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[174.93.83.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u4sm1993117igw.6.2013.01.10.06.23.59 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:24:00 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.9999 (Score 4.7, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.210.174; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0VIKeo1Tz - d2fe7388f4c2 - 20130110 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.220 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:80198 Archived-At: Hans, This is a most lucid explanation. I have been waiting for this myself. To quote the great American philosopher, Corporal Radar O'Reilly, from the television show of the 1970s, M*A*S*H: Ah, Bark! [He was instructed to say Ah, Baaacccch! by Hawkeye Pierce] I apologise in advance for this most peculiar and culturally specific bit of history. Regards. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:58:43 +0100 > From: Hans Hagen > To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Subject: Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on the Mac (TexShop). Problem of a > newbie > Message-ID: <50EEACF3.9040602@wxs.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 1/10/2013 12:19 PM, Martin Schr?der wrote: >> 2013/1/10 Keith J. Schultz : >>> I am kind of confused about the relationship between luatex and ConTeXt. >> >> http://www.tug.org/levels.html >> >> ConTeXt MkIV needs LuaTeX. > > That's a somewhat confusing description. > > (1) Context is just a format, so it should be mentioned as format. > > (2) We call all instances context, i.e. we don't combine engine names > with 'context' so there is no 'pdfcontext', although one could do that. > > (3) As there are language dependent user interfaces, we have more > formats (cont-en, cont-nl, ...). > > (4) We use a management script to run the engine with the context > format. Reasons for this are: we need to manage multiple runs, we might > need to call intermediate programs (in mkii for instance we need to sort > indices). > > (5) This also permits us to present to user with an engine independent > call to context. In mkii we had 'texexec' (on top of a more generic > script manager called texmfstart), in mkiv we have 'context' (and again > a script manager called mtxrun). > > Now, to come to luatex: this project is quite related to context as it > all started in the context community. We also use context for testing > and exploring new functionality. For this we use mkiv/mkvi which is a > rewrite of context using the full potential of luatex so that we can go > beyond what traditional tex engines can do. We explicitly have chosen > for a lua + tex combination so that we don't have to hardcode solutions > in the engine (macro packages have too many conflicting demands anyway) > and are more future proof. > > Given that mkii is frozen, and given that type1 fonts are sort of > obsolete (context has always been an early adopter of lm and gyre > fonts), and given that utf is the way to go (so no messing with input > and font encodings any more), and given some more reasons, in practice > users will no longer use pdftex and/or xetex but luatex. In that sense > context depends on luatex and also keep the development of that engine > going. > > The philosophy of context is that by having most functionality in the > core, users can rather easy create their own styles (the average style > has not that many lines anyway). I'm always sort of puzzled when I see > remarks that context is close to plain, as I cannot see where that > conclusion comes from. The whole reason that context exists is that I > didn't want to hack around in low level style files and deal with funny > commands having @ in their names. > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com > | www.pragma-pod.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----- - Pavneet Arora Waroc Fine Audio + Custom Home Cinema www.waroc.com 416.937.WAROC (9276) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________