* define vs setup
@ 2012-07-26 3:18 Bill Meahan
2012-07-26 3:21 ` S Barmeier
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From: Bill Meahan @ 2012-07-26 3:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I'm confused again. :\
When do you use a \defineSOMETHING instead of \setupSOMETHING ?
Must something be "\define"'ed before it is "\setup" or is it the other
way around or is one required or one not or.... Reading the manual and
wiki just leaves me more confused since examples are given which use one
OR the other but don't seem to require both. Or am I missing something
again.
Reading the pages for the individual commands doesn't help since it is
often the case the page detailing the "\define" commands mostly seem
to imply "\define" inherits from "\setup".
Sigh.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread* Re: define vs setup 2012-07-26 3:18 define vs setup Bill Meahan @ 2012-07-26 3:21 ` S Barmeier 2012-07-26 8:13 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: S Barmeier @ 2012-07-26 3:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users You can \setup what you \define|d yourself and \setup what is pre\define|d, but not \setup something that is not \define|d. Maybe ;) Severin On 07/26/2012 12:18 PM, Bill Meahan wrote: > I'm confused again. :\ > > When do you use a \defineSOMETHING instead of \setupSOMETHING ? > > Must something be "\define"'ed before it is "\setup" or is it the other > way around or is one required or one not or.... Reading the manual and > wiki just leaves me more confused since examples are given which use one > OR the other but don't seem to require both. Or am I missing something > again. > > Reading the pages for the individual commands doesn't help since it is > often the case the page detailing the "\define" commands mostly seem > to imply "\define" inherits from "\setup". > > Sigh. > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: define vs setup 2012-07-26 3:21 ` S Barmeier @ 2012-07-26 8:13 ` Hans Hagen 2012-07-26 15:04 ` Bill Meahan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-07-26 8:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 26-7-2012 05:21, S Barmeier wrote: > You can \setup what you \define|d yourself and \setup what is > pre\define|d, but not \setup something that is not \define|d. > > Maybe ;) it depends .. often it's: \definexx[whatever] \definexx[whatever][settings] \definexx[another][parent] \definexx[another][parent][settings] \setupxx[settings] \setupxx[another][settings] \setupxx[whatever][settings] sometimes there are no defines because a feature is generic or global in nature. often a define generates a command (\whatever, \startwhatever), etc btw, a redefine does not reset already set parameters (in mkii that is often the case but not in mkiv) it all depends on what kind of functionality you're dealing with Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: define vs setup 2012-07-26 8:13 ` Hans Hagen @ 2012-07-26 15:04 ` Bill Meahan 2012-07-26 15:34 ` Marco Patzer 2012-07-26 16:15 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Bill Meahan @ 2012-07-26 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2908 bytes --] On 07/26/2012 04:13 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 26-7-2012 05:21, S Barmeier wrote: >> You can \setup what you \define|d yourself and \setup what is >> pre\define|d, but not \setup something that is not \define|d. >> >> Maybe ;) > > it depends .. often it's: > > \definexx[whatever] > \definexx[whatever][settings] > \definexx[another][parent] > \definexx[another][parent][settings] > > \setupxx[settings] > \setupxx[another][settings] > \setupxx[whatever][settings] > > sometimes there are no defines because a feature is generic or global in > nature. often a define generates a command (\whatever, \startwhatever), etc > > btw, a redefine does not reset already set parameters (in mkii that is > often the case but not in mkiv) > > it all depends on what kind of functionality you're dealing with > > Hans > OK, let's deal with a specific use case. I'm publisher/editor/reporter/photographer/mailer/janitor/coffeemaker for an organizational newsletter. I've done lots of other newsletters before but using DTP programs. I really want to use ConTeXt for this one because the layout is (required to be) absolutely identical from one issue to the next. Like a traditional newspaper, the front page will contain the masthead, headline and (for this one) a mandatory Privacy Act Notification. I'm virtually certain I can handle the three "special" bits using layers and which will leave the margins and text area the same as the rest of the pages albeit with no header or footer. Hence, by definition, the front page is a makeup page for which the examples on the wiki