the last chapter (14 and 15)
> all have pagenumbers.
>
> Quite ugly.
>
> How to get rid of them?
> How to make empty pages by default empty?
>
> Steffen
>
>
> Minimal Example:
>
> \definepagebreak
> [chapter]
> [yes,header,right]
>
> \setuphead
> [chapter]
> [page=chapter,
> ]
>
> \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
> \setupsectionblock[frontmatter][page=chapter] % doesn't work
>
> \starttext
> \startfrontmatter
> \completecontent
> \stopfrontmatter
> \startbodymatter
> \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
> \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
> \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
> \stopbodymatter
>
> \stoptext
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* Re: Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty?
2003-09-19 8:05 ` Holger Schöner
@ 2003-09-19 9:38 ` Patrick Gundlach
2003-09-19 10:08 ` Holger Schöner
2003-09-19 10:58 ` Re: Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty? Jens-Uwe Morawski
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From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-09-19 9:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
Holger Schöner <hfsch@cs.tu-berlin.de> writes:
Hi,
> For some reason the example you provided does not work at all for me
> (there is no page break before chapters; perhaps my ConTeXt is too
> old), so I'm sorry, I could not test this suggestion.
how old is your ConTeXt Version? It must be more than one year old
(that is if my memory serves me right).
Patrick
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* Re: Re: Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty?
2003-09-19 9:38 ` Patrick Gundlach
@ 2003-09-19 10:08 ` Holger Schöner
2003-10-23 9:18 ` Simple but frustrating cross reference problem Duncan Hothersall
2003-10-23 9:43 ` Duncan Hothersall
2003-09-19 10:58 ` Re: Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty? Jens-Uwe Morawski
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From: Holger Schöner @ 2003-09-19 10:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> Holger Schöner <hfsch@cs.tu-berlin.de> writes:
> > For some reason the example you provided does not work at all for me
> > (there is no page break before chapters; perhaps my ConTeXt is too
> > old), so I'm sorry, I could not test this suggestion.
>
> how old is your ConTeXt Version? It must be more than one year old
> (that is if my memory serves me right).
Not quite that much:
ConTeXt ver: 2003.2.11 fmt: 2003.4.4 int: english mes: english
and what I was wondering about is, that the command \definepagebreak exists,
and I cannot find an error message; so I do not know, where it breaks. But I
did not have time to investigate, and am planning to update anyway, when the
new TexLive is out ...
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Holger F. Schoener TU Berlin; Dept. IV: EE and Computer Science
hfsch@cs.tu-berlin.de http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~hfsch/
Rooms FR2525 Tel: +49-30-314-73115, Fax: -73121
Office FR 2-1 Franklinstr. 28/29, D-10587 Berlin, Germany
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* Re: Re: Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty?
2003-09-19 9:38 ` Patrick Gundlach
2003-09-19 10:08 ` Holger Schöner
@ 2003-09-19 10:58 ` Jens-Uwe Morawski
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From: Jens-Uwe Morawski @ 2003-09-19 10:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:38:03 +0200
Patrick Gundlach <pg@levana.de> wrote:
> Holger Schöner <hfsch@cs.tu-berlin.de> writes:
> >
> > For some reason the example you provided does not work at all for me
> > (there is no page break before chapters; perhaps my ConTeXt is too
> > old), so I'm sorry, I could not test this suggestion.
>
> how old is your ConTeXt Version? It must be more than one year old
> (that is if my memory serves me right).
AFAIK No. Yesterday before my update to the current beta i tested the example
and it did not work. The version installed was from july this year.
With the current beta it works, but gives in the bad result Steffen mentioned
if \[start|stop][front|body]matter is present in the file. Esp. that it adds an empty
odd page 15. Without those *matter's it works as expected.
Jens
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* Re: Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty?
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@ 2003-09-19 12:26 ` Hans Hagen
2003-09-19 13:18 ` Patrick Gundlach
2003-09-19 13:24 ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-09-19 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
At 10:05 19/09/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Steffen,
> > \definepagebreak
> > [chapter]
> > [yes,header,right]
\definepagebreak
[chapter]
[empty,header,right]
since yes+right in your case equals right; think of
yes yes yes == yes
and right right right ... being notthing when already on right
previous versions of context used to do a more hard coded pagebreak at
section blocks (but i got so many complaints about that that i softened it)
Hans
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* Re: Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty?
