From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/80186 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: ConTeXt on the Mac (TexShop). 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Schultz : >> I am kind of confused about the relationship between luatex and ConTeXt. > > http://www.tug.org/levels.html > > ConTeXt MkIV needs LuaTeX. That's a somewhat confusing description. (1) Context is just a format, so it should be mentioned as format. (2) We call all instances context, i.e. we don't combine engine names = with 'context' so there is no 'pdfcontext', although one could do that. (3) As there are language dependent user interfaces, we have more = formats (cont-en, cont-nl, ...). (4) We use a management script to run the engine with the context = format. Reasons for this are: we need to manage multiple runs, we might = need to call intermediate programs (in mkii for instance we need to sort = indices). (5) This also permits us to present to user with an engine independent = call to context. In mkii we had 'texexec' (on top of a more generic = script manager called texmfstart), in mkiv we have 'context' (and again = a script manager called mtxrun). Now, to come to luatex: this project is quite related to context as it = all started in the context community. We also use context for testing = and exploring new functionality. For this we use mkiv/mkvi which is a = rewrite of context using the full potential of luatex so that we can go = beyond what traditional tex engines can do. We explicitly have chosen = for a lua + tex combination so that we don't have to hardcode solutions = in the engine (macro packages have too many conflicting demands anyway) = and are more future proof. Given that mkii is frozen, and given that type1 fonts are sort of = obsolete (context has always been an early adopter of lm and gyre = fonts), and given that utf is the way to go (so no messing with input = and font encodings any more), and given some more reasons, in practice = users will no longer use pdftex and/or xetex but luatex. In that sense = context depends on luatex and also keep the development of that engine = going. The philosophy of context is that by having most functionality in the = core, users can rather easy create their own styles (the average style = has not that many lines anyway). I'm always sort of puzzled when I see = remarks that context is close to plain, as I cannot see where that = conclusion comes from. The whole reason that context exists is that I = didn't want to hack around in low level style files and deal with funny = commands having @ in their names. 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