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From: Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: 'kern': TrueType table and GPOS lookup feature
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:05:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50B8D947.50003@wxs.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEmWKkSCxJ8LVmNwrb-Nq2GcuQacDptgxQUWfrsent+Fwq8V8A@mail.gmail.com>

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On 11/30/2012 10:58 AM, Steve White wrote:

> 2) I understood that ConTeXt only uses the old-style TrueType 'kern'
> table, rather than the OpenType 'kern' GPOS lookup.  If that is the
> case, I would suggest that you consider to change the  logic to first
> use the OpenType lookup, and if it doesn't exist, fall back to the
> TrueType table. Several applications are already complaining that both
> exist; the plan is to drop support for the TrueType table in FreeFont.

I has always supported both but the user does not show the difference.


> 3) In most applications, the script of a run of text is determined from
> the Unicode.  This is the assumption made in FreeFont.  The GNU FreeFont
> policy starts from its essence as a Unicode font, in which no particular
> script is default. (Some generic features that are not specific to any
> script, are in {dflt,dflt}.)
>
> There was a suggestion that Latin kerns should be activated by
> {script,lang}={dflt,dflt}.  Let me ask, should Devanagari kerns also be
> activated by {dflt, dflt}?  If not, why?

because one text can contain multiple scripts

> It appears that there maybe some conflict her with TeX implementaions.
> I don't completely understand this.  Maybe we can find a solution.

If you have context installed and running, you can do this:

\usemodule[fnt-20,art-01]

\starttext

\definefontfeature
   [freeserif-default]
   [default]
   [script=latn]

\setvariables
   [otftracker]
   [font=file:freeserif.ttf,
    size=24pt,
    figure=,
    features=freeserif-default,
    title=Feature Check,
    sample={dadedidodufafefifofufrflftlale}]

\setvariables
   [otftracker]
   [font=file:freeserif.ttf,
    size=24pt,
    figure=,
    features=freeserif-default,
    title=Feature Check,
    sample={lilolutatetitotu}]

\stoptext

This gives insight in the stepwise processing of features (something 
that is handy for relatively complex fonts, for instance those dealign 
with arabic).

> 4) I have written something like Pablo's test using XeTeX and fontspec.
> Kerning works very well with GNU FreeFont.  Find attached.

maybe xetex defaults to latn

> 5) There was also a report that OpenType kerning doesn't work in some
> E-Book readers (I know this isn't the forum for that, but ...) .  My
> iriver Story kerns very nicely text in FreeSerif.  Can I get an example
> of an E-reader for which kerning fails?  (I really don't doubt that they
> exist!)

Natively I suppose? If a pdf file is viewed on an ebook reader it's not 
the ereader's issue.

Hans

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\usemodule[fnt-20,art-01]

\starttext

\definefontfeature
  [freeserif-default]
  [default]
  [script=latn]

\setvariables
  [otftracker]
  [font=file:freeserif.ttf,
   size=24pt,
   figure=,
   features=freeserif-default,
   title=Feature Check,
   sample={dadedidodufafefifofufrflftlale}]

\setvariables
  [otftracker]
  [font=file:freeserif.ttf,
   size=24pt,
   figure=,
   features=freeserif-default,
   title=Feature Check,
   sample={lilolutatetitotu}]

\stoptext

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-30 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-30  7:06 Pablo Rodríguez
2012-11-30  9:13 ` Hans Hagen
2012-11-30  9:58   ` Steve White
2012-11-30 10:18     ` luigi scarso
2012-11-30 11:40       ` Steve White
2012-11-30 12:24         ` luigi scarso
2012-11-30 14:25           ` Steve White
2012-11-30 15:30             ` luigi scarso
2012-11-30 15:38               ` Hans Hagen
2012-11-30 18:12                 ` Steve White
2012-11-30 18:22                   ` Hans Hagen
2012-11-30 19:37                   ` luigi scarso
2012-11-30 21:25                     ` Steve White
2012-11-30 22:02                       ` Hans Hagen
2012-11-30 23:57                         ` Pablo Rodríguez
2012-12-01 16:22                       ` Steve White
2012-12-01 19:22                         ` luigi scarso
2012-12-01 19:38                           ` Aditya Mahajan
2012-12-01 19:46                             ` luigi scarso
2012-12-01 19:58                               ` Aditya Mahajan
2012-12-01 21:09                                 ` luigi scarso
2012-12-02  9:58                                   ` Steve White
2012-12-02 13:12                                     ` Khaled Hosny
2012-12-02 14:32                                       ` Steve White
2012-12-02 14:49                                         ` Khaled Hosny
2012-12-02 10:10                           ` Steve White
2012-12-02 10:24                             ` luigi scarso
2012-12-02 10:43                               ` Wolfgang Schuster
2012-12-02 11:08                               ` Steve White
2012-12-02 11:48                                 ` luigi scarso
2012-11-30 15:43         ` Hans Hagen
2012-11-30 14:13     ` Khaled Hosny
2012-11-30 15:41       ` Hans Hagen
2012-11-30 16:05     ` Hans Hagen [this message]
2012-11-30 16:39       ` Bill Meahan
2012-11-30 18:08         ` Steve White
2012-11-30 19:07           ` Bill Meahan
2012-11-30 21:24             ` Steve White
2012-11-30 18:34       ` Steve White

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