* [wiki] fake account spam
@ 2013-04-05 13:43 Philipp Gesang
2013-04-05 13:59 ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Philipp Gesang @ 2013-04-05 13:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi all,
I’d like to draw your attention to the wiki. The spammers appear
to know the solution to the current entry barrier “What is
usually the last command in a ConTeXt source file (without the
backslash)?”, and the number of fake accounts is growing fast:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Log/newusers
They don’t, however, seem to vandalize yet, so I guess the postal
code of Hasselt is unbreakable with today’s technology ;-)
Nevertheless the account spam is messing up the recent changes
feed:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss
Even if it’s not urgent, may I suggest we collect possible
replacements for the current question? I can’t image the damage
those accounts would do once they figure out how to post links.
Best
Philipp
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* Re: [wiki] fake account spam
2013-04-05 13:43 [wiki] fake account spam Philipp Gesang
@ 2013-04-05 13:59 ` Mojca Miklavec
2013-04-05 14:09 ` Arthur Reutenauer
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2013-04-05 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’d like to draw your attention to the wiki. The spammers appear
> to know the solution to the current entry barrier “What is
> usually the last command in a ConTeXt source file (without the
> backslash)?”, and the number of fake accounts is growing fast:
>
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Log/newusers
>
> They don’t, however, seem to vandalize yet, so I guess the postal
> code of Hasselt is unbreakable with today’s technology ;-)
> Nevertheless the account spam is messing up the recent changes
> feed:
>
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss
>
> Even if it’s not urgent, may I suggest we collect possible
> replacements for the current question? I can’t image the damage
> those accounts would do once they figure out how to post links.
It would probably be best to:
1.) Remove all those account (attention: some users are actually
legitimate and contributed valid content).
2.) Find out if there is any problematic IP and block those IPs.
3.) Install something like
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount and/or maybe
use both captcha and some context-specific question (honestly: if
users don't know how to answer some slightly more tricky question,
they shouldn't be able to get the account). We could use questions
like "Last name of president of ConTeXt User Group."
I haven't been on wiki for a while and received a warning about the
issue yesterday.
Mojca
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2013-04-05 13:59 ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2013-04-05 14:09 ` Arthur Reutenauer
2013-04-06 1:18 ` Leo Arnold
2013-04-05 14:40 ` Alan BRASLAU
2013-04-06 14:53 ` Philipp Gesang
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From: Arthur Reutenauer @ 2013-04-05 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> 3.) Install something like
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount and/or maybe
> use both captcha and some context-specific question
Adding an actual captcha seems like the way to go; it may not prevent
all automated account creations, but it clearly filters much better than
a static list of questions with plain-text answers.
Arthur
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* Re: [wiki] fake account spam
2013-04-05 13:59 ` Mojca Miklavec
2013-04-05 14:09 ` Arthur Reutenauer
@ 2013-04-05 14:40 ` Alan BRASLAU
2013-04-06 14:53 ` Philipp Gesang
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From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2013-04-05 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:59:47 +0200
Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> some context-specific question (honestly: if
> users don't know how to answer some slightly more tricky question,
> they shouldn't be able to get the account). We could use questions
> like "Last name of president of ConTeXt User Group."
Uh... ?
Why not some *really* tricky question like: "what keyword is to be used to right-justify?" :)
Alan
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* Re: [wiki] fake account spam
2013-04-05 13:59 ` Mojca Miklavec
2013-04-05 14:09 ` Arthur Reutenauer
2013-04-05 14:40 ` Alan BRASLAU
@ 2013-04-06 14:53 ` Philipp Gesang
2013-04-25 17:31 ` Sietse Brouwer
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From: Philipp Gesang @ 2013-04-06 14:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I’d like to draw your attention to the wiki. The spammers appear
> > to know the solution to the current entry barrier “What is
> > usually the last command in a ConTeXt source file (without the
> > backslash)?”, and the number of fake accounts is growing fast:
> >
> > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Log/newusers
> >
> > They don’t, however, seem to vandalize yet, so I guess the postal
> > code of Hasselt is unbreakable with today’s technology ;-)
I spoke too soon (or maybe those guys read the list and view this
discussion as a challenge?):
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Contributions/TrenaLege
> > Nevertheless the account spam is messing up the recent changes
> > feed:
> >
> > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss
> >
> > Even if it’s not urgent, may I suggest we collect possible
> > replacements for the current question? I can’t image the damage
> > those accounts would do once they figure out how to post links.
