From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/82125 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Thomas A. Schmitz" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Adobe Garamond Problems with letter combination "fi" Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:43:59 +0200 Message-ID: <517AAECF.1050902@uni-bonn.de> References: <51779A39.7050500@mmnetz.de> <9800EA92-858D-426E-A9AC-F8C0FD29E6AA@gmail.com> <5B0920D4-0441-4D2E-BC5F-1A1290662454@web.de> <5178D398.7050209@uni-bonn.de> <8D07355B-7A3D-4CB2-B164-C326610D5928@web.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366994646 16911 80.91.229.3 (26 Apr 2013 16:44:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:44:06 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Apr 26 18:44:08 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UVlkk-0008Bz-R1 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:44:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2D81020D; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:44:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id qIAVvH9zdezI; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:44:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A31101E4; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:44:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E473101E4 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:44:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xytv8WJGmaFL for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:44:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter3-utr.mf.surf.net (filter3-utr.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.154]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13784101E0 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:44:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from uni-bonn.de (mail.uni-bonn.de [131.220.15.113]) by filter3-utr.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r3QGhxpD013716 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:44:00 +0200 Original-Received: from [87.178.57.221] (account tschmit1@uni-bonn.de HELO localhost.localdomain) by fe2.uni-bonn.de (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.9) with ESMTPSA id 43061106 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:43:59 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130402 Thunderbird/17.0.5 In-Reply-To: <8D07355B-7A3D-4CB2-B164-C326610D5928@web.de> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0937 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=131.220.15.113; country=DE; region=07; city=Bonn; latitude=50.7333; longitude=7.1000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=50.7333,7.1000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 08JsEHXCn - 02f642cb5154 - 20130426 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 195.169.124.154 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:82125 Archived-At: On 04/26/2013 09:41 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: > I use XeLaTeX and ConText for it control. I have not touched Word in decades, if possible > or any other WYSIWYG- system! > That being said, take a look at the books printed in this day and age. You will find that > the use ligatures are not that common. > For me the fi-ligature, is estranging, as well as other while reading. Others I find very pleasing. > I do not want to discuss esthetics. I was just expressing my opinion. If the engross of ConText > users want ligatures as default that is fine with me. > On the other side, I believe, ligatures of off by default in LaTeX, et al. or at least are feature > is set when the font is loaded. Hi Keith, if you look at the books of decent publishers, you will see that most of them still use ligatures (most American university presses, Oxford and Cambridge, German publishers such as Reclam etc.) However, many smaller publishers don't give a rat's ass about esthetics, and that's where Word comes into play: they have their authors deliver their manuscripts as Word files and simply typeset from that, more often than not by employing some underpaid and untrained "contractors" in India. Cuts costs and makes authors do all the work that publishers used to do in the olden days... Taking this as the norm is not a good idea. As to LaTeX: you're wrong, LaTeX is part of the TeX family as is ConTeXt and has ligatures. If you set up your fonts correctly in XeLaTeX, you get them. 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