Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hi,

in TL 2013 neither \setupbodyfont[lucida] nor \setupbodyfont[lucidanova] works.

The first one gives:

!LuaTeX error: Invalid local font in font lbr!

 ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

and the other one complains about

! Math error: parameter \Umathquad\displaystyle is not set.

(I've set "export TEXMFLOCAL=/path/to/texmf/with/both/lucidas".)

When trying the same with latest distribution I get

! LuaTeX error .../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-act.lua:101:
attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'size' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
.../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-act.lua:101: in
function 'mathematics_checkprivateparameters'
[string "local mathematics_initializeparameters = math..."]:10: in
function 'runner'
.../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-act.lua:39: in
function 'assignmathparameters'
.../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:917: in
function <.../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:537>
(...tail calls...)
.../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-def.lua:423: in
function 'read'
.../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:947: in
function 'definefont_two'
[string "\directlua "]:1: in main chunk.

system          > tex > error on line 52 in file
/Users/mojca/context/gnuplot/mojca/texmf/doc/context/third/gnuplot/gnuplot-context-doc.tex:
LuaTeX error  ...

and with lucidanova I get the same error as in TeX Live.

I'm using \sometxt{} inside metapost code to draw labels, so maybe
that's connected.

Mojca
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Re: Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[Mojca Miklavec]

I'm sorry. I was pointing TEXMFLOCAL to the wrong (older) version of
fonts without OT in the filename.

However, the Type1 fonts still don't work.

Mojca

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in TL 2013 neither \setupbodyfont[lucida] nor \setupbodyfont[lucidanova] works.
>
> The first one gives:
>
> !LuaTeX error: Invalid local font in font lbr!
>
>  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
>
> and the other one complains about
>
> ! Math error: parameter \Umathquad\displaystyle is not set.
>
> (I've set "export TEXMFLOCAL=/path/to/texmf/with/both/lucidas".)
>
> When trying the same with latest distribution I get
>
> ! LuaTeX error .../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-act.lua:101:
> attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'size' (a nil value)
> stack traceback:
> .../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-act.lua:101: in
> function 'mathematics_checkprivateparameters'
> [string "local mathematics_initializeparameters = math..."]:10: in
> function 'runner'
> .../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-act.lua:39: in
> function 'assignmathparameters'
> .../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:917: in
> function <.../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:537>
> (...tail calls...)
> .../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-def.lua:423: in
> function 'read'
> .../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:947: in
> function 'definefont_two'
> [string "\directlua "]:1: in main chunk.
>
> system          > tex > error on line 52 in file
> /Users/mojca/context/gnuplot/mojca/texmf/doc/context/third/gnuplot/gnuplot-context-doc.tex:
> LuaTeX error  ...
>
> and with lucidanova I get the same error as in TeX Live.
>
> I'm using \sometxt{} inside metapost code to draw labels, so maybe
> that's connected.
>
> Mojca
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Re: Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/19/2013 1:31 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in TL 2013 neither \setupbodyfont[lucida] nor \setupbodyfont[lucidanova] works.
>
> The first one gives:
>
> !LuaTeX error: Invalid local font in font lbr!
>
>   ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
>
> and the other one complains about
>
> ! Math error: parameter \Umathquad\displaystyle is not set.

normally that means that the font is not found

> (I've set "export TEXMFLOCAL=/path/to/texmf/with/both/lucidas".)
>
> When trying the same with latest distribution I get
>
> ! LuaTeX error .../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-act.lua:101:
> attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'size' (a nil value)
> stack traceback:

i can intercept that one

> ..../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-act.lua:101: in
> function 'mathematics_checkprivateparameters'
> [string "local mathematics_initializeparameters = math..."]:10: in
> function 'runner'
> ..../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-act.lua:39: in
> function 'assignmathparameters'
> ..../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:917: in
> function <.../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:537>
> (...tail calls...)
> ..../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-def.lua:423: in
> function 'read'
> ..../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:947: in
> function 'definefont_two'
> [string "\directlua "]:1: in main chunk.
>
> system          > tex > error on line 52 in file
> /Users/mojca/context/gnuplot/mojca/texmf/doc/context/third/gnuplot/gnuplot-context-doc.tex:
> LuaTeX error  ...
>
> and with lucidanova I get the same error as in TeX Live.
>
> I'm using \sometxt{} inside metapost code to draw labels, so maybe
> that's connected.

minimal example ...

tex processing doesn't happen in mp so an error means that at the tex 
end there is an issue

Hans

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Re: Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/19/2013 2:04 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> I'm sorry. I was pointing TEXMFLOCAL to the wrong (older) version of
> fonts without OT in the filename.
>
> However, the Type1 fonts still don't work.

Did we change something with the type 1? In mkiv ... we probably never 
finished the mappings ... waste of time now that we have otf.

Hans

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Re: Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[Troy Henderson]

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>
> Did we change something with the type 1? In mkiv ... we probably never
> finished the mappings ... waste of time now that we have otf.


This makes me believe that I will eventually HAVE to purchase (and by
"purchase" I really mean "re-purchase) the OTF versions in order to use my
Lucida fonts.  This is a bit discouraging.