>
> It would probably be best to:
>
> 1.) Remove all those account (attention: some users are actually
> legitimate and contributed valid content).
>
> 2.) Find out if there is any problematic IP and block those IPs.
Careful as their IPs could be spoofed, you might end up blocking
innocent users.
> 3.) Install something like
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount and/or maybe
> use both captcha and some context-specific question (honestly: if
> users don't know how to answer some slightly more tricky question,
> they shouldn't be able to get the account). We could use questions
> like "Last name of president of ConTeXt User Group."
This could discourage people from fixing trivial stuff like
misspellings. Maybe add a note that they should drop a mail to
the list if they don’t know the answer.
Regards
Philipp
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* Re: [wiki] fake account spam
2013-04-06 14:53 ` Philipp Gesang
@ 2013-04-25 17:31 ` Sietse Brouwer
2013-04-25 17:46 ` Aditya Mahajan
2013-04-25 18:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Sietse Brouwer @ 2013-04-25 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Taco Hoekwater
Hi Taco,
We're getting 3-12 new accounts created per day. If nothing else,
they're cluttering up the recent changes list.
I think it's a good idea to update the security questions --- it's
easy to do, it'll probably work, and we can always move on to stronger
measures that require more work. Below are some replacemetn questions.
* If you have a log of which questions get answered correctly,
perhaps only rotate out the bad question(s);
* If finding the cracked questions is nontrivial (i.e. more work than
'just open the log file and see which ones get answered every day'),
just replace them all.
If this works, hooray; if it stops working, we can either change the
questions again (if the spammers took long to get through) or move on
to e.g. the ConfirmAccount extension [1,2] (if the questions got
cracked quickly, so we are getting 'human' attention from the spammer
instead of his bots).
[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[2] http://www.stargate-wiki.de/wiki/Spezial:Benutzerkonto_beantragen
Cheers,
Sietse
The proposed questions:
* What command indicates 'text starts here'? (Include the backslash.)
\starttext
* What command is used to setup the bodyfont? (Include the backslash.)
\setupbodyfont
* What is the last name (starts with K) of the man who created TeX?
Knuth
* What is the first name (7 letters, starts with H) of Mr Zapf?
Hermann
* How many letters does 'stoptext' contain? (Please type out the
number as a word.)
Eight
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* Re: [wiki] fake account spam
2013-04-25 17:31 ` Sietse Brouwer
@ 2013-04-25 17:46 ` Aditya Mahajan
2013-04-25 21:52 ` Sietse Brouwer
2013-04-25 18:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2013-04-25 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Taco Hoekwater
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013, Sietse Brouwer wrote:
> We're getting 3-12 new accounts created per day. If nothing else,
> they're cluttering up the recent changes list.
>
> I think it's a good idea to update the security questions --- it's
> easy to do, it'll probably work, and we can always move on to stronger
> measures that require more work. Below are some replacemetn questions.
>
> * If you have a log of which questions get answered correctly,
> perhaps only rotate out the bad question(s);
> * If finding the cracked questions is nontrivial (i.e. more work than
> 'just open the log file and see which ones get answered every day'),
> just replace them all.
>
> If this works, hooray; if it stops working, we can either change the
> questions again (if the spammers took long to get through) or move on
> to e.g. the ConfirmAccount extension [1,2] (if the questions got
> cracked quickly, so we are getting 'human' attention from the spammer
> instead of his bots).
Confirm account means that a new user will not be able to quickly correct
typos etc. Isn't there a simple way to add a captcha to mediawiki. I am
not a big fan of Captchas, but the are the de facto standard for human
verification. A user only has to do it once, so it is not too big of an
annoyance either.
Aditya
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* Re: [wiki] fake account spam
2013-04-25 17:31 ` Sietse Brouwer
2013-04-25 17:46 ` Aditya Mahajan
@ 2013-04-25 18:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2013-04-25 21:07 ` Alan BRASLAU
2013-04-26 6:31 ` Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2013-04-25 18:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 04/25/2013 07:31 PM, Sietse Brouwer wrote:
> Hi Taco,
>
> We're getting 3-12 new accounts created per day. If nothing else,
> they're cluttering up the recent changes list.
