From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/81217 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: upto current Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:05:36 +0100 Message-ID: <5148B700.5050800@wxs.nl> References: <5148AB62.50002@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1363719949 5404 80.91.229.3 (19 Mar 2013 19:05:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:05:49 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Mar 19 20:06:14 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UI1rS-00076u-A1 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:06:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B94101F1; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:05:50 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id tXXBZO4bJ6wm; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:05:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D26101EB; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:05:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD8F101EB for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:05:47 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Y1ub3u5o3Ofy for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:05:46 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter1-til.mf.surf.net (filter1-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.217]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986E6101E7 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:05:46 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter1-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r2JJ5i6T026169 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:05:45 +0100 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.100; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 6.1c) with ESMTP (TLS) id 11959-1713362 for multiple; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:05:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=11; city=Den Haag; latitude=52.0833; longitude=4.3000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.0833,4.3000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0RJdv5J3N - 86e6e5e1e198 - 20130319 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.217 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:81217 Archived-At: On 3/19/2013 7:47 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> One these days there will be a first iteration of this years 'current' >> release. This has to do with the texlive code freeze. > > Are there any plans to do an actual development freeze a few weeks > before the TL code freeze to ensure that the TL version is not beta > quality. The code freeze is in about a month. In principle Mojca/Taco can use the current beta as starting point for testing. I have no clue if there are issues but as context is rather independent there shouldn't be many I have just one (flat) source tree here so freezing current also means freezing beta. Afaik Mojca never figured out how to have a current alongside a beta in her git setup, otherwise someone could push fixes from beta into the current branch. I have no time to look into that kind of stuff. > Although most active users use ConTeXt standalone and are willing to > update frequently, TL still plays an important role in introducing new > users to ConTeXt. An experienced TeX user who wants to try ConTeXt is > more likely to try ConTeXt distributed as part of TL rather than ConTeXt > standalone. When there are serious bugs with ConTeXt TL, it gives the > impression that ConTeXt is not a mature macro package. Sure. Although mkiv, certainly at that time, was a bit more beta, even the then 'current' -) > As anecdotal evidence, I used ConTeXt TL for my most recent article for > tugboat. There were some serious bugs in ConTeXt TL (multi-column > footnotes not working, marking styles not working, wrong font scaling, > etc.) and I had to struggle to get everything to work correctly. Most of > these bugs were fixed in the latest beta. But if I were a new user, I > would not have the patience to download and test the latest beta when a > supposedly stable release has serious bugs. Last year we froze too soon. In retrospect we should have pushed the beta (also because we froze about the time the new luatex came out). In retrospect frozen could have been less frozen then. We even had the weird situation that the generic font code was frozen in current but the last versions were taken for non context use instead of the frozen code. But that's out of our control anyway. > So, I'd like to suggest that for a few weeks before the TL freeze, we do > a ConTeXt-beta freeze with only changes being bug fixes. We can try .. I have no plans for drastic changes (and no time for it the next weeks anyway). We depend on users to notice things that are broken (let's forget about things that could be improved): fonts not rendering, files not being found, crashes due to typos, etc. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________