[NTG-context] Problem with Cambria

[NTG-context] Problem with Cambria

[Lutz Haseloff]

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Hi Hans, hi all,

the latest ConTeXt lmtx seems to have a problem with MS Cambria.

My file is:

\setupbodyfont[cambria]
\definefont[symbola][file:symbola*default at 10pt]
\starttext
\startMPpage[offset=1dk]
draw textext("AC{\symbola ⚡}DC");
\stopMPpage
\stoptext

mtxrun finde the font:

➜  ~ mtxrun --script font --list --pattern=cambria --all
identifier           familyname    fontname            filename                                subfont   instances

cambria              cambria       cambria             /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambria.ttc    1
cambriabold          cambria       cambriabold         /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambriab.ttf
cambriabolditalic    cambria       cambriabolditalic   /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambriaz.ttf
cambriaitalic        cambria       cambriaitalic       /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambriai.ttf
cambriamathnormal    cambriamath   cambriamath         /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambria.ttc    2
cambriamathregular   cambriamath   cambriamath         /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambria.ttc    2
cambrianormal        cambria       cambriaitalic       /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambriai.ttf
cambriaregular       cambria       cambria             /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambria.ttc    1


ConTeXt doesn't.
logfile:

open source     > level 2, order 3, name '/home/lutz/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/mkiv/type-imp-cambria.mkiv'
open source     > level 3, order 4, name '/home/lutz/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/mkiv/type-imp-dejavu.mkiv'
close source    > level 3, order 4, name '/home/lutz/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/mkiv/type-imp-dejavu.mkiv'
close source    > level 2, order 4, name '/home/lutz/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/mkiv/type-imp-cambria.mkiv'
fonts           > defining > forced type 'ttf' of 'cambria' not found
fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambria.ttf' as 'cambria-12pt-rm-tf-0--0'
fonts           > defining > forced type 'ttf' of 'cambmath' not found
fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambmath.ttf' as 'cambria-12pt-mm-mr--3'
fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambmath.ttf' as 'cambria-12pt-mm-mr--2'
fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambmath.ttf' as 'cambria-12pt-mm-mr--1'
fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambmath.ttf' as 'cambria-12pt-mm-mb--3'
fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambmath.ttf' as 'cambria-12pt-mm-mb--2'
fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambmath.ttf' as 'cambria-12pt-mm-mb--1'

Greetings
Lutz Haseloff

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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with Cambria

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Lutz Haseloff schrieb am 16.08.2024 um 09:47:
> Hi Hans, hi all,
>
> the latest ConTeXt lmtx seems to have a problem with MS Cambria.
>
> My file is:
>
> \setupbodyfont[cambria]
> \definefont[symbola][file:symbola*default at 10pt]
> \starttext
> \startMPpage[offset=1dk]
> draw textext("AC{\symbola ⚡}DC");
> \stopMPpage
> \stoptext

Which result (YES or NO) do you get with the following example?

\starttext
\doiffileelse{cambria.ttc}{YES}{NO}
\stoptext

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with Cambria

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 16.08.24 um 09:47 schrieb Lutz Haseloff:
> the latest ConTeXt lmtx seems to have a problem with MS Cambria.

For me, Cambria only works after a forced reload of the font database:

mtxrun --script font --reload --force

Otherwise everything is Cambria bold (from the same TTC).

I don’t know if your problem is related.


> ➜  ~ mtxrun --script font --list --pattern=cambria --all
> identifier           familyname    fontname            
> filename                                subfont   instances

> cambriamathnormal    cambriamath   cambriamath         
> /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambria.ttc    2
> cambriamathregular   cambriamath   cambriamath         
> /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambria.ttc    2

> '/home/lutz/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/mkiv/type-imp-cambria.mkiv'
> fonts           > defining > forced type 'ttf' of 'cambria' not found
> fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambria.ttf' as 
> 'cambria-12pt-rm-tf-0--0'
> fonts           > defining > forced type 'ttf' of 'cambmath' not found
> fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambmath.ttf' as 

I’m not sure if "cambmath" or "cambria.ttf" relates to "cambria.ttc".