>
> I think it's a good idea to update the security questions --- it's
> easy to do, it'll probably work, and we can always move on to stronger
> measures that require more work. Below are some replacemetn questions.
Yes, I had already contacted Mojca a couple of weeks ago. I think we
should demand that all questions be answered in Dutch. Every serious
ConTeXter has to know some Dutch, and nothing better than asking "What
is the ConTeXt keyword for a two-sided layout" and expecting
"dubbelzijdig" as an answer. If that doesn't help, we make them
pronounce it...
Thomas
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* Re: [wiki] fake account spam
2013-04-25 18:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2013-04-25 21:07 ` Alan BRASLAU
2013-04-26 6:31 ` Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
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From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2013-04-25 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:19:41 +0200
"Thomas A. Schmitz" <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> I think we
> should demand that all questions be answered in Dutch. Every serious
> ConTeXter has to know some Dutch, and nothing better than asking
> "What is the ConTeXt keyword for a two-sided layout" and expecting
> "dubbelzijdig" as an answer. If that doesn't help, we make them
> pronounce it...
++
(One can always look in mult-def.lua in order to cheat, but this won't
help me with the pronounciation)
Alan
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* Re: [wiki] fake account spam
2013-04-25 18:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2013-04-25 21:07 ` Alan BRASLAU
@ 2013-04-26 6:31 ` Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
2013-04-26 6:55 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. @ 2013-04-26 6:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hello,
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:19:41 +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> On 04/25/2013 07:31 PM, Sietse Brouwer wrote:
>> Hi Taco,
>> I think it's a good idea to update the security questions --- it's
>> easy to do, it'll probably work, and we can always move on to stronger
>> measures that require more work. Below are some replacemetn questions.
>
> Yes, I had already contacted Mojca a couple of weeks ago. I think we
> should demand that all questions be answered in Dutch. Every serious
> ConTeXter has to know some Dutch,
even though I consider myself a serious Ctx user, Dutch is still Greek to me.
> and nothing better than asking "What
> is the ConTeXt keyword for a two-sided layout" and expecting
> "dubbelzijdig" as an answer.
Goggle translator would help in this case (http://translate.google.com/#en/nl/doublesided);
but having a "more complicated keyword/option" may mean a unanswered/unanswerable question...
How about to prompt the user to encode a displayed math, e.g. "b/a2^3" to be answered "$\frac{b}{a_2^3}$"?
Best regards,
Lukas
> If that doesn't help, we make them
> pronounce it...
>
> Thomas
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2013-04-26 6:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 04/26/2013 08:31 AM, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:
>
> even though I consider myself a serious Ctx user, Dutch is still Greek
> to me.
> How about to prompt the user to encode a displayed math, e.g. "b/a2^3"
> to be answered "$\frac{b}{a_2^3}$"?
>
Well, in that case, I'd actually prefer Greek - "write line 222 of book
2 of the Odyssey in its original Greek," or something like that...
Seriously, I guess I'm not alone when I say I never use math.
But I agree something has to be done...
Thomas
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2013-04-26 6:55 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2013-04-26 7:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
Currently we are using QuestyCaptcha w/ ConfirmEdit. This is definitely supposed to be safer
than bitmap images unless the images become so complex that even humans get it wrong,
which has happened for me on various sites and is the most annoying thing in, like, ever!
I do not mind adding new questions and/or replacing all of them, but it is a bad idea to send
the new ones to the mailing list, since somehow a spamnet seems to have found the answers
and I doubt that they actually went to the trouble of looking up the answers on pragma-ade.com
(but then again, weirder stuff has happened).
For now, I will quickly invent some of my own questions.
Best wishes,
Taco
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2013-04-26 6:55 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2013-04-26 8:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: thomas.schmitz; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:55:52 +0200
"Thomas A. Schmitz" <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> Well, in that case, I'd actually prefer Greek - "write line 222 of book
> 2 of the Odyssey in its original Greek," or something like that...
That's too easy:
σῆμά τέ οἱ χεύω καὶ ἐπὶ κτέρεα κτερεΐξω
:)
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