Troy

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Re: Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[Khaled Hosny]

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:12:48AM -0500, Troy Henderson wrote:
> >
> > Did we change something with the type 1? In mkiv ... we probably never
> > finished the mappings ... waste of time now that we have otf.
> 
> 
> This makes me believe that I will eventually HAVE to purchase (and by
> "purchase" I really mean "re-purchase) the OTF versions in order to use my
> Lucida fonts.  This is a bit discouraging.

Given the amount of re-work that went into Lucida OT, a re-purchase is
justified ;)

Regards,
Khaled
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Re: Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[Troy Henderson]

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> Given the amount of re-work that went into Lucida OT, a re-purchase is
> justified ;)
>

That all depends on how it is being used.  I'm not sure what advantage the
OT version of the font would have to me over the Type1 version.  If a
reasonable justification could convince me, then I might agree.

Troy

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Re: Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/19/2013 4:12 PM, Troy Henderson wrote:
>     Did we change something with the type 1? In mkiv ... we probably
>     never finished the mappings ... waste of time now that we have otf.
>
> This makes me believe that I will eventually HAVE to purchase (and by
> "purchase" I really mean "re-purchase) the OTF versions in order to use
> my Lucida fonts.  This is a bit discouraging.

The problem is that in mkiv we make a virtual unicode font on the fly 
and for that we need vectors and lucida has a bad history: when I 
started supporting it, we coul duse the original B&H / Y&Y vectors but 
when tug took over, these were dropped in favor of some latex encoding. 
So, in mkii it does work, but you need the original tfm files. In mkiv 
we need special vectors as well because lucida's internal mapping is 
still non-tex and someone has to do all that checking. Now, given that 
we have proper otf fonts (relatively cheap for a font as tug paid for 
conversion) it makes no sense in mkiv to spent time on the old fonts (1: 
I don't use them, 2: I have no fun in doing that, 3: Nor time, 4: we 
have an alternative).

Keep in mind that a virtual type1 based lucida is never as good and 
complete as the newer otf.

Concerning 'repurchase' .. the lucida set is a bargain, definitely if 
you compare it to other fonts in that quantities. Of course you can also 
consider xits, pagella, termes etc

Hans

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Re: Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/19/2013 4:35 PM, Troy Henderson wrote:
>     Given the amount of re-work that went into Lucida OT, a re-purchase is
>     justified ;)
>
>
> That all depends on how it is being used.  I'm not sure what advantage
> the OT version of the font would have to me over the Type1 version.  If
> a reasonable justification could convince me, then I might agree.

- kerning, corrections etc etc across the whole font (multiple type 1 
fonts are isolated)

- more and improved glyphs, more alphabets

- more extensive latin support + precomposed

- alternate shapes

- more advanced extensibles

- more efficient pdf files

- cut and paste from pdf

- cleaner implementation at the tex end

- all benefits that come with mkiv

Hans
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Re: Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[George N. White III]

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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Troy Henderson <thenders@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Did we change something with the type 1? In mkiv ... we probably never
>> finished the mappings ... waste of time now that we have otf.
>
>
> This makes me believe that I will eventually HAVE to purchase (and by
> "purchase" I really mean "re-purchase) the OTF versions in order to use my
> Lucida fonts.  This is a bit discouraging.
>
> Troy
>

We just purchased the OTF versions.  I'd rather have TeX developers focus
on getting OTF support right than preserving legacy capabilities.  For
years we have been able to format old docs with current TeX systems.   Now
I just
hope the old docs will work without too many changes using OTF versions of
the fonts.





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Re: Lucida doesn't work in TL 2013 / latest ConTeXt

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/19/2013 8:16 PM, George N. White III wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Troy Henderson <thenders@gmail.com
> <mailto:thenders@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Did we change something with the type 1? In mkiv ... we probably
>         never finished the mappings ... waste of time now that we have otf.
>
>
>     This makes me believe that I will eventually HAVE to purchase (and
>     by "purchase" I really mean "re-purchase) the OTF versions in order
>     to use my Lucida fonts.  This is a bit discouraging.

Of course Troy could complete the existing lucida mkiv vectors in 
lucida-typeone-math.lfg -)

>     Troy
>
>
> We just purchased the OTF versions.  I'd rather have TeX developers
> focus on getting OTF support right than preserving legacy capabilities.

In luatex we're 'mostly' compatible with the old tex engine but as 
opentype math support is more advanced, the focus is on supporting that 
as good as possible. Also, as opentype math originates at MS/word with 
cambria as benchmark that's mostly setting the baseline.

Of course, in context mkiv we can go a bit beyond that (and there is 
already some in place). We can also

>   For years we have been able to format old docs with current TeX
> systems.   Now I just
> hope the old docs will work without too many changes using OTF versions
> of the fonts.

In principle regular math should work ok. At some point we might benefit 
from the opening up of math parameters (quite some was hard coded in the 
traditional tex engine, much has been moved to the font parameters and 
luatex also provides more control).

Some constructs (like radicals and accents) are more native now and less 
depend on macro magic.

There will never be full visual compatibility, if only because open type 
doesn't have the (dimensional) limits of tfm (that made sense at the 
time).

Hans

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