From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/81318 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Meahan Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: upto current Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:19:06 -0400 Message-ID: <514C685A.1000609@meahan.net> References: <5148AB62.50002@wxs.nl> <2F2ABC1E-124E-424D-94B4-E3CBF448E88A@web.de> <20130320092558.1d0f33cd@aga-netbook> <3C82073C-9A1E-4DE2-AFB5-BDE3C0550994@web.de> <20130321113201.365016f8@iram-hb-003386.extra.cea.fr> <20130321152603.13688b88@aga-netbook> <710C7AA9-2A41-4793-841A-CC0757540CDC@web.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1363961962 9235 80.91.229.3 (22 Mar 2013 14:19:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:19:22 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Mar 22 15:19:49 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UJ2ot-0002vH-If for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:19:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E730101E9; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:19:23 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id SAiNlL+HMZ0I; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:19:17 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85213101E5; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:19:17 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12B4101E5 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:19:16 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id zN6KXtWDoAT1 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:19:15 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter1-utr.mf.surf.net (filter1-utr.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.152]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C81A101E3 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:19:14 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail16c40.carrierzone.com (mail16c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.156]) by filter1-utr.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r2MEJARc007125 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:19:11 +0100 X-Authenticated-User: bill.meahan.net Original-Received: from [192.168.1.121] (d27-96-221-12.nap.wideopenwest.com [96.27.12.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail16c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2MEJ6F1007651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:19:08 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 In-Reply-To: <710C7AA9-2A41-4793-841A-CC0757540CDC@web.de> X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.0 cv=M7T63VMs c=1 sm=1 a=gQI4EhXLwm578WU9SoM/2Q==:17 a=3ZKT6H8U66YA:10 a=Olzf91-8vUEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=wBJZxVaMAAAA:8 a=oTFU6-MFkGcA:10 a=VQez5FzNIyd3ZrHGtHoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=gQI4EhXLwm578WU9SoM/2Q==:117 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.514C685C.0073, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.9999 (Score 4.7, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.235.156.156; country=US; region=FL; city=Fort Lauderdale; postalcode=33301; latitude=26.1223; longitude=-80.1434; metrocode=528; areacode=954; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=26.1223,-80.1434&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 07JeCjaQJ - 4f2d1037c4f9 - 20130322 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:81318 Archived-At: On 03/22/2013 03:31 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: > Hi All, > > Maybe, we could setup a collaborative work group to do the documentation. > > That is a group of us are responsible for certain groups of commands. This way > the manuals can become more complete. That way some of the more advance > stuff that is hardly documented finally gets documented. > > What we would need is a specification for: > [snip] In 45+ years of programming[1] it has never ceased to amaze me how the wheel has to be reinvented for every new system whether language, macro package or whatever. Why do it again? Why not adopt some documentation system that is already widely-used and for which infrastructure and knowledge of use is already in place? I have no investment in any particular system. I'm happily generating other types of non-computer-related documents using reStructuredText since I can easily convert that various publication formats as required without separate source files for each format. It seems to me docutils has everything that would be needed to document ConTeXt and is very widely used given the popularity of Python (which makes me cringe). If doxygen or something else would work better, so be it. The point is, **use something that exists instead of expending time and effort reinventing the wheel yet again!** [1] I was, am and will be a "programmer" and not a "software developer" or "software engineer." The term adequately depicts what I did/do while the others are simply too pretentious. Find the old article "Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal" in an archive somewhere -- I've been a "real programmer" and I suspect Hans is, too. :) Sorry for the rants but it is so frustrating to have to install so many different language support and documentation systems simply because I use FOSS tools exclusively. -- Bill Meahan Westland, Michigan USA ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________