are a bit, shall we say, sparse. Without the makeup page, a \setuplayout [settings] works just wonderfully - I have a dummy with which I'm doing testing so I actually tried it. :) Would I correctly, then, do the following: % Global layout \setuplayout [settings] \definelayout [frontpage] [settings] % Only those things that are different from the global \definemakeup [frontpage] % other definitions, fonts yadda, yadda, yadda \starttext \startmakeup [frontpage] % place the layers % content \stopmakup % continue content as required \stoptext Sorry for the length of this note but I thought it better to explain the whole thing upfront than in bits and pieces. Thanks for all the help. I'm really loving ConTeXt but switching after <mumble> years of using LaTeX and DTP programs is proving a little more of a challenge than I expected. Old dogs *can* learn new tricks but it takes a bit more work. :) -- Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan USA “Writing is a combination of intangible creative fantasy and appallingly hard work.” —Anthony Powell This message is digitally signed with an X.509 certificate to prove it is from me and has not been altered since it was sent. [-- Attachment #1.2: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature --] [-- Type: application/pkcs7-signature, Size: 4933 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: define vs setup 2012-07-26 15:04 ` Bill Meahan @ 2012-07-26 15:34 ` Marco Patzer 2012-07-26 15:40 ` Bill Meahan 2012-07-26 16:15 ` Mojca Miklavec 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Marco Patzer @ 2012-07-26 15:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 2012-07-26 Bill Meahan <wmeahan94@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Bill, it's a typo: > \stopmakup \stopmakeup Marco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: define vs setup 2012-07-26 15:34 ` Marco Patzer @ 2012-07-26 15:40 ` Bill Meahan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Bill Meahan @ 2012-07-26 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 649 bytes --] On 07/26/2012 11:34 AM, Marco Patzer wrote: > On 2012-07-26 Bill Meahan <wmeahan94@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > it's a typo: > >> \stopmakup > > \stopmakeup > Sorry 'bout that. :) I've never been a "good" typist even though I can dump a lot of text into a file in a short time. It *is* correct in my actual test file. -- Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan USA “Writing is a combination of intangible creative fantasy and appallingly hard work.” —Anthony Powell This message is digitally signed with an X.509 certificate to prove it is from me and has not been altered since it was sent. [-- Attachment #1.2: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature --] [-- Type: application/pkcs7-signature, Size: 4933 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: define vs setup 2012-07-26 15:04 ` Bill Meahan 2012-07-26 15:34 ` Marco Patzer @ 2012-07-26 16:15 ` Mojca Miklavec 2012-07-26 16:21 ` Khaled Hosny 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-07-26 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Bill Meahan wrote: > > I really want to use ConTeXt for this one > because the layout is (required to be) absolutely identical from one issue > to the next. There is one thing that I warmly suggest you to do, and that is making "backups" of ConTeXt versions that you use for production. ConTeXt is lightweight enough, so you can easily afford storing the versions you use along with content, and then try to compile your documents both with the latest & greatest version as well as some backup version, just to make sure that everything is still perfectly fine in both. MKII is stable, but MKIV is still a moving target and from time to time one or the other thing changes (LaTeX is in a sense way more stable, but on the other hand 99.9% of the time you have no chance that anyone would implement any feature request to make your life easier). Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: define vs setup 2012-07-26 16:15 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-07-26 16:21 ` Khaled Hosny 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Khaled Hosny @ 2012-07-26 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 06:15:31PM +0200, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > LaTeX is in a sense way more stable Which is mostly an illusion, packages do change all the time, hyphenation patterns change, fonts change and engines change (even pdfTeX), and unlike ConTeXt backups are much harder to take (short of backing up your whole TeX Live installation). Regards, Khaled ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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