2003-09-19 12:26 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2003-09-19 13:18 ` Patrick Gundlach
2003-09-19 16:53 ` Hans Hagen
2003-09-19 13:24 ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-09-19 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi Hans,
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
> \definepagebreak
> [chapter]
> [empty,header,right]
could you explain in a few words what these keywords mean and how
they should be used? I can imagine what "right" is doing.
Patrick
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* Re: Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty?
2003-09-19 12:26 ` Hans Hagen
2003-09-19 13:18 ` Patrick Gundlach
@ 2003-09-19 13:24 ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-09-19 13:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi again,
> \definepagebreak
> [chapter]
> [empty,header,right]
I don't get it:
==================================================
\definepagebreak
[chapter]
[empty,header,right]
\setuphead
[chapter]
[page=chapter,
]
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
\setupsectionblock[frontmatter][page=chpater]
\starttext
\startfrontmatter
\completecontent
\stopfrontmatter
\startbodymatter
\chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
\chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
\chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
\stopbodymatter
\stoptext
==================================================
gives me a 19 page document.
page contents
1 empty
2 empty
3 pagenumber, toc
4 pagenumber
5 empty
6 empty
7 pagenumber, text
...
17 pagenumber, text
18 pagenumber
19 pagenumber
The only pages I understand is 7--17. Why isn't the toc placed on page
one? Why is the page 4 headed with the pagenumber?
What is page 18 and 19 doing in the pdf file?
Patrick
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* Re: Re: Expert version: How to make empty pages by default empty?
2003-09-19 13:18 ` Patrick Gundlach
@ 2003-09-19 16:53 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-09-19 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
At 15:18 19/09/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Hans,
>
>Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>
> > \definepagebreak
> > [chapter]
> > [empty,header,right]
>
>could you explain in a few words what these keywords mean and how
>they should be used? I can imagine what "right" is doing.
empty forces an empty page
header nils the header line (which empty does anyway)
right makes sure that we end up on a right page
Hans
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* Simple but frustrating cross reference problem
2003-09-19 10:08 ` Holger Schöner
@ 2003-10-23 9:18 ` Duncan Hothersall
2003-10-23 10:34 ` Patrick Gundlach
2003-10-23 9:43 ` Duncan Hothersall
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From: Duncan Hothersall @ 2003-10-23 9:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hello all.
I have a very simple challenge: I want to insert a reference point in a
document, so that I can later refer to the page number at that point,
but I'm not outputting a sectioning or start... command at the point in
question.
I'm looking for something like \referencepoint[label] that can just be
dropped anywhere in text so that I can later say \at{page }[label] and
produce its page number.
I have searched documentation, and what I can of sources, in vain.
Thanks for any help.
Duncan
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* Re: Simple but frustrating cross reference problem
2003-09-19 10:08 ` Holger Schöner
2003-10-23 9:18 ` Simple but frustrating cross reference problem Duncan Hothersall
@ 2003-10-23 9:43 ` Duncan Hothersall
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From: Duncan Hothersall @ 2003-10-23 9:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
Apologies. I found the \pagereference[ref] command about a minute after
sending this email. I had thought it output the page number, as the
manual was slightly unclear on the issue. Sorry for the noise.
Duncan
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* Re: Simple but frustrating cross reference problem
2003-10-23 9:18 ` Simple but frustrating cross reference problem Duncan Hothersall
@ 2003-10-23 10:34 ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-10-23 10:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi,
> I have a very simple challenge: I want to insert a reference point in
> a document, so that I can later refer to the page number at that
> point, but I'm not outputting a sectioning or start... command at the
> point in question.
besides your approach:
\starttext
See page \ref[p][myref 1] and \ref[p][myref 2].
\page
\reference[myref 1]{} This is the first reference.
\page
\reference[myref 2]{} This is the second one.
\stoptext
Patrick
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