From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/82101 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Adobe Garamond Problems with letter combination "fi" Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:18:27 +0200 Message-ID: <517A3853.3060500@wxs.nl> References: <51779A39.7050500@mmnetz.de> <9800EA92-858D-426E-A9AC-F8C0FD29E6AA@gmail.com> <5B0920D4-0441-4D2E-BC5F-1A1290662454@web.de> <5178D398.7050209@uni-bonn.de> <8D07355B-7A3D-4CB2-B164-C326610D5928@web.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366964340 3962 80.91.229.3 (26 Apr 2013 08:19:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:19:00 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Apr 26 10:19:04 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UVdrt-0004nF-9P for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:18:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA36D101E9; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:18:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id zMQyZ4Hv0aFh; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:18:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA066101E5; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:18:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81335101E5 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:18:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id qnWtMMXGyJEI for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:18:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter5-til.mf.surf.net (filter5-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.221]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FC0101E4 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter5-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r3Q8Ioku017804 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:18:51 +0200 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.100; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 6.3c2) with ESMTP (TLS) id 609-1713362 for multiple; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:18:49 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 In-Reply-To: <8D07355B-7A3D-4CB2-B164-C326610D5928@web.de> X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=15; city=Zwolle; latitude=52.5058; longitude=6.0858; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.5058,6.0858&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0WJswiPpz - 5e9d7e429ed6 - 20130426 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.221 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:82101 Archived-At: On 4/26/2013 9:41 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > > Am 25.04.2013 um 08:56 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz : > >> On 04/25/2013 08:20 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: >>> First I think it better if ligatures should be off as a default. >> >> Then you should not be using any form of TeX. ligatures have been part of TeX since its invention (TeXbook, p. 4), and they have been part of fine typesetting since Gutenberg. It's a sad consequence of the advent of abominations like Microsoft Word that people consider them superfluous. > I use XeLaTeX and ConText for it control. I have not touched Word in decades, if possible > or any other WYSIWYG- system! > That being said, take a look at the books printed in this day and age. You will find that > the use ligatures are not that common. > For me the fi-ligature, is estranging, as well as other while reading. Others I find very pleasing. > I do not want to discuss esthetics. I was just expressing my opinion. If the engross of ConText > users want ligatures as default that is fine with me. > On the other side, I believe, ligatures of off by default in LaTeX, et al. or at least are feature > is set when the font is loaded. I don't know, but as has been said, the defaults in context sort of fit in the expectations. We even have some traditional pseudo ligatures like -- and --- implemented, also because users expect them. Anyhow, if you put \definefontfeature[default][default][liga=no] in your local cont-sys.mkiv file you will have them off by default. There are multiple categories of ligatures. 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