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with Cambria

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 16.08.2024 um 10:52:
> I’m not sure if "cambmath" or "cambria.ttf" relates to "cambria.ttc".

When Cambria was released you had two ways to get the fonts:

     1. As part of your windows (or was it office?) installation.

     2. You bought a end user license from Ascender fonts.

The second option is no longer available because Ascender was bought in 
2010 by Monotype and it seems the fonts aren't available for purchase 
anymore.

@Hans and Mikael: Can we remove the ascender version from the typescript 
or change the file check to make the microsoft version the default?

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with Cambria

[Lutz Haseloff]

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I get NO.
(With Version 2024.07.31 19:43 LMTX I get NO too)

Lutz

Am 16. August 2024 10:43:12 MESZ schrieb Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com>:
>Lutz Haseloff schrieb am 16.08.2024 um 09:47:
>> Hi Hans, hi all,
>> 
>> the latest ConTeXt lmtx seems to have a problem with MS Cambria.
>> 
>> My file is:
>> 
>> \setupbodyfont[cambria]
>> \definefont[symbola][file:symbola*default at 10pt]
>> \starttext
>> \startMPpage[offset=1dk]
>> draw textext("AC{\symbola ⚡}DC");
>> \stopMPpage
>> \stoptext
>
>Which result (YES or NO) do you get with the following example?
>
>\starttext
>\doiffileelse{cambria.ttc}{YES}{NO}
>\stoptext
>
>Wolfgang
>
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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with Cambria

[Lutz Haseloff]

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That is my Standard font reload commandline.
Used to work in the past.
Doesn't work in this case.

Lutz

Am 16. August 2024 10:52:22 MESZ schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>:
>Am 16.08.24 um 09:47 schrieb Lutz Haseloff:
>> the latest ConTeXt lmtx seems to have a problem with MS Cambria.
>
>For me, Cambria only works after a forced reload of the font database:
>
>mtxrun --script font --reload --force
>
>Otherwise everything is Cambria bold (from the same TTC).
>
>I don’t know if your problem is related.
>
>
>> ➜  ~ mtxrun --script font --list --pattern=cambria --all
>> identifier           familyname    fontname            filename                                subfont   instances
>
>> cambriamathnormal    cambriamath   cambriamath         /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambria.ttc    2
>> cambriamathregular   cambriamath   cambriamath         /home/lutz/fonts/winfont/cambria.ttc    2
>
>> '/home/lutz/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/mkiv/type-imp-cambria.mkiv'
>> fonts           > defining > forced type 'ttf' of 'cambria' not found
>> fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambria.ttf' as 'cambria-12pt-rm-tf-0--0'
>> fonts           > defining > forced type 'ttf' of 'cambmath' not found
>> fonts           > defining > unable to define 'cambmath.ttf' as 
>
>I’m not sure if "cambmath" or "cambria.ttf" relates to "cambria.ttc".
>
>Hraban
>
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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with Cambria

[Lutz Haseloff]

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I have cambria.ttc in my OSFONTDIR.
If I Move it to texmf-fonts,
\doiffileelse and \doifelsefile recognize cambria.ttc.

Greetings Lutz

Am 16. August 2024 11:14:47 MESZ schrieb Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com>:
>Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 16.08.2024 um 10:52:
>> I’m not sure if "cambmath" or "cambria.ttf" relates to "cambria.ttc".
>
>When Cambria was released you had two ways to get the fonts:
>
>    1. As part of your windows (or was it office?) installation.
>
>    2. You bought a end user license from Ascender fonts.
>
>The second option is no longer available because Ascender was bought in 2010 by Monotype and it seems the fonts aren't available for purchase anymore.
>
>@Hans and Mikael: Can we remove the ascender version from the typescript or change the file check to make the microsoft version the default?
>
>Wolfgang
>
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Lutz Haseloff

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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with Cambria

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/16/2024 3:10 PM, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
> I have cambria.ttc in my OSFONTDIR.
> If I Move it to texmf-fonts,
> \doiffileelse and \doifelsefile recognize cambria.ttc.
that's the best approach ... the problem is that there are several 
cambrias and the names are a bit fuzzy so bets play safe with files

Hans

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