From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/77572 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Small caps? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:53:32 +0200 Message-ID: <500FA5FC.30407@wxs.nl> References: <20120724213437.10149b34@homerow> <500FA1B5.4080408@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1343202825 29892 80.91.229.3 (25 Jul 2012 07:53:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Mojca Miklavec To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Jul 25 09:53:45 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1StwPc-00010g-MF for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:53:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3BB1022F; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:53:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Zdj+TCnSUE7h; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:53:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C348D10230; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:53:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05C310230 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:53:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id y+bea-ajNqqj for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:53:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter2-utr.mf.surf.net (filter2-utr.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.153]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AF81022F for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:53:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter2-utr.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q6P7rYfb009289 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:53:34 +0200 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.100; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 6.1c) with ESMTP (TLS) id 335-1713362 for multiple; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:53:31 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=03; city=Hattem; latitude=52.4724; longitude=6.0696; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.4724,6.0696&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 04HCvRy06 - b81b5377b6cd - 20120725 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 195.169.124.153 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:77572 Archived-At: On 25-7-2012 09:41, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: >> On 25-7-2012 04:33, Shriramana Sharma wrote: >> >>> Basically I'm trying to move away from wordprocessors, and while I'm >>> not looking for meaningless effects like "walking ants" (from MS Word) >>> to be provided by TeX macro packages, faux smallcaps (and oblique and >>> bold) is not an unreasonable thing to expect IMO. Not everyone is a >>> typographer to produce the appropriate fine-typography glyphs for >>> their favourite font to cater to a particular style. Why should the >>> system impose "super-duper" typography on users when they are willing >>> to settle for less? >> >> Sure, but one problem with a mkii fake approach is that it is fragile wh= en >> something else than 8 bit characters shows up in the content stream. > > Is that also true for XeTeX? (What is an 8-bit character when talking of = XeTeX?) On the one hand less, as a token can be an utf character, but fo rother = bits and pieces of the input it is still tricky. Given the earlier = posted code: \smallcaps{=E0=E1=E2=E3=E4=E5 Watch out for returns.} That works, but the next doesn't: \smallcaps{=E0=E1=E2=E3=E4=E5 Watch out for \TEX\ returns.} So, a parser would have to deal with things like this: \TEX {\bold test} \hbox{test} There are some token processors in mkii that deal with some of these = aspects. > But it lacks Indic scripts, so it's not an option for him, at least not y= et. Indic scripts will be supported in mkiv some day soon (at the ntg = meeting there has been a presentation about devanagari etc using the = context font machinery and that will be integrated once it's stable). 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