From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/77814 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Meahan Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: A series of articles about text-editors for the MAPS Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: <50227BC5.60602@gmail.com> References: <3A84E0FD-7B31-4519-98CF-94D16CD3B396@boede.nl> <20120807202248.3b8d5571@sda3.wexfordpress.net> <87zk65v7vp.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0523746104==" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344437205 11966 80.91.229.3 (8 Aug 2012 14:46:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:46:45 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Aug 08 16:46:46 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sz7X0-0003qE-Pz for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:46:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06CB101EC; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:46:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id vWvPNd5Or4cK; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:46:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93105101DF; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:46:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A48101DF for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:46:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id DmPyDJyhhpXT for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:46:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-ams.mf.surf.net (filter1-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.69]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900F6101DD for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:46:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by filter1-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q78EkXxp016571 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:46:33 +0200 Original-Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so1000619vcb.14 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=8Ifk1iRXv7xZ+fASNLN5qr9eUzTYCjiywD7OvM0+2I0=; b=qh7kupMQ0cSSdIjy3YoPIzs6zeaRZr1N02TJOqRrdWAL5iC3XXt9Wd4zdIKZeadGf0 Z9haBdx/t9v2epGm0IMzL3mauMVmTi2GJAAqgyH7IRb++kSbMQRNMuC+Ld/Npt1BQazn vw6+AljkkCkqT+yJwHOYarPOOth0ojuolCI5+aDZmQESMbnu2/kJbs6HmquhOoM7Pjzg jaf7b5c2iHOjQxKWClBgl5Cf+WMuKGJQGHNbiskgfh2OQsKzXHXUM1zYvsRElvQhhEwX zK2EVDOSArbSzsquEsCLmPgCw37mHA6Rs0iv00OVNqw4+zU/jK2AwyjkJqCz4tgX91ZL yIZg== Original-Received: by 10.52.176.195 with SMTP id ck3mr12212523vdc.92.1344437192889; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.107] (d27-96-221-12.nap.wideopenwest.com. [96.27.12.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i13sm21300013vdj.4.2012.08.08.07.46.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:46:31 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 In-Reply-To: <87zk65v7vp.fsf@gmail.com> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0163 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.220.169; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0NHIeKx2d - bdb600ead2f0 - 20120808 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.69 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:77814 Archived-At: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============0523746104== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010306090509090805010201" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010306090509090805010201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/08/2012 09:19 AM, Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz wrote: > Hi Willi, > > I used vim/gvim in the past and switched to emacs. I write all my stuff= > with ConTeXt and with some tweaking of the commands you can also make > mkiv run inside of emacs. also nice is to write your metapost and use > the metapost mode for it that can generate a preview inside emacs for > you. Together with auctex and reftex emacs is in my opinion the best > tool for writing TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt documents. > I USED to run emacs + auctex but the ConTeXt support in auctex is=20 minimal so I asked on the auctex mailing list if there would be any=20 expansion of the ConTeXt support. I got back a one-sentence reply: "Code doesn't change itself." That ticked me off as the FSF has done for 30+ years. Not everyone is a developer and just having the source code doesn't mean you understand=20 the language, the programming style, the particular programmer's choice=20 of "tricks" or the way the software is broken up into functions, what=20 functions are global and what functions are package-specific. A polite, "No, there's nobody working on it right now." might not have=20 gored my ox so badly. Since I'm going to have to write the kind of ConTeXt support I want, I=20 switched to Textadept. Textadept is conceptually similar to emacs but it = has been designed from the ground up for modern systems (emacs dates=20 back to the 1970's) and uses Lua for an extension language. Lua is=20 sufficiently similar to languages I have worked with in the past so=20 learning it is pretty easy compared to learning LISP (aka "Long=20 Indecipherable Sets of Parentheses") which is unlike anything else, perio= d. Textadept is based on Scintilla rather than some home-grown display=20 mechanism. I'm working on a ConTeXt-specific extension mode for ConTeXt that will=20 not only provide syntax highlighting and command completion, but will=20 provide command-specific option and parameter pick-lists for each=20 command. Unfortunately, it's in my queue behind a couple of other big=20 writing/journalism projects and won't be done for a while. I thought I was done coding after 45+ years of doing it but I guess I'm n= ot. Sorry for the rant. --=20 Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan USA =93Writing is a combination of intangible creative fantasy and appallingly hard work.=94 =97Anthony Powell This message is digitally signed with an X.509 certificate to prove it is from me and has not been altered since it was sent. --------------ms010306090509090805010201 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIO6zCC BJ0wggOFoAMCAQICEDQ96SusJzT/j8s0lPvMcFQwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwbzELMAkGA1UE BhMCU0UxFDASBgNVBAoTC0FkZFRydXN0IEFCMSYwJAYDVQQLEx1BZGRUcnVzdCBFeHRlcm5h bCBUVFAgTmV0d29yazEiMCAGA1UEAxMZQWRkVHJ1c3QgRXh0ZXJuYWwgQ0EgUm9vdDAeFw0w NTA2MDcwODA5MTBaFw0yMDA1MzAxMDQ4MzhaMIGuMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzELMAkGA1UECBMC VVQxFzAVBgNVBAcTDlNhbHQgTGFrZSBDaXR5MR4wHAYDVQQKExVUaGUgVVNFUlRSVVNUIE5l 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