From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/80871 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: \| should give two || and not one Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:29:51 +0100 Message-ID: <5123460F.70300@wxs.nl> References: <0586C40F-41EA-4278-BE5B-B347317FA964@web.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1361266195 25081 80.91.229.3 (19 Feb 2013 09:29:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:29:55 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Feb 19 10:30:17 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U7jWj-0002Vb-Gf for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:30:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7052101E9; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:29:56 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id sXa1SBh4M4sQ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:29:54 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539F0101E3; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:29:54 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EE7101E3 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:29:52 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id HZ2eNe5EMd5T for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:29:51 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter1-til.mf.surf.net (filter1-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.217]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D2A101E0 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:29:51 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter1-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r1J9Toin020607 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:29:50 +0100 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.100; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 6.1c) with ESMTP (TLS) id 8011-1713362 for multiple; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:29:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 In-Reply-To: <0586C40F-41EA-4278-BE5B-B347317FA964@web.de> X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; latitude=52.5000; longitude=5.7500; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.5000,5.7500&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0RJ29tO5x - c473f17b452a - 20130219 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.217 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:80871 Archived-At: On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: > Hi All, > > In a way, it is correct that for compatibility reasons and and convert > it is good to keep the old syntax. > > Yet, ConTeXt is suppose to be more natural. I consider the \{ \} \| etc to be escapes for tex characters. In fact, if one wants || in math then it's more natural to support || directly. > Personally, I find some of the names used in TeX and LaTeX often > hard to find. Whenever, I needed a function or symbol I to often > go look it up. I mean that \vert and \Vert are still cryptic. They can stand > for abs, for all in, etc. .. a next step (already partially done) is that we organize the names in dictionaries as in open math (a bit of work) > Me, I prefer names that reflect the their functions, me too and i wonder if we should have proper names as well i.e. use verbose names as default (in char-def.lua) and define the short ones as synonyms (in a tex file) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________