From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/77467 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Rodr=EDguez?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Critical editions with ConTeXt Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:47 +0200 Message-ID: <50099F27.9080101@web.de> References: <9a69cc6e3c778869.50068b7e@uniovi.es> <50068B59.7070803@uni-bonn.de> <500701D4.2020609@web.de> <50097C2B.2030609@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1342807860 24269 80.91.229.3 (20 Jul 2012 18:11:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:11:00 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Jul 20 20:10:59 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SsHfH-0003B2-Gg for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF89101F6; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ZAoVpT2pYIov; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6412E10200; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE0510200 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id f0DEWEjAeHUa for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (filter3-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.71]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D8F101F6 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.4]) by filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q6KIAq4G017554 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:53 +0200 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.33] ([83.52.100.190]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MDPYb-1T46xV1JGP-00GXNm for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 In-Reply-To: <50097C2B.2030609@uni-bonn.de> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:93rftiKIS5SOykR69J5E9HzRjW+2ADzVnwAOEfnD3J1 bjA2MnuuzWD+iLjB3mPNMzYDnwW7Ajbf4VutHjXVHfZklDXMbC 9wpa4yJ5/d05fBW4LuXs+M0BeAh2AK5e0dSTq4rFxJoecrPFkm AMf38pNLeXOR0xnCiIG5kfiHN8Fy6f8NW10OZShF//KltaUEqN TA9MtcGI24NkyDSny0fJw== X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0025 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=212.227.15.4; country=DE; region=02; city=Munich; latitude=48.1500; longitude=11.5833; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=48.1500,11.5833&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 03HAGaQq1 - 52ccff79744f - 20120720 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.71 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:77467 Archived-At: On 20/07/12 17:41, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > Just a few comments on this helpful mail: Thank you very much for your reply, Thomas. > On 07/19/2012 12:57 PM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote: >> I'm not a classical philologist, but the way ConTeXt works is much >> clearer than ledmac to me (although I have only tested ledmac for a >> couple of days). >> > I haven't looked at ledmac too closely, and of course I'm a huge fan of > ConTeXt; nevertheless, we shouldn't promise too much: for the time > being, ledmac provides a pretty good working environment which you can > just use; ConTeXt offers a much better overall syntax and programming > interface, but right now, it's more of a DIY experience when it comes to > critical editions. There is no ready drop-in replacement for ledmac I must admit that I didn't get ledmac to do some of the documented tricks. I haven't tried much, but some code didn't work. >> But there are two features from ledmac that aren't available in ConTeXt >> (or at least I don't know how to achieve them): >> >> -ConTeXt numbers all linenotes that come from the same line and there >> seems to be no way to limit number in the apparatus to only the first >> linenote from that line. > > This is something that can be fixed, I assume. The best you could do: > make a small example file, explain what output you expect and what you > get, and ask Hans nicely if he can implement this. Chances are he'll > reply "on a rainy Sunday afternoon, maybe," and you'll have to give him > a couple of weeks and gently remind him. He (or the Wolfgang) will be > willing and helpful, but of course time is a finite resource. So: the > better and clearer and shorter your example, the more polite your > request, the better your chances to see this implemented. My minimal example is this: \definelinenote[lnote] \setuplinenote[lnote][rule=off,paragraph=yes,numbercommand=,inbetween=\qquad] \setupdescriptions[lnote][display=yes,location=serried,distance=1em] \starttext \startlinenumbering This\lnote{That} is\lnote{was} imposible\lnote{possible}. \stoplinenumbering \stoptext which gives as result something like: 1 This 1 was 1 impossible And the output I would like to have is: 1 This was impossible I mean, what it would be extremely useful to have is an option to avoid that the line number and the space after (distance from \setupdescriptions) could be disabled after the first linenote from that same line. >> -From the way linenotes are implemented, linenotes mark a point in the >> body text, but not a text passage, so it seems to be impossible to refer >> to a passage that is typeset in different lines (such as 2-3). > > This may be a bit more difficult, because it involves thinking about > proper input syntax. How do you want to mark this passage? If you can > come up with clean and unequivocal syntax and demonstrate it in an > example, your chances aren't too bad. However, I mean really clean > syntax, not just a kludge to give you the output you want. Ideally, have > a look at the TEI syntax. IMO, this is the best way to go; I don't think > TeX is a good input format for critical editions. If you can come up > with a good mapping TEI --> ConTeXt --> output, that would facilitate > things. A clear syntax might be not so easy not being a philologist at all (classical or not). As far as I understand, ledmac syntax should be left aside. There was a syntax proposal from Idris Hamid for this at section 4.2 http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2007/share/idris/cr-apparatus.pdf. Isn't this syntax right? But after just consulting the TEI Guidelines on critical apparatus, I must admit that I would need more experience typesetting critical editions to provide a meaningful example. Consider that even TEI has a working group on critical apparatus to improve the TEI syntax and possibilities. > Just my personal opinions; I'm not a spokesperson for ConTeXt in any way! I know these are your personal opinions. Sorry for not being able to provide a second example and many thanks for your help, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________